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Then you didn't watch the video as he clearly stated every 4th eccentricity cycle is nearly circular which the last cycle was.

And then immediately after, he said the glaciation would arrive in 25000 years. You seem to be very selectively quoting the video.

I couldn't have been more clear.

Sure. It's very clear you're running from the actual science.

The geologic record is littered with examples of warming and cooling trends that were not cause by CO2 or orbital forcing.

Just as climate science has always said.

The only correlation between temperature and CO2 on a planetary scale that is known with any certainty is from the time before the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution CO2 was a proxy for temperature. This is a fact that no one disputes.

Except you. You made it a point to dispute your own argument there by raving that the current correlation isn't a causation.

Since that time man's emissions have broken the correlation between temperature and CO2.

Then why are you so hysterical about saying that correlation isn't causation?

Anyways, you've got it all wrong. CO2 and temperature have been correlated very well since the industrial revolution.

We know this with 100% certainty because we are 2C cooler than in the past with 120 ppm more CO2.

And if anyone ever said CO2 was the only thing affecting climate, that would matter. Since no one has said that, it means you're just making up a dopey strawman.

 

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And then immediately after, he said the glaciation would arrive in 25000 years. You seem to be very selectively quoting the video.

The planet is in a long, stable low eccentricity phase. What he said after that was that the climate models predict another 25,000 to 50,000 years of an INTERGLACIAL PHASE. Which is the exact opposite of what you have been saying.

Sure. It's very clear you're running from the actual science.

The planet is not heading into another glacial cycle (ice age is imprecise language) like you claimed. So your argument that the earth was slowly cooling towards another ice age isn't correct.

Correlation does not prove causation. The geologic record is littered with examples of warming and cooling trends that were not cause by CO2 or orbital forcing. The only correlation between temperature and CO2 on a planetary scale that is known with any certainty is from the time before the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution CO2 was a proxy for temperature. This is a fact that no one disputes. Since that time man's emissions have broken the correlation between temperature and CO2. We know this with 100% certainty because we are 2C cooler than in the past with 120 ppm more CO2.

The native state of our planet with its current land mass and ocean configuration is to cool. They have mistakenly correlated the recent warming trend to CO2 despite the geologic record being littered with warming and cooling trends that were not caused by CO2 or orbital forcing. Arguing that there can be no other causes for the recent warming trend is disingenuous. The geologic record is littered with examples. This is especially true ever since the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet 3 million years ago. Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainties are hallmarks of our bipolar glaciated world which has different glaciation thresholds at each pole.

Just as climate science has always said.

And yet they tune their climate models to tune out natural climate variations.

Except you. You make it a point to dispute your own argument there by saying CO2 is currently correlated with temperature.

Incorrect. I said.... The only correlation between temperature and CO2 on a planetary scale that is known with any certainty is from the time before the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution CO2 was a proxy for temperature. This is a fact that no one disputes. Since that time man's emissions have broken the correlation between temperature and CO2. We know this with 100% certainty because we are 2C cooler than in the past with 120 ppm more CO2.

Then why are you so hysterical about saying that correlation isn't causation?

Anyways, you've got it all wrong. CO2 and temperature have been correlated very well since the industrial revolution.

Because idiots like you keep trying to argue correlation is proof of causation. The only correlation between temperature and CO2 on a planetary scale that is known with any certainty is from the time before the industrial revolution. Prior to the industrial revolution CO2 was a proxy for temperature. This is a fact that no one disputes. Since that time man's emissions have broken the correlation between temperature and CO2. We know this with 100% certainty because we are 2C cooler than in the past with 120 ppm more CO2.

And if anyone ever said CO2 was the only thing affecting climate, that would matter. Since no one has said that, it means you're just making up a dopey strawman.

According to the radiative forcing components they use in their models, CO2 is literally the only component that can cause warming or cooling.

 

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The earth was very slowly cooling into the next ice age, until we changed that to fast warming.

Would you like to retract this statement now?

 

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Glacial cycles are typically not entered into gradually.

 

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"It is commonly understood among academics that deaths from cold weather outweigh deaths from heat — by a sizable number. A recent study in The Lancet determined that each year cold kills about 4.5 million people, while about 600,000 die from the heat.

Moreover, when the researchers of The Lancet study assessed increased mortality from increased heat (about a half a degree per decade), there were about 116,000 more heat deaths each year and about 283,000 fewer cold deaths each year. As a practical matter, that means the temperature increase experienced since 2000 has resulted in 166,000 fewer weather-related deaths each year worldwide."

Whooooda Thunkit?

Facts of life and climate change

The Associated Press ran a headline a few days ago: “U.S. to plant a billion trees as climate change kills forests.”

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CO2 is just one of several "limiting" nutrients. Based on atmospheric CO2 levels we should be seeing explosive plant growth across the globe. We don't.

Too much CO2 will kill plants just as it will humans and wildlife. We are nowhere near that level on planet Earth except around certain geophysical phenomena such as preceding volcanic eruptions and such. But plant life does flourish when more normal levels of CO2 increase and that has been the case for some time now on Planet Earth.

Study: Global plant growth surging alongside carbon dioxide

A trace gas present in the atmosphere in miniscule amounts is helping scientists answer one of the biggest questions out there: Has plant growth increased alongside rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere? It turns out the answer is Yes – in a big way. A new study published in the...

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