wait...another gang shooting in Japan.....but...guns are not alllowed...

[TheOldSchool]

What's its per capita gun death rate?

And by the way......all crime in Japan is very, very low...due to culture and police control of the population.....it is a safe place all around.

Are you advocating for police control of the population?

No, that is what the left advocates...

Yeah that's why you all call us a bunch of crazy BLM cop haters

you guys need chaos and crime to call for more police...and to confiscate guns......standard lefty play book...trash the institutions that make society safe, enact more police control........

 

[2aguy]

So.....Japan has been disarmed since we beat them in World War 2...so they could not own weapons even back then...but....when the criminals in Japan wanted to butcher each other....they easily managed to get the guns they needed......

more on that...

Japan's yakuza crime group split spikes gang war fears

A similar factional split among the Yamaguchi-gumi in the mid-1980s "led to Japan's bloodiest gang war ever, with more than 300 shootings, 25 dead and a fortune wasted on firearms, legal fees, security, and funerals", wrote David Kaplan and Alec Durbo, authors of Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld, the definitive reference on the subject.

See, you guys keep telling us that Japan has strict gun control......and that isn't true....when their criminals want to kill each other their gun laws are no more effective than ours are......

 

[Skylar]

But....I thought you guys said that they have gun control....but apparently, when they need to kill each other, they get guns easily....


A dispute over the gang’s leadership in the early 1980s led to a two-year war that left an estimated 30 gangsters dead, 70 others wounded and more than 500 in police custody. However, there are no statistics on the number of civilians killed or injured in the violence.

They do have gun control. And a gun death rate that is 175 times lower than ours.

And again...their criminals simply choose to be less violent than ours. They get guns easily when they need to kill each other...Japanese civilian culture is not as criminal as our democrat controlled inner cities are.

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

 

[2aguy]

But....I thought you guys said that they have gun control....but apparently, when they need to kill each other, they get guns easily....


A dispute over the gang’s leadership in the early 1980s led to a two-year war that left an estimated 30 gangsters dead, 70 others wounded and more than 500 in police custody. However, there are no statistics on the number of civilians killed or injured in the violence.

They do have gun control. And a gun death rate that is 175 times lower than ours.

And again...their criminals simply choose to be less violent than ours. They get guns easily when they need to kill each other...Japanese civilian culture is not as criminal as our democrat controlled inner cities are.

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

 

[Skylar]

But....I thought you guys said that they have gun control....but apparently, when they need to kill each other, they get guns easily....


A dispute over the gang’s leadership in the early 1980s led to a two-year war that left an estimated 30 gangsters dead, 70 others wounded and more than 500 in police custody. However, there are no statistics on the number of civilians killed or injured in the violence.

They do have gun control. And a gun death rate that is 175 times lower than ours.

And again...their criminals simply choose to be less violent than ours. They get guns easily when they need to kill each other...Japanese civilian culture is not as criminal as our democrat controlled inner cities are.

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

Show us the evidence that its 'easy' to get a gun in Japan.

You're honestly claiming that the virtually zero rate of gun ownership in Japan has nothing to do with the virtually zero rate of gun violence in Japan?

 

[2aguy]

But....I thought you guys said that they have gun control....but apparently, when they need to kill each other, they get guns easily....


A dispute over the gang’s leadership in the early 1980s led to a two-year war that left an estimated 30 gangsters dead, 70 others wounded and more than 500 in police custody. However, there are no statistics on the number of civilians killed or injured in the violence.

They do have gun control. And a gun death rate that is 175 times lower than ours.

And again...their criminals simply choose to be less violent than ours. They get guns easily when they need to kill each other...Japanese civilian culture is not as criminal as our democrat controlled inner cities are.

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

Show us the evidence that its 'easy' to get a gun in Japan.

You're honestly claiming that the virtually zero rate of gun ownership in Japan has nothing to do with the virtually zero rate of gun violence in Japan?

Yes......because if it was the gun control laws you wouldn't have had the gang killings in the 80s.........since they had those gun laws back then too....

the thing that has made the real difference.........holding the crime bosses liable for the activity of the criminals...

Now...I know....you anti gunners see that and in your brains you reinterperate that to mean..."get the normal, law abiding gun owners...." But no...........read that bit again.....and then again....until you actually see what it says.....

The Japanese targeted the actual criminal bosses...the ones giving the orders to kill........

