Wake Up People! The Government is not the answer to our problems!

[KMAN]

Half of these guys are idiots who could never make it in the business world yet half the people out there want to government to solve our problems... How stupid can you people? There is a reason Congress has a 10% approval rating!!!!!!!!!

This is not the governments money they are playing with!!! It's your money!!!! And they are doing things like this...



Watchdog: Treasury overpaid for bank stocks

 

[doeton]

thanks gw

 

[sealybobo]

Half of these guys are idiots who could never make it in the business world yet half the people out there want to government to solve our problems... How stupid can you people? There is a reason Congress has a 10% approval rating!!!!!!!!!

This is not the governments money they are playing with!!! It's your money!!!! And they are doing things like this...



Watchdog: Treasury overpaid for bank stocks

In reply to your position:

ThomHartmann.com - "You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government"

Because half of what you are saying is true. But what you don't understand is that the GOP uses this premise to privatize any profits the government might get and socialize all the losses. At least that is what the GOP did the last 8 years. Take Iraq for example. We pay $10 billion a month and the oil companies get all the oil profits? Really? And that's smart because??? Plus, why doesn't the oil at least pay for Haloburton/Blackwater? Because the GOP would rather YOU the taxpayer pay the bills.

It was Reagan who began the deliberate and intentional destruction of the United States of America when he famously cracked (and then incessantly repeated): "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

Reagan, like George W. Bush after him, failed to understand that when people come together into community, and then into nationhood, that they organize themselves to protect themselves from predators, both human and corporate, both domestic and foreign. This form of organization is called government.

But the Reagan/Bush ideologues don't "believe" in government, in anything other than a military and police capacity. Government should punish, they agree, but it should never nurture, protect, or defend individuals. Nurturing and protecting, they suggest, is the more appropriate role of religious institutions, private charities, families, and - perhaps most important - corporations.

Let the corporations handle your old-age pension. Let the corporations decide how much protection we and our environment need from their toxics. Let the corporations decide what we're paid. Let the corporations decide what doctor we can see, when, and for what purpose.

Talk show cons and TV talking head cons and political cons - both Republican and DLC Democratic - repeat the mantra of "smaller government," and Americans nod their heads in agreement, not realizing the hidden agenda at work.

What they don't say is that the reason they want to remove government in its protective capacity is because they can then make an enormous amount of money, and have a lot of control over people's lives, when they privatize former governmental functions. They want a power vacuum, so corporations and the rich can step in. And with no limits on the inheritability of riches after the "death tax" is ended, wealth vast enough to take over the government can emerge.

 

[amrchaos]

If Government cannot solve the problem, then private business can not solve the economic malaise.

In fact , small business has no say whatsoever.

We are doomed!!

 

[rayboyusmc]

Government, the people and business are the answer.

The shit from Reagan that government is the problem is just that, simplistic shit.

 

[Skull Pilot]

less "government" and more "people" is the solution. Specifically "people" left alone to keep what they earn and do with that money what they see fit.

 

[pete]

less "government" and more "people" is the solution. Specifically "people" left alone to keep what they earn and do with that money what they see fit.

Now there's an idea ... the politicians do it why cant we!

 

[Red Dawn]

less "government" and more "people" is the solution. Specifically "people" left alone to keep what they earn and do with that money what they see fit.

You're posting on an internet invented and paid for with your fellow americans tax money; you're driving on roads paid with by taxes, you probably went to public schools at some point, and the food you eat is subsizdized with tax dollars. The electricty and water grids for your house were built by New Deal tax dollars, and subsidized to this day by your fellow americans.


Are you through fantasizing that you're Ted Kazinsky?

 

[007]

less "government" and more "people" is the solution. Specifically "people" left alone to keep what they earn and do with that money what they see fit.

You're posting on an internet invented and paid for with your fellow americans tax money; you're driving on roads paid with by taxes, you probably went to public schools at some point, and the food you eat is subsizdized with tax dollars. The electricty and water grids for your house were built by New Deal tax dollars, and subsidized to this day by your fellow americans.


