War and Peace With The Indians

[PoliticalChic]

1. Why 'Indians,' and not 'Native Americans'?

Because Indians were no more indigenous to America than Europeans were: they just got here a bit sooner.

The latter name fall under the heading 'propaganda.'




2. There are sooooo many myths propagated by government schools, some for good reasons (Washington and the cherry tree) ...some for innocuous (makes things fun).....some to advance propaganda.
In the last category we find myths that defame the settler and colonists as a proxy for defaming America an Americans.

That's what the Left does.....destroys student's love of this nation.

Today...March 22nd....a kind of an anniversary.........sort of.


3. First....there are the good times.....

Remember Samoset....the English speaking Abenaki Indian who met the Pilgrims?
March 22, 1621 Samoset returns to the Plymouth Colony to introduce Massasoit and his brother Quadequina, leaders of the Pkanoket Indians and a peace and mutual defense treaty was signed.

Of course, peaceful coexistence with Indians was a some-time thing.



4. .... not all the time, and not everywhere...March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


5. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with the Narragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


6. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This material doesn't fit the" horrible white man kill native Americans' template, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

And, more of the history hidden by government schools....



7. "....in September, 1874, Catherine German and her family had been moving up the Smoky Hill River in western Kansas with everything they owned in the back of a covered wagon. The Germans, originally from Georgia, were bound for Colorado and a fresh start. Just moments after breaking camp that morning, the family was surprised by Indians. Within minutes the wagon was in flames, the mother, father, and two children were dead and scalped, and four daughters — Catherine, aged 17, Sophia, 12, and little Julia and Addie, aged 7 and 5 respectively — were carried off into captivity.

Catherine’s story is not a pretty one to relate.

There are no Harlequin Romance endings here; no Dances With Wolves Hollywood nonsense; no silly sentimentality. Catherine was raped repeatedly during her captivity, as was her sister, Sophia; both were traded back and forth from one brave to the next; both were transformed into tribal prostitutes, their worth measured in horses. Each time the frail young women were forced to fetch wood or water for their respective lodges, each trembled in fear for each could expect to be raped as many as six times per trip.

[Hmmmmm.....brings to mind a contemporary savage culture.....]


Although the details surrounding Catherine’s rescue are a bit unusual, the conditions of her captivity are not. During the research for my book,Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865–1879

, I had a chance to study at random the ordeals of some dozen young women captured by Indians, including Catherine German and her sisters. With little variation, the accounts told the same sad story—rape, enslavement, brutality, beatings, abuse. For good reason I named their chapter in the book, “A Fate Worse Than Death.”
Thomas Goodrich, "A Fate Worse Than Death" | Counter-Currents Publishing

 

[Sunni Man]

The idea of the American Indian as a "Noble Savage" of the western plains was ingrained into the public by popular literature, and later film, from east coast writers of romantic fiction.

When in reality, the Plains Indians were some of the most savage and vicious people to ever walk the earth. ......

 

[PoliticalChic]

You know, Sunni....those are sort of my peeps you're speaking of....I missed out on the Bering land bridge....


Unfortunately....you're totally correct.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. Not all original settlers were English.

In the previous post, it was mentioned that those settlers were German.

Early colonists in America came from different European backgrounds....and there was a natural enmity between them.

Here's what is interesting:
What overcame that enmity was the hostility and savagery of the Indians.

1. When the experience of Indian war engulfed the mid-Atlantic, especially Pennsylvania, some of the many dissatisfactions that European colonists had felt toward one another would be trumped.
2. Despite the use of words and phrases like “Indian” and “white people,” modern racial thinking played no part in most groups’ views of each other…until the end of the American Revolution… [when] new rhetoric for decrying Indians was genuinely worth calling racist. p.xxi
3. [W]hite people in this period were nearly always depicted as suffering at Indians’ hands rather than triumphing over them, and if Europeans did not identify with, and move to mitigate this suffering, then they did not deserve to rule them: this served as a test first of Quaker’s, and then British rule in the middle colonies. This was an important source of the fundamental revolutionary idea of a sovereign people.
4. Quakers during the Seven Years’ War, and Loyalists and British people during the Revolution, would bear the brunt of accusations of caring too much for the Indians. "Our Savage Neighbors: How Indian War Transformed Early America," by Peter Silver

 

[PoliticalChic]

The European settlers were unaccustomed to the organized savagery....and they were petrified!