Now, we can't do that as easily here..again...Japan is pretty much a police state....but it shows that if you target actual criminals, you stop crime....if you target people who don't commit crime....you don't stop the crime......

 

[2aguy]

But....I thought you guys said that they have gun control....but apparently, when they need to kill each other, they get guns easily....


A dispute over the gang’s leadership in the early 1980s led to a two-year war that left an estimated 30 gangsters dead, 70 others wounded and more than 500 in police custody. However, there are no statistics on the number of civilians killed or injured in the violence.

They do have gun control. And a gun death rate that is 175 times lower than ours.

And again...their criminals simply choose to be less violent than ours. They get guns easily when they need to kill each other...Japanese civilian culture is not as criminal as our democrat controlled inner cities are.

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

Show us the evidence that its 'easy' to get a gun in Japan.

You're honestly claiming that the virtually zero rate of gun ownership in Japan has nothing to do with the virtually zero rate of gun violence in Japan?

Remember...same gun control laws in the 80s in Japan...didn't stop this....

A similar factional split among the Yamaguchi-gumi in the mid-1980s "led to Japan's bloodiest gang war ever, with more than 300 shootings, 25 dead and a fortune wasted on firearms, legal fees, security, and funerals", wrote David Kaplan and Alec Durbo, authors of Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld, the definitive reference on the subject.

 

[Skylar]

They do have gun control. And a gun death rate that is 175 times lower than ours.

And again...their criminals simply choose to be less violent than ours. They get guns easily when they need to kill each other...Japanese civilian culture is not as criminal as our democrat controlled inner cities are.

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

Show us the evidence that its 'easy' to get a gun in Japan.

You're honestly claiming that the virtually zero rate of gun ownership in Japan has nothing to do with the virtually zero rate of gun violence in Japan?

Remember...same gun control laws in the 80s in Japan...didn't stop this....

A similar factional split among the Yamaguchi-gumi in the mid-1980s "led to Japan's bloodiest gang war ever, with more than 300 shootings, 25 dead and a fortune wasted on firearms, legal fees, security, and funerals", wrote David Kaplan and Alec Durbo, authors of Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld, the definitive reference on the subject.

So if there is any incident of gun violence, no matter how low the rate or how rare....even if its 175 times lower than here, then gun control is worthless.

Huh.

Do you lock your doors at home? Leave your wallet on the dash and your windows down? After all, burglary happens. And wallets get stolen. So by your logic, locking your car or home is worthless.

Right?

 

[Skylar]

And when you've answered my last question, we'll move on the application of your logic in gun ownership.

Do you have a gun to defend yourself and your family? Well, people that have had guns for self defense were still hurt or killed.

Ergo, using your own logic, owning a gun for self defense or defense of your family is worthless. If not, why not?

 

[2aguy]

And again...their criminals simply choose to be less violent than ours. They get guns easily when they need to kill each other...Japanese civilian culture is not as criminal as our democrat controlled inner cities are.

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

Show us the evidence that its 'easy' to get a gun in Japan.

You're honestly claiming that the virtually zero rate of gun ownership in Japan has nothing to do with the virtually zero rate of gun violence in Japan?

Remember...same gun control laws in the 80s in Japan...didn't stop this....

A similar factional split among the Yamaguchi-gumi in the mid-1980s "led to Japan's bloodiest gang war ever, with more than 300 shootings, 25 dead and a fortune wasted on firearms, legal fees, security, and funerals", wrote David Kaplan and Alec Durbo, authors of Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld, the definitive reference on the subject.

So if there is any incident of gun violence, no matter how low the rate or how rare....even if its 175 times lower than here, then gun control is worthless.

Huh.

Do you lock your doors at home? Leave your wallet on the dash and your windows down? After all, burglary happens. And wallets get stolen. So by your logic, locking your car or home is worthless.

Right?

Nope...never said locking doors or windows is worthless. They keep out the passing criminal. The real motivated sociopaths..they do not stop at a locked door or window, they break them open...just do some reading through news wires and you will see the carnage they commit...and after they break in, that is where the gun comes into play......to stop the ones not stopped by a locked door or window.....

Japanese culture is non violent and non criminal.....at least after World War 2.....it has been noted in studies that they have a low crime rate in all categories of crime, not just violent crime. They have a group culture that shames non conformist behavior and surrender a lot of authority to their police, prosecutors and judges.....

And yet when the Yakuza wanted to kill each other they got the guns to do it....as the gang war in the 80s showed...they had their gun control back then too and it didn't stop their criminals did it?

