War Crimes for Trump and Hegseth?

[kyzr]

Gestapo Barbie lies all the time.
Once more, if 2 million "self-deported", how come only 35,000 used the DHS App and collected their free ticket and $1000.00?

Numbers in the 2nd article are 1.6m self-deported and 600,000 were deported by ICE

If they "self-deported", how did they get out of the country? They didn't have papers to board an airplane, and they certainly couldn't have crossed the Southern border now that it has been "Sealed".

They were flown out of the country, ICE or CBP got them on the planes, or they were taken to the border on busses and tossed over the fence.

 

[kyzr]

A cording to Noem. How the **** would she know?

Its her ******* job to know.

 

[Lesh]

Its her ******* job to know.

She’s a ******* liar

 

[Crepitus]

 

[JoeB131]

Numbers in the 2nd article are 1.6m self-deported and 600,000 were deported by ICE

Yeah, that's what ICE claims, but where's the proof.

Going to ask again, if 1.6, 2.0, or 2.6MM Self-deported, why did only 35,000 use the App and collect the $1000.00?
How did they get out if they couldn't legally board an international flight, and the Southern Border is supposedly sealed up? Do you think Mexico was going to let 2.6 million people in that they can't feed?

Oh, yeah, and the actual deportations were only 350,000 in FY20205.

I'm sorry you lack critical thinking skills.

But hey, if Trump can claim Biden let in an imaginary 10 million, I guess he can claim an imaginary 2 million "Self-Deported" with fairy wings.

They were flown out of the country, ICE or CBP got them on the planes, or they were taken to the border on busses and tossed over the fence.

No, those are official deportations, which only numbered 350,000 in FY2025.

Deporting someone is actually not that easy. You have to get their home country or Mexico to agree to take them.

Mexico doesn't want their own citizens back, much less other countries.

 

[Polishprince]

The madness of going to war with Venezuela

Trump's saber-rattling on Venezuela is reaching disturbing new highs, and any action could cause chaos in the region.

www.ms.now

Trump and Hegseth have both called for and been in favor of killing the occupants of Venezuelan boats in international waters, that they claim carries drugs headed to America. Hegseth has gone so far as to say that survivors of the attacks should not be rescued but should be killed.

It is painfully obvious that neither Trump or his "Secretary of War" or his DOJ are students of history. For if they were they would realize that in the Nuremberg Trials after WWII, Hitler's Admirable of the Nazi navy, Karl Doenitz, was charged for issuing instructions to his submarine commanders "No attempt must be made to rescue members of ships sunk, and this includes picking up persons in the water and putting them in lifeboats, righting capsized lifeboats, and handing over food and water. Rescue runs counter to the most elementary demands of warfare for the destruction of enemy ships and crews." (From "Justice at Nuremberg," by Robert E. Conot, 1983.)

I think that this action could well be included in the indictment of Trump in his Third Impeachment, after Democrats take over the Congress. And, after he resigns as Secretary of War at the end of Trump's term, Hegseth could well face war charges by a civilian court (if he is not recalled to the military to face a General Courts Martial!)

Bigly!!!

B. Hussein O bragged that he sent teams to kill suspected terrorists including Qaddafi and Osama Ladin. Yet you libs have no problem with that.


BTW. President Trump has been very good at keeping these kinds of things under control, and avoiding having them breaking out into a full blown war. Libs hated the fact, ex. given, that Trump took out Iran's nukes successfully, stabilizing that region.

 

[Lesh]

B. Hussein O bragged that he sent teams to kill suspected terrorists including Qaddafi and Osama Ladin. Yet you libs have no problem with that.


BTW. President Trump has been very good at keeping these kinds of things under control, and avoiding having them breaking out into a full blown war. Libs hated the fact, ex. given, that Trump took out Iran's nukes successfully, stabilizing that region.

You have a problem with taking out Osama?

By the way… he wasn’t a drug dealer

He was an actual terrorist

 

[Polishprince]

You have a problem with taking out Osama?