9. Attacks by French-allied Indians hit Pennsylvania in October 1755. Sixty to one hundred arrived beyond the settlements, and divided into smaller groups, which went into different valleys to reconnoiter. Each spy ”lay[ing] about a House some days & nights, watching like a wolf” to see ”the situation of the Houses, the number of people at Each House, the places the People most frequent, & to observe at each House where there is most men, or women.” The individual farmsteads they chose as targets were at last attacked in parallel by still smaller groups, each only big enough to kill or capture the number of people it was likely to meet. " Col. James Burd, “Pennsylvania Archives,” 199-104


a. Terrorism practiced by the Indians.
The brunt of these attacks fell on people who were outside doing field work. The attacks were manufactured to instill paralyzing fear- and they did.


b. In 1756,William Fleming gave an unrivaled account of life in one of these little attack groups. Delawares stormed the house of Fleming’s neighbor, a farmer named Hicks, and took one of the Hicks boys as prisoner. The Indians then went on to instill fear by having Fleming witness the Hicks boys’ murder: they bludgeoned the boy to the ground with a tomahawk, split open his head- pausing at this point, in “Sport…to imitate his expiring Agonies” – and scalped him, and continued “all over besmared with [Hicks’s] blood.”


c. Fleming wrote of watching while a youth from a neighboring family was taken by Indians while inside were “numerous Family of able young Men” and despite his “scream[ing] in a most piteous Manner for help,” his brothers made no attempt to help. A narrative of the sufferings and surprizing deliverances of William and Elizabeth Fleming [electron... | National Library of Australia

 

[Weatherman2020]

1. Why 'Indians,' and not 'Native Americans'?

Because Indians were no more indigenous to America than Europeans were: they just got here a bit sooner.

The latter name fall under the heading 'propaganda.'




2. There are sooooo many myths propagated by government schools, some for good reasons (Washington and the cherry tree) ...some for innocuous (makes things fun).....some to advance propaganda.
In the last category we find myths that defame the settler and colonists as a proxy for defaming America an Americans.

That's what the Left does.....destroys student's love of this nation.

Today...March 22nd....a kind of an anniversary.........sort of.


3. First....there are the good times.....

Remember Samoset....the English speaking Abenaki Indian who met the Pilgrims?
March 22, 1621 Samoset returns to the Plymouth Colony to introduce Massasoit and his brother Quadequina, leaders of the Pkanoket Indians and a peace and mutual defense treaty was signed.

Of course, peaceful coexistence with Indians was a some-time thing.



4. .... not all the time, and not everywhere...March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


5. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with the Narragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


6. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This material doesn't fit the" horrible white man kill native Americans' template, huh?

The other myth is Indians are environmentally friendly.
They had to flee their homes in the four corners area of the southwest because they wiped out all of the game.
Here locally the reservations burn tires, have loud motocross events in sensitive eco areas and shoot wildlife all the time.

 

[rightwinger]

1. Why 'Indians,' and not 'Native Americans'?

Because Indians were no more indigenous to America than Europeans were: they just got here a bit sooner.

The latter name fall under the heading 'propaganda.'




2. There are sooooo many myths propagated by government schools, some for good reasons (Washington and the cherry tree) ...some for innocuous (makes things fun).....some to advance propaganda.
In the last category we find myths that defame the settler and colonists as a proxy for defaming America an Americans.

That's what the Left does.....destroys student's love of this nation.

Today...March 22nd....a kind of an anniversary.........sort of.


3. First....there are the good times.....

Remember Samoset....the English speaking Abenaki Indian who met the Pilgrims?
March 22, 1621 Samoset returns to the Plymouth Colony to introduce Massasoit and his brother Quadequina, leaders of the Pkanoket Indians and a peace and mutual defense treaty was signed.