And they just had this shooting.

The thing that will keep their violence level low...their criminals are obsessed with money...even more than American and European criminals...read about it...you will see. So by targeting the crime bosses with fines and taxes for the violence of their minions...you lower the violent crime rate.

 

[2aguy]

And when you've answered my last question, we'll move on the application of your logic in gun ownership.

Do you have a gun to defend yourself and your family? Well, people that have had guns for self defense were still hurt or killed.

Ergo, using your own logic, owning a gun for self defense or defense of your family is worthless. If not, why not?

nope.....guns have benefits that far outweigh the cost.....

1.5 million people in the united states use guns to stop violent criminal attack each year.

There were 505 accidental gun deaths in 2013.

Which number is bigger?

There are over 13 million people carrying guns in the United states...and only 505 accidental gun deaths.

Law abiding gun owners in America are not committing crimes with their guns...there are over 357 million guns in private hands.....and only 8,124 gun murders....the majority of which are committed by violent criminals murdering other violent criminals...

The law abiding...are not committing crimes with their guns..so targeting them does not lower the crime rate.

 

[2aguy]

Guys....have a good and safe new years eve....I'll fight with you later....

 

[Skylar]

And when you've answered my last question, we'll move on the application of your logic in gun ownership.

Do you have a gun to defend yourself and your family? Well, people that have had guns for self defense were still hurt or killed.

Ergo, using your own logic, owning a gun for self defense or defense of your family is worthless. If not, why not?

nope.....guns have benefits that far outweigh the cost.....

And Japan has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.....with virtually no guns. Yet you've cited *any* example of gun violence in Japan as evidence that gun control measures are worthless.

Gun owners get killed all the time. Using your own logic, owning a gun is worthless.

Don't bother locking your doors either. Burglaries still happen.

So obviously you don't own a gun or lock your doors, right?

 

[2aguy]

And when you've answered my last question, we'll move on the application of your logic in gun ownership.

Do you have a gun to defend yourself and your family? Well, people that have had guns for self defense were still hurt or killed.

Ergo, using your own logic, owning a gun for self defense or defense of your family is worthless. If not, why not?

nope.....guns have benefits that far outweigh the cost.....

And Japan has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.....with virtually no guns. Yet you've cited *any* example of gun violence in Japan as evidence that gun control measures are worthless.

Gun owners get killed all the time. Using your own logic, owning a gun is worthless.

Don't bother locking your doors either. Burglaries still happen.

So obviously you don't own a gun or lock your doors, right?

Nope...again...

357 million guns in the hands of law abiding gun owners...

505 accidental gun deaths.

13 million Americans carrying guns for self defense....

505 accidental gun deaths.

1,500,000 defensive gun uses to stop violent criminal attack.....

8,124 gun murders, majority of which, like in Japan, are criminals murdering other criminals........

That means 356,991,876 million guns are not used to murder anyone.

 

[2aguy]

And when you've answered my last question, we'll move on the application of your logic in gun ownership.

Do you have a gun to defend yourself and your family? Well, people that have had guns for self defense were still hurt or killed.

Ergo, using your own logic, owning a gun for self defense or defense of your family is worthless. If not, why not?

nope.....guns have benefits that far outweigh the cost.....

And Japan has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.....with virtually no guns. Yet you've cited *any* example of gun violence in Japan as evidence that gun control measures are worthless.

Gun owners get killed all the time. Using your own logic, owning a gun is worthless.

Don't bother locking your doors either. Burglaries still happen.

So obviously you don't own a gun or lock your doors, right?

Yet you've cited *any* example of gun violence in Japan as evidence that gun control measures are worthless.

Yes. If you are doing it to reduce gun crime. Since Japan has had the same gun control measures since the war ended...and in the 1980s they had massive gun violence by the gangs......so obviously, if the criminals want guns, they will get guns.

Gun control that targets people who do not use guns to commit crimes is especially stupid....since they don't commit crimes.

If guns are absolutely banned in Japan...how did the Yakuza get them? The only people affected by the gun ban in Japan are the law abiding people who will not use guns to commit crimes.

 

[Unkotare]

They do have gun control. And a gun death rate that is 175 times lower than ours.

And again...their criminals simply choose to be less violent than ours. They get guns easily when they need to kill each other...Japanese civilian culture is not as criminal as our democrat controlled inner cities are.

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

Show us the evidence that its 'easy' to get a gun in Japan.

