Votes must be counted by the end of Election Day.

[DrLove]

The problem is this stupid mail in voting. In PA, they are accepting ballots up to three days after the election which should be against the law. Everybody is predicting PA will be the real decider, and that it will be a close election. We might not find out until next week or longer who actually won unless it's a blowout one way or another.

I am not predicting PA will be the decider. I can certainly say that Trump will have won it by the end of the election day, whether democrats will even bother with the cheating attempts knowing they will lose no matter what is a good question.
But if they do, I can't wait for them to get caught and jailed.

Trump does not need PA to win. If he wins all the other states he won in 2016, other than MI, WI, PA and MN, all he needs is one of those four and he wins again.

If Biden takes Georgia and Arizona tonight - Cue the Fat Lady

2016 taught me to never underestimate Trump.

Nope, he's got an army of lawyers in PA. The man has no qualms whatsoever about cheating.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

True, but it really depends on what constitutes "ample time" AND if you are working multiple part time jobs - what EXACTLY are your rights? The employer can give you time but you are working your other job at that time.

Voting should not be viewed as an obstacle course challenge where the fittest "win". It's not just a right, it's a civic duty though far too many do not seem to care enough.

Your statement here though, is disturbing: If only people knowledgable of politics, the candidates, the issues vote, we would have a much better outcome every election, meaning less Democrats.

For one, looking at what people say, do and the lack of "education" they seemingly present - I'm seeing a lot of Republicans represented in your "those who shouldn't vote". To start with - look at at Trump's base today...people with college degrees are increasingly voting Democrat, not Republican.

“One of the great political divides in this country is the existence of a college degree. [If] you have a college degree, you’ve been drifting Democrat. If you don’t, you’ve been drifting Republican,” says Scott Jennings, a GOP strategist. “What was true in 2016 is true today. It’s been exacerbated.”

You have the right to vote, but not the right for government to make it so easy like plopping a ballot on your kitchen table. From time to time Fox will go on a college campus and ask people political questions. It's amazing how politically ignorant they are, so education is not proportional with political knowledge. It is proportional to indoctrination that they've received since public high school.

What you don't realize is when Democrats boast about how uneducated Republicans are, it's like calling us deplorable's. It's not a wonder why the blue collar working class is going more and more to Republicans. While you on the left make such insulting comments, President Trump is saying "I love the uneducated."

Ultimately you would be disenfranchising more Republicans than Democrats.

It's not disenfranchising anybody. If you want to vote, vote. If it's too much of a hassle, stay home. I don't care if it's a Republican or Democrat. If the commies thought that it would be disenfranchising more Republicans, the Democrats would not be pushing for mail in ballots. They would be pushing for longer lines and shorter hours.

If only people "knowledgable" of politics and issues voted....who exactly would determine it? For example, does "knowledgable" of the issues mean they agree with your views on the issues? That often seems to be what people mean.

What kind of society would we really produce if only an elite group voted...and in the process created policies, taxes, laws that effected a larger group of disenfranchised "serfs"?

So I don't agree with you at all - there is nothing wrong with making voting easier in a pandemic, or any other situation. People who don't want to vote still won't bother. But people who do want to vote, but find difficult enough or dangerous due to epidemic fears should not be disenfranchised.

The Democrats are only using this virus to promote mail in voting. It's the theme of your party: never let a good tragedy go to waste. We have a system where the poor are allowed to vote money out of the pockets of other people, and you call that fair? Our founders never wanted everybody to vote; only those who had a stake in the country. The problem was we didn't listen to them. And that's why we have the politicians we have today.

What would our society look like if only the informed were allowed to vote? Let's say Major League Baseball decided that cities should choose their players instead of management. That means people could vote on the players they want. In my city, you had to prove your sports knowledge to be able to vote on players. In your city, anybody could vote. They could vote if the player was good looking, if they had the same race or ethic background, choose players who's facial hair they liked, anything. Now which one of our cities do you suppose would have the better team?

If it were up to me, you'd have to take an extremely simple test before you could be handed a ballot. Simple questions like what party does the Vice President belong to? What party is in leadership of the House? The Senate? Is our country in debt or are we self reliant? What chamber do spending bills originate? Just simple things anybody should know. And no, you can't use your smartphone either.

I disagree. You don't necessarily get voters who "care about this country" - you get people who care about THEIR vision of this country, or THEIR issues, or who are fired up behind one person. And many of "you Republicans" are not politically knowledgeable, you're just as ignorant as the people you despise and want to disenfranchise. Republicans are motivated by either the political rhetoric of destruction of the Evil Dems win or, and this applies more to older generation - people who view voting as an important civic responsibility. This latter group is what we ALL should aspire too. I did not until I was older.

In most cases, you see the middle-class suburbia voting Republican and all lower income inner-cities vote almost exclusively Democrat. I've never met a politically ignorant Republican. AOC won her primary in NYC. What does that tell you about Democrat voters?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Additionally, many states have laws that they can't even START counting until the day after the election. Rump is of course FOS but his adoring flock believes him.