Of course, peaceful coexistence with Indians was a some-time thing.



4. .... not all the time, and not everywhere...March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


5. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with the Narragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


6. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This material doesn't fit the" horrible white man kill native Americans' template, huh?

Stupid Indians resisted the White man taking their lands

What were they thinking?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Why 'Indians,' and not 'Native Americans'?

Because Indians were no more indigenous to America than Europeans were: they just got here a bit sooner.

The latter name fall under the heading 'propaganda.'




2. There are sooooo many myths propagated by government schools, some for good reasons (Washington and the cherry tree) ...some for innocuous (makes things fun).....some to advance propaganda.
In the last category we find myths that defame the settler and colonists as a proxy for defaming America an Americans.

That's what the Left does.....destroys student's love of this nation.

Today...March 22nd....a kind of an anniversary.........sort of.


3. First....there are the good times.....

Remember Samoset....the English speaking Abenaki Indian who met the Pilgrims?
March 22, 1621 Samoset returns to the Plymouth Colony to introduce Massasoit and his brother Quadequina, leaders of the Pkanoket Indians and a peace and mutual defense treaty was signed.

Of course, peaceful coexistence with Indians was a some-time thing.



4. .... not all the time, and not everywhere...March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


5. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with the Narragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


6. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This material doesn't fit the" horrible white man kill native Americans' template, huh?

Stupid Indians resisted the White man taking their lands

What were they thinking?

Their lands???

You are certainly a dunce as well as a Leftist.


1. "The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property, and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guilt masquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


3. 1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



4. And because they had no concept of private property,Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.



Clearly, you are a grad of the Howard Zinn School of History.

 

[rightwinger]

1. Why 'Indians,' and not 'Native Americans'?

Because Indians were no more indigenous to America than Europeans were: they just got here a bit sooner.

The latter name fall under the heading 'propaganda.'




2. There are sooooo many myths propagated by government schools, some for good reasons (Washington and the cherry tree) ...some for innocuous (makes things fun).....some to advance propaganda.
In the last category we find myths that defame the settler and colonists as a proxy for defaming America an Americans.

That's what the Left does.....destroys student's love of this nation.

Today...March 22nd....a kind of an anniversary.........sort of.


3. First....there are the good times.....

Remember Samoset....the English speaking Abenaki Indian who met the Pilgrims?
March 22, 1621 Samoset returns to the Plymouth Colony to introduce Massasoit and his brother Quadequina, leaders of the Pkanoket Indians and a peace and mutual defense treaty was signed.

Of course, peaceful coexistence with Indians was a some-time thing.



4. .... not all the time, and not everywhere...March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


5. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with the Narragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


6. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This material doesn't fit the" horrible white man kill native Americans' template, huh?

Stupid Indians resisted the White man taking their lands

What were they thinking?

Their lands???

You are certainly a dunce as well as a Leftist.


1. "The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property, and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guilt masquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


3. 1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



4. And because they had no concept of private property,Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.



Clearly, you are a grad of the Howard Zinn School of History.

To an Indian, the idea of owning land was ridiculous
You did not own it, you belonged to it

In the spring, you moved to a location you could grow crops
In the fall you moved to where you could hunt or fish
In the winter you moved to where you could hunker down, kill some game

Why would anyone want to stay in the same location? You follow your food supply depending on the season
It was the white man who demanded you stay in one place

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Why 'Indians,' and not 'Native Americans'?

Because Indians were no more indigenous to America than Europeans were: they just got here a bit sooner.

The latter name fall under the heading 'propaganda.'




2. There are sooooo many myths propagated by government schools, some for good reasons (Washington and the cherry tree) ...some for innocuous (makes things fun).....some to advance propaganda.
In the last category we find myths that defame the settler and colonists as a proxy for defaming America an Americans.

That's what the Left does.....destroys student's love of this nation.