You're honestly claiming that the virtually zero rate of gun ownership in Japan has nothing to do with the virtually zero rate of gun violence in Japan?

Yes......because if it was the gun control laws you wouldn't have had the gang killings in the 80s.........since they had those gun laws back then too....

the thing that has made the real difference.........holding the crime bosses liable for the activity of the criminals...

Now...I know....you anti gunners see that and in your brains you reinterperate that to mean..."get the normal, law abiding gun owners...." But no...........read that bit again.....and then again....until you actually see what it says.....

The Japanese targeted the actual criminal bosses...the ones giving the orders to kill........

Now, we can't do that as easily here..again...Japan is pretty much a police state....but it shows that if you target actual criminals, you stop crime....if you target people who don't commit crime....you don't stop the crime......

Japan is most certainly not a "police state."

 

[2aguy]

And when you've answered my last question, we'll move on the application of your logic in gun ownership.

Do you have a gun to defend yourself and your family? Well, people that have had guns for self defense were still hurt or killed.

Ergo, using your own logic, owning a gun for self defense or defense of your family is worthless. If not, why not?

nope.....guns have benefits that far outweigh the cost.....

And Japan has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.....with virtually no guns. Yet you've cited *any* example of gun violence in Japan as evidence that gun control measures are worthless.

Gun owners get killed all the time. Using your own logic, owning a gun is worthless.

Don't bother locking your doors either. Burglaries still happen.

So obviously you don't own a gun or lock your doors, right?

Don't bother locking your doors either. Burglaries still happen.

So obviously you don't own a gun or lock your doors, right?

I lock my doors because it stops criminals who walk the neighborhood checking for unlocked homes. I have a gun for the criminals who will kick in a door or break a window to enter the home.

It is you who believes that mandating that all people lock their doors and windows or they will be arrested will stop crime...not me.

 

[Unkotare]

Define 'easily'. So far your argument is that the only reason that the Japanese don't shoot each other is because they *choose* not to.

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

Show us the evidence that its 'easy' to get a gun in Japan.

You're honestly claiming that the virtually zero rate of gun ownership in Japan has nothing to do with the virtually zero rate of gun violence in Japan?

Remember...same gun control laws in the 80s in Japan...didn't stop this....

A similar factional split among the Yamaguchi-gumi in the mid-1980s "led to Japan's bloodiest gang war ever, with more than 300 shootings, 25 dead and a fortune wasted on firearms, legal fees, security, and funerals", wrote David Kaplan and Alec Durbo, authors of Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld, the definitive reference on the subject.

So if there is any incident of gun violence, no matter how low the rate or how rare....even if its 175 times lower than here, then gun control is worthless.

Huh.

Do you lock your doors at home? Leave your wallet on the dash and your windows down? After all, burglary happens. And wallets get stolen. So by your logic, locking your car or home is worthless.

Right?

Nope...never said locking doors or windows is worthless. They keep out the passing criminal. The real motivated sociopaths..they do not stop at a locked door or window, they break them open...just do some reading through news wires and you will see the carnage they commit...and after they break in, that is where the gun comes into play......to stop the ones not stopped by a locked door or window.....

Japanese culture is non violent and non criminal.....at least after World War 2.....it has been noted in studies that they have a low crime rate in all categories of crime, not just violent crime. They have a group culture that shames non conformist behavior and surrender a lot of authority to their police, prosecutors and judges.....

And yet when the Yakuza wanted to kill each other they got the guns to do it....as the gang war in the 80s showed...they had their gun control back then too and it didn't stop their criminals did it?

And they just had this shooting.

The thing that will keep their violence level low...their criminals are obsessed with money...even more than American and European criminals...read about it...you will see. So by targeting the crime bosses with fines and taxes for the violence of their minions...you lower the violent crime rate.

These over generations are ridiculous.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....exactly...just as the criminals in Europe don't kill each other as often though they easily get fully automatic rifles.

Easily is defined by how much they need to murder their criminal rivals......and in the 80s they did a lot of killing as I posted.

Now...if you cared to read the article you would see what I am about to post..the real solution to American gun crime...actually targeting criminals...not law abiding gun owners......

Show us the evidence that its 'easy' to get a gun in Japan.

You're honestly claiming that the virtually zero rate of gun ownership in Japan has nothing to do with the virtually zero rate of gun violence in Japan?

Remember...same gun control laws in the 80s in Japan...didn't stop this....