By the way… he wasn’t a drug dealer

He was an actual terrorist

I have no problem with taking out Osama.

But why do you have a problem with taking out the dope pushers who are killing thousands of Americans EVERY single day?

BTW, Tren de Aragua was declared to be an official terrorist organization by the Federal Government.

 

[JohnDB]

Correct. Launching a rocket attack on an overturned boat, with survivors, totally out of the fight (if they were ever in one) is Totally against military regulation, Rules of Armed Conflict and the Second Geneva Convention specifically addressing protection of wounded, sick, and shipwrecked members of armed forces at sea during international armed conflicts. To do other wise is prosecutable, same as we did the Nazis, before sentencing to death and executed by firing squad, after World War II. The rules and laws have not changed, only the side the criminals carry out orders for.

UNCLOS Articles 92, 94, 110, and customary maritime law spell out the consequences clearly:

1. Stateless vessels have no sovereign protection. A flagged ship is an extension of its flag-state’s sovereignty. A stateless vessel is not. This matters because “war crimes” presuppose protected persons or protected property. A stateless vessel is legally unprotected.

2. Any state may stop, board, search, seize, or disable, a stateless vessel. UNCLOS Article 110 explicitly authorizes boarding and seizure. The law does not require states to risk their own personnel or assets while doing so. Disabling a vessel that refuses inspection, including firing on it, is legally permitted under both UNCLOS and long-established state practice.

3. War crimes require an armed conflict. You cannot commit a “war crime” outside an armed conflict. War crimes occur only within the context of international humanitarian law (IHL). Enforcing maritime law against a stateless vessel is a law enforcement action, not an IHL situation.
No armed conflict = no war crime possible.

4. Lethal force may be used when a vessel refuses lawful orders. The International Maritime Organization’s “Use of Force” guidance for maritime interdiction recognizes that disabling fire, even lethal force, is lawful when a vessel refuses lawful boarding, attempts to flee, poses a threat, or engages in illicit activities such as piracy or narcotics trafficking.
Once again: law enforcement rules apply, not IHL.

5. Sinking a stateless vessel is not prohibited by UNCLOS. UNCLOS permits seizure of a stateless vessel and leaves the means entirely to the enforcing state so long as necessity and proportionality are respected. If the vessel flees, attacks, or refuses lawful commands, sinking it is legally permissible. Many states routinely do this to drug-smuggling vessels (e.g., semi-submersibles) without it ever being treated as a war crime.

6. No flag = no jurisdictional shield. The entire reason international law requires ships to fly a flag is to prevent this exact situation. Flagless vessels are legally vulnerable by design.
Because a stateless vessel has no protected status, because UNCLOS authorizes interdiction of such vessels, because lethal force may be used in maritime law enforcement when necessary, and because war crimes require an armed conflict that is not present here, sinking an unflagged ship in international waters is not a war crime.

 

[Lesh]

I have no problem with taking out Osama.

But why do you have a problem with taking out the dope pushers who are killing thousands of Americans EVERY single day?

BTW, Tren de Aragua was declared to be an official terrorist organization by the Federal Government.

A. Drug smuggling is not a capital crime. Even less so if the drugs are destined elsewhere

B. There is no evidence that these people are TDA

In fact at least one was a Colombian and his wife claimed he was simply a fisherman

 

[Polishprince]

A. Drug smuggling is not a capital crime. Even less so if the drugs are destined elsewhere

B. There is no evidence that these people are TDA

In fact at least one was a Colombian and his wife claimed he was simply a fisherman

Drug smuggling is a predicate felony for Felony Murder, which is a capital crime. People are dying.


As far as some fellow's wife saying he was "simply a fisherman" is just convenient. The wives of many mafioso stuck by the story that their capo spouses were "simply olive oil peddlers" as well.


BTW, I know all about Columbian drug peddlers.

 

[JoeB131]

I have no problem with taking out Osama.

But why do you have a problem with taking out the dope pushers who are killing thousands of Americans EVERY single day?