Today...March 22nd....a kind of an anniversary.........sort of.


3. First....there are the good times.....

Remember Samoset....the English speaking Abenaki Indian who met the Pilgrims?
March 22, 1621 Samoset returns to the Plymouth Colony to introduce Massasoit and his brother Quadequina, leaders of the Pkanoket Indians and a peace and mutual defense treaty was signed.

Of course, peaceful coexistence with Indians was a some-time thing.



4. .... not all the time, and not everywhere...March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


5. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with the Narragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


6. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This material doesn't fit the" horrible white man kill native Americans' template, huh?

Stupid Indians resisted the White man taking their lands

What were they thinking?

Their lands???

You are certainly a dunce as well as a Leftist.


1. "The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property, and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guilt masquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


3. 1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



4. And because they had no concept of private property,Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.



Clearly, you are a grad of the Howard Zinn School of History.

To an Indian, the idea of owning land was ridiculous
You did not own it, you belonged to it

In the spring, you moved to a location you could grow crops
In the fall you moved to where you could hunt or fish
In the winter you moved to where you could hunker down, kill some game

Why would anyone want to stay in the same location? You follow your food supply depending on the season
It was the white man who demanded you stay in one place

So....this post is your attempt to hide your embarrassment in a word salad???

Bet you'd get an A+ in government school, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now....what if all you learned from the media and the government schools was slanted to cause you to despise your own nation?

What if the settlers and colonists didn't arrive with the desire to slaughter the peaceful and nature-loving Hiawathas???

What if it were really very different....like this:


10. Northampton County, Pennsylvania, 1778. Four men, two with wives and eight children, were attacked by Indians. [T]his occaion’d our men to flee as fast as they could,…before they were out of sight of the wagon they saw the Indians attacking the women & Children with their Tomahawks.” The net day, the three men came back to the scene for the corpses, which include the stabbed and scalped bodies of Smith’s wife, and of “a Little girl kill’d & sclped, [and] a boy the same.” Pa. Arch. 1:6:591


a. The essential fact about Indian-European warfare in the middle colonies was that the Europeans almost always did very badly. Though the American Revolution brought about a glorified, misleading view of frontier fighters and riflemen, during the eighteenth century country people practically never managed to mount even faintly convincing defenses against Indian attacks….The only thing that worked was leaving. (p.53)


b. Although the original diversity to the European colonies was the cause of much abrasive relationships, once public debate centered on the suffering of ordinary country people who had been dismissed in the cities as worse than Indians were reshaped into grander figures, defined by their hardships more than their religion, their nationality, or any of their own troublesome actions. And, increasingly, they made useful symbols for the country as a whole.


c. Scalped and mutilated bodies were regularly brought into towns to document Indian barbarity. One strain of the rhetoric simply displayed abuses to the human body before and after death, especially scalping, as well as incineration, nonburial, and dismemberment.
"Our Savage Neighbors: How Indian War Transformed Early America," by Peter Silver

 

[TheOldSchool]

America and Russia were unjustified in fighting Germany during both world wars. The people the Germans conquered weren't indigenous, they just got there sooner.

 

[rightwinger]

1. Why 'Indians,' and not 'Native Americans'?

Because Indians were no more indigenous to America than Europeans were: they just got here a bit sooner.

The latter name fall under the heading 'propaganda.'




2. There are sooooo many myths propagated by government schools, some for good reasons (Washington and the cherry tree) ...some for innocuous (makes things fun).....some to advance propaganda.
In the last category we find myths that defame the settler and colonists as a proxy for defaming America an Americans.

That's what the Left does.....destroys student's love of this nation.

Today...March 22nd....a kind of an anniversary.........sort of.


3. First....there are the good times.....

Remember Samoset....the English speaking Abenaki Indian who met the Pilgrims?
March 22, 1621 Samoset returns to the Plymouth Colony to introduce Massasoit and his brother Quadequina, leaders of the Pkanoket Indians and a peace and mutual defense treaty was signed.

Of course, peaceful coexistence with Indians was a some-time thing.