Are you through fantasizing that you're Ted Kazinsky?

So what are YOU saying? That we should give ALL our money to the government? Or maybe you think America should be communist? Then the government would just give us everything we need. Is that your idea? Tell me when enough is enough...

 

[Skull Pilot]

less "government" and more "people" is the solution. Specifically "people" left alone to keep what they earn and do with that money what they see fit.

You're posting on an internet invented and paid for with your fellow americans tax money; you're driving on roads paid with by taxes, you probably went to public schools at some point, and the food you eat is subsizdized with tax dollars. The electricty and water grids for your house were built by New Deal tax dollars, and subsidized to this day by your fellow americans.


Are you through fantasizing that you're Ted Kazinsky?

where did I ever say "no" government?

less does not equal none unless of course you subscribe to liberal math.

 

[Diuretic]

A government of whom, by whom and for whom?

I have some bad news for the anti-government types. It's not going away any time soon.

Philosophically I wish it would but I know that's not going to happen. So, best man up and admit it has a role until the great utopia arrives and stop undermining it because in so doing you undermine your own society.

 

[rayboyusmc]

So what are YOU saying? That we should give ALL our money to the government? Or maybe you think America should be communist? Then the government would just give us everything we need. Is that your idea? Tell me when enough is enough...

I don't believe anyone on this thread said that. There has to be government or there will be anarchy. The real trick is how to balance enough with too much when there are so many different opinions on what the answer is.

We aren't anywhere near the extreme you are talking about.

 

[editec]

Well...its fairly apparent that private bankers aren't the answer to the problem, either.

 

[Old Rocks]

less "government" and more "people" is the solution. Specifically "people" left alone to keep what they earn and do with that money what they see fit.

By God, Skull, you are so right! We don't need no damn Gub'ment taking our hard earned. So let's shut down the most expensive dept first! What the hell do we need with those expensive fight planes and overpaid jet jockies? We all can handle them buggers with the ol' '06, right?

You want a third world nation, Skull? Then adapt a third world tax system.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well...its fairly apparent that private bankers aren't the answer to the problem, either.

And the private corperations haven't been doing so good, either. Bad policy, private and governmental got us to where we are now, more bad policy based on resentment for paying one's fair share of the bill for the things that we do together as a sociey will not get us out of this hole.

It will take imagination and hard work, both in private industry and government, to put us back on track. And it will take some time. We spent 40 years digging this hole, we are not going to get out in just a year.

We know what the problems are, and we know that some very wealthy people will see their wealth diminish in the solving of the problems. Already, in the Republican opposition to the infrastructure part of the stimulas bill, we see these people trying to prevent a real solution.

 

[dilloduck]

Well...its fairly apparent that private bankers aren't the answer to the problem, either.

And the private corperations haven't been doing so good, either. Bad policy, private and governmental got us to where we are now, more bad policy based on resentment for paying one's fair share of the bill for the things that we do together as a sociey will not get us out of this hole.

It will take imagination and hard work, both in private industry and government, to put us back on track. And it will take some time. We spent 40 years digging this hole, we are not going to get out in just a year.

We know what the problems are, and we know that some very wealthy people will see their wealth diminish in the solving of the problems. Already, in the Republican opposition to the infrastructure part of the stimulas bill, we see these people trying to prevent a real solution.

A $900,000 frisbee course is a solution ?

 

[Red Dawn]

less "government" and more "people" is the solution. Specifically "people" left alone to keep what they earn and do with that money what they see fit.

You're posting on an internet invented and paid for with your fellow americans tax money; you're driving on roads paid with by taxes, you probably went to public schools at some point, and the food you eat is subsizdized with tax dollars. The electricty and water grids for your house were built by New Deal tax dollars, and subsidized to this day by your fellow americans.