Then how is the media able to report election results on voting day? They report to the media who is winning and who is losing, along with the percentage of voting places reporting.

 

[DrLove]

Additionally, many states have laws that they can't even START counting until the day after the election. Rump is of course FOS but his adoring flock believes him.

Then how is the media able to report election results on voting day? They report to the media who is winning and who is losing, along with the percentage of voting places reporting.

The media makes PROJECTIONS based on the vote reported and the percentage that is still out. Those projections carry no weight. States are the only ones who can certify and that rarely happens until 2-4 weeks AFTER an election.

 

[IM2]

Yes! Because we all know it's the overseas service members who are responsible for all the constant voter fraud in Dem controlled areas. Those dang soldiers steal every election with their "right" to vote for non-marxist/fascists & it's just not fair!!!

Oh...that “constant voter fraud” myth. Other than isolated cases, it’s largely unsubstantiated. So...what is your p,an here for disenfranchising voters? Select out the military ones and dump the rest?

A comparable analogy would be saying, other than that one isolated bullet hitting you in the head, your shooting was largely unsubstantiated. LMAO There's fraud that has been documented and no amount of semantics will change that.

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Every single voting system has the potential for fraud. But the amount of fraud that occurs at the level of the individual voter is small and if caught, it is a felony. That has to be balanced against disenfranchising legitimate voters. In fact, your analogy could just as easily apply to disenfranchisement.

The fact is no one has to worry about being disenfranchised if they simply follow the rules and not try to excuse incompetence.

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The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

Oh **** off and die commie, I use mail order all the time for merchandise and meds, postal times haven changed. That's just one more lame excuse of the incompetent.

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The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

 

[IM2]

Or must they?


Donald Trump at a rally in Iowa “We should know the result of the election on November 3rd, the evening of November 3rd. That’s the way it's been and that's the way it should be."

Except when it’s not. In fact...it has never been that way.

There has never been a requirement...or even an expectation that all ballots be tabulated by the end of Election Day. And they usually are not. It typically takes longer to count absentee ballots, which, by law, are just as valid as any other.

So if you want to know the way it has really always been, don’t listen to Trump who’s goal is to disenfranchise mail in voters.

FACT CHECK: Trump Falsely Claims That Votes Shouldn't Be Counted After Election Day

"I think it's terrible when we can't know the results of an election the night of the election in a modern-day age of computers," Trump said. But the vote totals are never fully counted the same day.

www.npr.org

For starters, no state ever reports its final results on election night.

Typically, news outlets are able to declare winners the night of the election using partial counts and exit polls, which allow them to see how much of the vote is going to which candidate and calculate whether a candidate still has a path forward to win.

Each state has its own laws for when it needs to certify the election results, and none falls on Election Day.

Delaware is the only state that will certify its results within the same week as Election Day. Most states will certify their results in the last two weeks of November, with some states even extending until the second week of December.

Additionally, polls don't even close in California, Oregon, Idaho and Washington until 11 p.m. ET, and Hawaii's polls don't close until midnight on the East Coast.

What's the point of an "election day" if all the votes aren't counted on that day?

You know most of the world doesn't start to count until the next day...

Goto polls on day one and count starts the next day 9 am...

We are americans---we don't care what the rest of the world does----they usually do things wrong.

The rest of the world didn't manage this pandemic wrong.

 

[DrLove]

Yes! Because we all know it's the overseas service members who are responsible for all the constant voter fraud in Dem controlled areas. Those dang soldiers steal every election with their "right" to vote for non-marxist/fascists & it's just not fair!!!

Oh...that “constant voter fraud” myth. Other than isolated cases, it’s largely unsubstantiated. So...what is your p,an here for disenfranchising voters? Select out the military ones and dump the rest?

A comparable analogy would be saying, other than that one isolated bullet hitting you in the head, your shooting was largely unsubstantiated. LMAO There's fraud that has been documented and no amount of semantics will change that.

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Every single voting system has the potential for fraud. But the amount of fraud that occurs at the level of the individual voter is small and if caught, it is a felony. That has to be balanced against disenfranchising legitimate voters. In fact, your analogy could just as easily apply to disenfranchisement.

The fact is no one has to worry about being disenfranchised if they simply follow the rules and not try to excuse incompetence.

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The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

Oh **** off and die commie, I use mail order all the time for merchandise and meds, postal times haven changed. That's just one more lame excuse of the incompetent.

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The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

We haven't heard much lately from Donnie's $700 grand, unqualified donor and personal fluffer Louis DeMisery have we?
STEP IT UP you insufferable asshole!

Judge orders Louis DeJoy’s postal service to step it up before Election Day

“USPS personnel are instructed to perform late and extra trips to the maximum extent necessary to increase on-time mail deliveries, particularly for election mail,” the federal judge said.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Additionally, many states have laws that they can't even START counting until the day after the election. Rump is of course FOS but his adoring flock believes him.