BTW, Tren de Aragua was declared to be an official terrorist organization by the Federal Government.

Except there's no link between Trende Arugua and the Venezuelan government. Quite the contrary, they are trying to stamp it out.

Dope pushers aren't killing anyone. If you take drugs, you are essentially committing suicide of your own free will. Otherwise, we might as well hold gunmakers responsible for the 23,000 gun suicides.

Stop Drinking the Bleach.

 

[JoeB131]

BTW, I know all about Columbian drug peddlers.

Then why aren't we going to war with Colombia or Mexico?

Oh, it's spelled "Colombian", not "Columbian".

 

[Hafar1014]

Except there's no link between Trende Arugua and the Venezuelan government. Quite the contrary, they are trying to stamp it out.

Dope pushers aren't killing anyone. If you take drugs, you are essentially committing suicide of your own free will. Otherwise, we might as well hold gunmakers responsible for the 23,000 gun suicides.

Stop Drinking the Bleach.

Venezuela is an open door for Cuba China and Russia to take control of south and central America. Drug sales fund much of the terror in this e=area s well as all over the world. Democrats as usual have no idea and dont care abut the threat of the Americans killed by these drugs. So Trump does something about it and is successful showing America democrats are incompetent. Their response impeach him, he is killing helpless fishermen, war crimes blah blah blah.

 

[struth]

Except the inflation was hardly runaway, and one of the contributing factors was that workers were being paid more. But you leave that one out.

Opioid deaths started rising under Trump. Biden is the one who started getting it under control.

Biden deported more people than Trump did. (and despite terrorizing people of color, Trump is falling way short of his deportation goals.

25 percent inflation is run away!

pay didn't keep up with inflation! It followed it

That's the xiden, demafacist plan, and that's why they left a majority of Americans worse off after they left office...first time that ever happened since that poll was started.

Congrats.....

 

[kyzr]

She’s a ******* liar

Prove Noem is a liar.

 

[Lesh]

25 percent inflation is run away!

pay didn't keep up with inflation! It followed it

That's the xiden, demafacist plan, and that's why they left a majority of Americans worse off after they left office...first time that ever happened since that poll was started.

Congrats.....

How stupid are you? Yearly 25% inflation?

Moron

 

[struth]

How stupid are you? Yearly 25% inflation?

Moron

I never said yearly, I said 25 percent inflation.....which was the cost of four years of Xiden.

How stupid are you? Wait, you have shown us daily.

 

[Lesh]

I never said yearly, I said 25 percent inflation.....which was the cost of four years of Xiden.

How stupid are you? Wait, you have shown us daily.

Three of those years had inflation pretty much what we have now.

Trying to conflate one high year with four years is dishonest

You’re not dishonest are ya?

Oh wait…

 

[kyzr]

Yeah, that's what ICE claims, but where's the proof. Going to ask again, if 1.6, 2.0, or 2.6MM Self-deported, why did only 35,000 use the App and collect the $1000.00?

ICE has not officially reported how many have used the app. So that 35,000 is suspect.

How did they get out if they couldn't legally board an international flight, and the Southern Border is supposedly sealed up? Do you think Mexico was going to let 2.6 million people in that they can't feed?

ICE/DHS/CBP can get them on planes to their country of origin, duh.

Oh, yeah, and the actual deportations were only 350,000 in FY2025. I'm sorry you lack critical thinking skills.
But hey, if Trump can claim Biden let in an imaginary 10 million, I guess he can claim an imaginary 2 million "Self-Deported" with fairy wings. Deporting someone is actually not that easy. You have to get their home country or Mexico to agree to take them. Mexico doesn't want their own citizens back, much less other countries.

You type stuff with no proof. I have an official link that says 2m illegals were deported or self-deported under Trump.

New Milestone: Over 2 Million Illegal Aliens Out of the United States in Less Than 250 Days | Homeland Security

DHS announced that 2 million illegal aliens have been removed or have self-deported since January 20.

www.dhs.gov