Are you through fantasizing that you're Ted Kazinsky?

where did I ever say "no" government?

less does not equal none unless of course you subscribe to liberal math.

You said governmnet should "leave us alone", and "let you keep what you earn".

I simply pointed out that virtually everything in your life that you benefit from - from the internet you're currently posting on, to the food you eat, to the roads you drive on, to the electricty and water you have - are a direct result of the collective action of americans through our government and tax dollars.

Why don't you get off the electrical and water grid, stop posting on the internet, and stop driving on roads, and then report back to us how you like living with "government out of your life".?

 

[editec]

You're posting on an internet invented and paid for with your fellow americans tax money; you're driving on roads paid with by taxes, you probably went to public schools at some point, and the food you eat is subsizdized with tax dollars. The electricty and water grids for your house were built by New Deal tax dollars, and subsidized to this day by your fellow americans.


Are you through fantasizing that you're Ted Kazinsky?

where did I ever say "no" government?

less does not equal none unless of course you subscribe to liberal math.

You said governmnet should "leave us alone", and "let you keep what you earn".

I simply pointed out that virtually everything in your life that you benefit from - from the internet you're currently posting on, to the food you eat, to the roads you drive on, to the electricty and water you have - are a direct result of the collective action of americans through our government and tax dollars.

Why don't you get off the electrical and water grid, stop posting on the internet, and stop driving on roads, and then report back to us how you like living with "government out of your life".?

Spot on.

There's a lot of braggadoccio posted here on this commonweal electronic environment.

Childish macho blather, most of it.

If any of you really want to test your self-made man theories in the real world, Somalia doesn't have a government.

Feel free to go make your fortunes sans taxes and intrusive government there.

Bring all your guns and show those locals what tough indpendent guys you really are.

Go ahead, I dare yas.

Not a single self-proclaiming self made man on this board would last a fortnight in that Libertopia.

Not a one.

Now how do I know all this about you who claim to be such successful people in the real world?

Fairly simple...if you were all the powerful personalities you claim to be, you wouldn't be wasting your time trying to prove it to us.

 

[Skull Pilot]

less "government" and more "people" is the solution. Specifically "people" left alone to keep what they earn and do with that money what they see fit.

By God, Skull, you are so right! We don't need no damn Gub'ment taking our hard earned. So let's shut down the most expensive dept first! What the hell do we need with those expensive fight planes and overpaid jet jockies? We all can handle them buggers with the ol' '06, right?

You want a third world nation, Skull? Then adapt a third world tax system.

Old rocks in in the head seems to be your problem.

you see the Constitution, remember that li'l ol' document that spells out the role and power of federal government, clearly states that the government can raise and keep a military.

not to say we can't save some money on defense because we clearly can. but what about all those other areas where the government has no constitutional authority?

surely we can get rid of those too to save some money

I am sure we could find redundant positions and offices in government and get rid of those.

But no we can't cut anything can we. My god that would just be stupid. Imagine spending less money so we can take less from the people.

IT"S JUST INCONCEIVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

You're posting on an internet invented and paid for with your fellow americans tax money; you're driving on roads paid with by taxes, you probably went to public schools at some point, and the food you eat is subsizdized with tax dollars. The electricty and water grids for your house were built by New Deal tax dollars, and subsidized to this day by your fellow americans.


Are you through fantasizing that you're Ted Kazinsky?

where did I ever say "no" government?

less does not equal none unless of course you subscribe to liberal math.

You said governmnet should "leave us alone", and "let you keep what you earn".

I simply pointed out that virtually everything in your life that you benefit from - from the internet you're currently posting on, to the food you eat, to the roads you drive on, to the electricty and water you have - are a direct result of the collective action of americans through our government and tax dollars.

Why don't you get off the electrical and water grid, stop posting on the internet, and stop driving on roads, and then report back to us how you like living with "government out of your life".?

so in your little mind, the government has no other way to raise money than an income tax?

The government operated without an income tax for years how did it do that?