A similar factional split among the Yamaguchi-gumi in the mid-1980s "led to Japan's bloodiest gang war ever, with more than 300 shootings, 25 dead and a fortune wasted on firearms, legal fees, security, and funerals", wrote David Kaplan and Alec Durbo, authors of Yakuza: Japan's Criminal Underworld, the definitive reference on the subject.

So if there is any incident of gun violence, no matter how low the rate or how rare....even if its 175 times lower than here, then gun control is worthless.

Huh.

Do you lock your doors at home? Leave your wallet on the dash and your windows down? After all, burglary happens. And wallets get stolen. So by your logic, locking your car or home is worthless.

Right?

Nope...never said locking doors or windows is worthless. They keep out the passing criminal. The real motivated sociopaths..they do not stop at a locked door or window, they break them open...just do some reading through news wires and you will see the carnage they commit...and after they break in, that is where the gun comes into play......to stop the ones not stopped by a locked door or window.....

Japanese culture is non violent and non criminal.....at least after World War 2.....it has been noted in studies that they have a low crime rate in all categories of crime, not just violent crime. They have a group culture that shames non conformist behavior and surrender a lot of authority to their police, prosecutors and judges.....

And yet when the Yakuza wanted to kill each other they got the guns to do it....as the gang war in the 80s showed...they had their gun control back then too and it didn't stop their criminals did it?

And they just had this shooting.

The thing that will keep their violence level low...their criminals are obsessed with money...even more than American and European criminals...read about it...you will see. So by targeting the crime bosses with fines and taxes for the violence of their minions...you lower the violent crime rate.

These over generations are ridiculous.

Nope....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't.

A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation.

One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.



For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.



The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack.


In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile.


Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct."

In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.

Broad powers, professionalism, and community support combine to help Tokyo police solve 96.5% of murders, and 82.5% of robberies. In America, the police clear 74% of murders, but only a quarter of all robberies.

70% of all Japanese crimes end in a conviction; only 19.8% of American crimes even end in an arrest. A mere 9% of reported American violent crimes end in incarceration. Compared to the Japanese criminal, the American criminal faces only a minuscule risk of jail. Is it any wonder that American criminals commit so many more crimes?

Additionally, Japan's tight, conformist social culture does an excellent job of keeping citizens out of crime in the first place.

As the head of Tokyo's Police Department explains, "A man who commits a crime will bring dishonor to his family and his village, so he will think twice about disgracing them."

Having lived together for several thousand years without significant immigration, the Japanese have developed the world's most homogenous and unified society.

America's ethnic diversity causes tensions and crime, as the first or second generations of immigrants sometimes have difficulty adjusting to American ways.

 

[Skylar]

And when you've answered my last question, we'll move on the application of your logic in gun ownership.

Do you have a gun to defend yourself and your family? Well, people that have had guns for self defense were still hurt or killed.

Ergo, using your own logic, owning a gun for self defense or defense of your family is worthless. If not, why not?

nope.....guns have benefits that far outweigh the cost.....

And Japan has one of the lowest murder rates in the world.....with virtually no guns. Yet you've cited *any* example of gun violence in Japan as evidence that gun control measures are worthless.

Gun owners get killed all the time. Using your own logic, owning a gun is worthless.

Don't bother locking your doors either. Burglaries still happen.

So obviously you don't own a gun or lock your doors, right?

Nope...again...

357 million guns in the hands of law abiding gun owners...

And there are hundreds of millions of locks on doors and cars. Yet there are still burglaries and car thefts. Clearly locks are worthless.

This is your logic. Doesn't work well, does it?

505 accidental gun deaths.

Who said a thing about 'accidental deaths'? I'm citing those who have guns being killed by *someone else*.

You've cited rare, anecdotal examples of gun violence in Japan. Well, by that logic rare, anecdotal examples of gunowners being killed despite having guns to protect themselves would demonstrate that gun ownership is as worthless as gun control laws.

If you were applying your logic consistently, of course.

1,500,000 defensive gun uses to stop violent criminal attack.....

1,500,000 that don't actually involve the use of a gun. So by your own rationale, a replica would be as useful in stopping a violent criminal attack than a a real one. As actually using a gun to kill someone in self defense is less frequent than being struck by lightning.

While suicides account for a HUGE number of gun deaths in the US. More than 60% in fact, with more 20,000 such deaths a year. And having a gun in the home doubles to triples the odds of someone in that home committing suicide.

So benefits as rare as being struck by lightning vs an up to TRIPLE threat of suicide.