4. .... not all the time, and not everywhere...March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


5. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with the Narragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


6. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This material doesn't fit the" horrible white man kill native Americans' template, huh?

Stupid Indians resisted the White man taking their lands

What were they thinking?

Their lands???

You are certainly a dunce as well as a Leftist.


1. "The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property, and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guilt masquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


3. 1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



4. And because they had no concept of private property,Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.



Clearly, you are a grad of the Howard Zinn School of History.

To an Indian, the idea of owning land was ridiculous
You did not own it, you belonged to it

In the spring, you moved to a location you could grow crops
In the fall you moved to where you could hunt or fish
In the winter you moved to where you could hunker down, kill some game

Why would anyone want to stay in the same location? You follow your food supply depending on the season
It was the white man who demanded you stay in one place

So....this post is your attempt to hide your embarrassment in a word salad???

Bet you'd get an A+ in government school, huh?

Well...even though it was another swing and miss on your part....at least you avoided another cut and paste tirade

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Why 'Indians,' and not 'Native Americans'?

Because Indians were no more indigenous to America than Europeans were: they just got here a bit sooner.

The latter name fall under the heading 'propaganda.'




2. There are sooooo many myths propagated by government schools, some for good reasons (Washington and the cherry tree) ...some for innocuous (makes things fun).....some to advance propaganda.
In the last category we find myths that defame the settler and colonists as a proxy for defaming America an Americans.

That's what the Left does.....destroys student's love of this nation.

Today...March 22nd....a kind of an anniversary.........sort of.


3. First....there are the good times.....

Remember Samoset....the English speaking Abenaki Indian who met the Pilgrims?
March 22, 1621 Samoset returns to the Plymouth Colony to introduce Massasoit and his brother Quadequina, leaders of the Pkanoket Indians and a peace and mutual defense treaty was signed.

Of course, peaceful coexistence with Indians was a some-time thing.



4. .... not all the time, and not everywhere...March 22, 1622, the Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers, at Jamestown, Virginia...a third of the colony's population. By Powhattan....father of Pocahontas


5. March 22, 1638- Anne Hutchinson was expelled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for religious dissent. Mrs. Hutchinson, who had a favourable relationship with the Narragansett people in Rhode Island, likely felt a false sense of safety among the Siwanoy of New Netherland.[105]The Hutchinsons had been friendly to them but following their mistreatment by the Dutch, these natives ravaged the New Netherland colony in a series of incidents known as Kieft's War.

The fate of the Hutchinson family was aptly summarised by LaPlante:

'The Siwanoy warriors stampeded into the tiny settlement above Pelham Bay, prepared to burn down every house. The Siwanoy chief,Wampage, who had sent a warning, expected to find no settlers present. But at one house the men in animal skins encountered several children, young men and women, and a woman past middle age. One Siwanoy indicated that the Hutchinsons should restrain the family's dogs. Without apparent fear, one of the family tied up the dogs. As quickly as possible, the Siwanoy seized and scalped Francis Hutchinson, William Collins, several servants, the two Annes (mother and daughter), and the younger children—William, Katherine, Mary, and Zuriel. As the story was later recounted in Boston, one of the Hutchinson's daughters, "seeking to escape," was caught "as she was getting over a hedge, and they drew her back again by the hair of the head to the stump of a tree, and there cut off her head with a hatchet.'Anne Hutchinson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Wasn't always in March....


6. August 30, 1813 The Fort Mims Massacre. ( Baldwin County, Alabama) Fort Mims was a simple stockade in which about 550 white civilians and mixed-blood Creeks and 120 militiamen and about 300 slaves took refuge from a thousand Red Stick Creeks commanded by Red Eagle (William Weatherford, who had chosen his mother’s family over his father’s) and another part-Indian named Paddy Welsh, systematically butchered the White inhabitants: White children had their brains splattered against the fort’s stockade, pregnant women were sliced open and their fetuses ripped from their wombs, and over 250 scalps taken.

The blacks were spared to become slaves to the attackers. Andrew Jackson led Tennessee soldiers and responded in a similar manner. Jackson, under the authority of President Madison, imposed a treaty that ceded 23 million acres to the United States. Fort Mims massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This material doesn't fit the" horrible white man kill native Americans' template, huh?

Stupid Indians resisted the White man taking their lands

What were they thinking?

Their lands???

You are certainly a dunce as well as a Leftist.


1. "The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property, and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guilt masquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


3. 1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



4. And because they had no concept of private property,Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.



Clearly, you are a grad of the Howard Zinn School of History.

To an Indian, the idea of owning land was ridiculous
You did not own it, you belonged to it

In the spring, you moved to a location you could grow crops
In the fall you moved to where you could hunt or fish
In the winter you moved to where you could hunker down, kill some game

Why would anyone want to stay in the same location? You follow your food supply depending on the season
It was the white man who demanded you stay in one place

So....this post is your attempt to hide your embarrassment in a word salad???

Bet you'd get an A+ in government school, huh?

Well...even though it was another swing and miss on your part....at least you avoided another cut and paste tirade

I destroyed you.

You were reduce to complaining about how the facts are presented.


Come back...I'll do it again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. "Savage" is the most appropriate term for the Indians as a whole. Latin silvaticus‘of the woods,’ from silva‘a wood.’
So....in the etymological sense....they were.

Very different from the meaning of 'civilized.'


But in the colloquial sense.....they were also savages!
See if the following informs the term 'savage' as it has been applied.



"The truth Johnny Depp wants to hide about the real-life Tontos: How Comanche Indians butchered babies, roasted enemies alive and would ride 1,000 miles to wipe out one family

The 16-year-old girl’s once-beautiful face was grotesque.

She had beendisfigured beyond all recognitionin the 18 months she had been held captive by the Comanche Indians. Her head, arms and face were full of bruises and sores,’ wrote one witness, Mary Maverick. ‘Andher nose was actually burnt offto the bone. Both nostrils were wide open and denuded of flesh.’

Once handed over, Matilda Lockhart broke down as she described the horrors she had endured —the rape, the relentless sexual humiliation and the way Comanche women had tortured her with fire. It wasn’t just her nose, her thin body was hideously scarred all over with burns.


He refers to the ‘demonic immorality’ of Comanche attacks on white settlers, the way in which torture, killings and gang-rapes were routine.‘The logic of Comanche raids was straightforward,’ he explains. ‘All the men were killed, and any men who were captured alive were tortured; the captive women were gang raped.Babies were invariably killed.’


.... native Americans are presented in the film as saintly victims of a Old West where it is the white settlers — the men who built America— who represent nothing but exploitation, brutality, environmental destruction and genocide.


‘One by one,the children and young women were pegged out naked beside the camp fire,’ according to a contemporary account. ‘They were skinned, sliced, and horribly mutilated, and finally burned alive by vengeful women determined to wring the last shriek and convulsion from their agonized bodies. Matilda Lockhart’s six-year-old sister was among these unfortunates who died screaming under the high plains moon.’

By casting the cruelest, most aggressive tribe of Indians as mere saps and victims of oppression, Johnny Depp’s Lone Ranger perpetuates the patronising and ignorant cartoon of the ‘noble savage’."
How Comanche Indians butchered babies and roasted enemies alive Daily Mail Online

 

[rightwinger]

Stupid Indians resisted the White man taking their lands

What were they thinking?

Their lands???

You are certainly a dunce as well as a Leftist.


1. "The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property, and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guilt masquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


3. 1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



4. And because they had no concept of private property,Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.



Clearly, you are a grad of the Howard Zinn School of History.

To an Indian, the idea of owning land was ridiculous
You did not own it, you belonged to it

In the spring, you moved to a location you could grow crops
In the fall you moved to where you could hunt or fish
In the winter you moved to where you could hunker down, kill some game

Why would anyone want to stay in the same location? You follow your food supply depending on the season
It was the white man who demanded you stay in one place

So....this post is your attempt to hide your embarrassment in a word salad???

Bet you'd get an A+ in government school, huh?

Well...even though it was another swing and miss on your part....at least you avoided another cut and paste tirade

I destroyed you.

You were reduce to complaining about how the facts are presented.


Come back...I'll do it again.

Cut + Paste=

I win.....I win.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Their lands???

You are certainly a dunce as well as a Leftist.


1. "The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property, and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guilt masquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


3. 1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



4. And because they had no concept of private property,Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.



Clearly, you are a grad of the Howard Zinn School of History.

To an Indian, the idea of owning land was ridiculous
You did not own it, you belonged to it

In the spring, you moved to a location you could grow crops
In the fall you moved to where you could hunt or fish
In the winter you moved to where you could hunker down, kill some game

Why would anyone want to stay in the same location? You follow your food supply depending on the season
It was the white man who demanded you stay in one place

So....this post is your attempt to hide your embarrassment in a word salad???

Bet you'd get an A+ in government school, huh?

Well...even though it was another swing and miss on your part....at least you avoided another cut and paste tirade

I destroyed you.

You were reduce to complaining about how the facts are presented.


Come back...I'll do it again.

Cut + Paste=

I win.....I win.....

You silly thing, you.

What you have exposed is another difference between the two of us: you don't mind losing, or being incorrect.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. Far too often the source of American children's knowledge is communist'teachers', such as Howard Zinn:

"...Howard Zinn saying European Colonialism killed 100 million people, with other sources saying it was 2 million.... the total number of lucky people who had their hearts cut out and sacrificed by the Aztecs is unknown. But historians are pretty sure that the number is somewhere between 300,000 and 1,500,000. "The Death Toll Comparison Breakdown - Wait But Why


Well....let's add some more fuel to that fire:


"...there is certainly no need to vilify them as "savages."
Sure about that????
The answer is both clear and indisputable: nothing could be more savage than the cultures we are discussing.



a. Craig Childs wrote in the NYTimes “A Past That Makes Us Squirm,” (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/opinion/02childs.html?_r=0) “...children killed the same way, human sacrifices to an ancient water deity, their bodies buried under pre-Columbian ball courts or at the foot of pillars in important rooms,”...

“archaeological record of the Americas read like a war-crimes indictment, with charred skeletons stacked like cordwood and innumerable human remains missing heads, legs and arms. In the American Southwest, which is my area of research, human tissue has been found cooked to the insides of kitchen jars and stained into a ceramic serving ladle. A grinding stone was found full of crushed human finger bones. A sample of human feces came up containing the remains of a cannibal’s meal.”

Childs also refers to the accuracy of “ Mel Gibson’s movie ‘Apocalypto.’ “ How do we rectify the age-old perception of noble and peaceful native America with the reality that at times violence was coordinated on a scale never before witnessed by humanity? The answer is simple. We don’t.”


b. The Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago had a new permanent exhibit of pre-Columbian North America, "The Ancient Americas,’ which embodies the current themes of political correctness. P.J. O’Rourke, in the Weekly Standard, utterly destroys the simpletons who attempt to venerate the savages.... This brings us to the Maya and their abominable customs, nicely glossed.

.”. sacrifice has played a role in the religious beliefs of many people throughout history and in all parts of the world. ….


Some societies in the ancient Americas, like the Maya, practiced bloodletting or human sacrifice as part of their ceremonies or spiritual beliefs. Why? Anthropologists don't fully know.

The loathsome Aztecdevoted most of their energy to human sacrifices, horrifying in extent and gruesome in technique. The Ancient Americas treats this in a moving-right-along manner.

From mild bloodletting to violent death, sacrifice offered thanks to the gods while maintaining the natural order of the world. The Spanish often emphasized accounts of bloodthirsty sacrifice to justify conquering the Aztec people.


Here, we reflect on the magnitude of loss inflicted on America's Indigenous peoples by European invasion. The exhibit points out thatdisease was the chief cause of suffering after European contact.Therefore, the horrors that beset The Ancient Americas following 1492 would have happened if theNiña, thePinta, and theSanta Maríahad been manned by Jimmy Carter, the Dalai Lama, and Bono." When Worlds Collide

c. .... the total number of lucky people who hadtheir hearts cut out and sacrificed by the Aztecsis unknown. But historians are pretty sure that the number is somewherebetween 300,000 and 1,500,000. " The Death Toll Comparison Breakdown - Wait But Why


I hope this ends the absurdity of placing the American Indians on a pedestal, of attempting to ennoble them with attributes and titles which they don't deserve.


Of course it won't...as long as the myth serves the Liberal purpose.

 

[rightwinger]

12. Far too often the source of American children's knowledge is communist'teachers', such as Howard Zinn:

"...Howard Zinn saying European Colonialism killed 100 million people, with other sources saying it was 2 million.... the total number of lucky people who had their hearts cut out and sacrificed by the Aztecs is unknown. But historians are pretty sure that the number is somewhere between 300,000 and 1,500,000. "The Death Toll Comparison Breakdown - Wait But Why


Well....let's add some more fuel to that fire:


"...there is certainly no need to vilify them as "savages."
Sure about that????
The answer is both clear and indisputable: nothing could be more savage than the cultures we are discussing.



a. Craig Childs wrote in the NYTimes “A Past That Makes Us Squirm,” (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/opinion/02childs.html?_r=0) “...children killed the same way, human sacrifices to an ancient water deity, their bodies buried under pre-Columbian ball courts or at the foot of pillars in important rooms,”...

“archaeological record of the Americas read like a war-crimes indictment, with charred skeletons stacked like cordwood and innumerable human remains missing heads, legs and arms. In the American Southwest, which is my area of research, human tissue has been found cooked to the insides of kitchen jars and stained into a ceramic serving ladle. A grinding stone was found full of crushed human finger bones. A sample of human feces came up containing the remains of a cannibal’s meal.”

Childs also refers to the accuracy of “ Mel Gibson’s movie ‘Apocalypto.’ “ How do we rectify the age-old perception of noble and peaceful native America with the reality that at times violence was coordinated on a scale never before witnessed by humanity? The answer is simple. We don’t.”


b. The Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago had a new permanent exhibit of pre-Columbian North America, "The Ancient Americas,’ which embodies the current themes of political correctness. P.J. O’Rourke, in the Weekly Standard, utterly destroys the simpletons who attempt to venerate the savages.... This brings us to the Maya and their abominable customs, nicely glossed.

.”. sacrifice has played a role in the religious beliefs of many people throughout history and in all parts of the world. ….


Some societies in the ancient Americas, like the Maya, practiced bloodletting or human sacrifice as part of their ceremonies or spiritual beliefs. Why? Anthropologists don't fully know.

The loathsome Aztecdevoted most of their energy to human sacrifices, horrifying in extent and gruesome in technique. The Ancient Americas treats this in a moving-right-along manner.

From mild bloodletting to violent death, sacrifice offered thanks to the gods while maintaining the natural order of the world. The Spanish often emphasized accounts of bloodthirsty sacrifice to justify conquering the Aztec people.


Here, we reflect on the magnitude of loss inflicted on America's Indigenous peoples by European invasion. The exhibit points out thatdisease was the chief cause of suffering after European contact.Therefore, the horrors that beset The Ancient Americas following 1492 would have happened if theNiña, thePinta, and theSanta Maríahad been manned by Jimmy Carter, the Dalai Lama, and Bono." When Worlds Collide

c. .... the total number of lucky people who hadtheir hearts cut out and sacrificed by the Aztecsis unknown. But historians are pretty sure that the number is somewherebetween 300,000 and 1,500,000. " The Death Toll Comparison Breakdown - Wait But Why


I hope this ends the absurdity of placing the American Indians on a pedestal, of attempting to ennoble them with attributes and titles which they don't deserve.


Of course it won't...as long as the myth serves the Liberal purpose.

Cut + Paste= zzzzzzz