Then how is the media able to report election results on voting day? They report to the media who is winning and who is losing, along with the percentage of voting places reporting.

The media makes PROJECTIONS based on the vote reported and the percentage that is still out. Those projections carry no weight. States are the only ones who can certify and that rarely happens until 2-4 weeks AFTER an election.

I understand that, but your claim is some states don't even count until the next day. How could media make those projection unless they were counting the ballots and reporting to them?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The rest of the world didn't manage this pandemic wrong.

Correct. Look how great Europe is doing today.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

My mail is doing just fine. Getting everything I need as scheduled.

 

[OKTexas]

Yes! Because we all know it's the overseas service members who are responsible for all the constant voter fraud in Dem controlled areas. Those dang soldiers steal every election with their "right" to vote for non-marxist/fascists & it's just not fair!!!

Oh...that “constant voter fraud” myth. Other than isolated cases, it’s largely unsubstantiated. So...what is your p,an here for disenfranchising voters? Select out the military ones and dump the rest?

A comparable analogy would be saying, other than that one isolated bullet hitting you in the head, your shooting was largely unsubstantiated. LMAO There's fraud that has been documented and no amount of semantics will change that.

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Every single voting system has the potential for fraud. But the amount of fraud that occurs at the level of the individual voter is small and if caught, it is a felony. That has to be balanced against disenfranchising legitimate voters. In fact, your analogy could just as easily apply to disenfranchisement.

The fact is no one has to worry about being disenfranchised if they simply follow the rules and not try to excuse incompetence.

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The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

Oh **** off and die commie, I use mail order all the time for merchandise and meds, postal times haven changed. That's just one more lame excuse of the incompetent.

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The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

The mail hasn't slowed down idiot, stop buying into left wing lies.

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[bendog]

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Probably just something he heard on the radio. He's run his whole presidency like that.
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imo Trump has a pretty good idea he doesn't have a path to 270 outside of Penn or Mich. Even with NC Fla Ga and Tex, If he holds Az and wins Mich or Pa he can still get to 270. But with the turnout, I think his internal polls say he's got trouble.

So he has a slight chance to invalidate votes, but even more importantly his brand name will survive if the Trumpstettes think the election is a fraud.

 

[IM2]

Yes! Because we all know it's the overseas service members who are responsible for all the constant voter fraud in Dem controlled areas. Those dang soldiers steal every election with their "right" to vote for non-marxist/fascists & it's just not fair!!!

Oh...that “constant voter fraud” myth. Other than isolated cases, it’s largely unsubstantiated. So...what is your p,an here for disenfranchising voters? Select out the military ones and dump the rest?

A comparable analogy would be saying, other than that one isolated bullet hitting you in the head, your shooting was largely unsubstantiated. LMAO There's fraud that has been documented and no amount of semantics will change that.

.

Every single voting system has the potential for fraud. But the amount of fraud that occurs at the level of the individual voter is small and if caught, it is a felony. That has to be balanced against disenfranchising legitimate voters. In fact, your analogy could just as easily apply to disenfranchisement.

The fact is no one has to worry about being disenfranchised if they simply follow the rules and not try to excuse incompetence.

.

The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

Oh **** off and die commie, I use mail order all the time for merchandise and meds, postal times haven changed. That's just one more lame excuse of the incompetent.

.

The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

The mail hasn't slowed down idiot, stop buying into left wing lies.

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A federal judge tells them to step it up but there's been no slowdown. Why?

Left wing lies....

Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[OKTexas]

Yes! Because we all know it's the overseas service members who are responsible for all the constant voter fraud in Dem controlled areas. Those dang soldiers steal every election with their "right" to vote for non-marxist/fascists & it's just not fair!!!

Oh...that “constant voter fraud” myth. Other than isolated cases, it’s largely unsubstantiated. So...what is your p,an here for disenfranchising voters? Select out the military ones and dump the rest?

A comparable analogy would be saying, other than that one isolated bullet hitting you in the head, your shooting was largely unsubstantiated. LMAO There's fraud that has been documented and no amount of semantics will change that.

.

Every single voting system has the potential for fraud. But the amount of fraud that occurs at the level of the individual voter is small and if caught, it is a felony. That has to be balanced against disenfranchising legitimate voters. In fact, your analogy could just as easily apply to disenfranchisement.

The fact is no one has to worry about being disenfranchised if they simply follow the rules and not try to excuse incompetence.

.

The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

Oh **** off and die commie, I use mail order all the time for merchandise and meds, postal times haven changed. That's just one more lame excuse of the incompetent.

.

The fact is that some rules were created to suppress the vote and the appointment of a man with no postal experience to run the postal service who immediately started slowing down of the mail should not have been done.

The mail hasn't slowed down idiot, stop buying into left wing lies.

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A federal judge tells them to step it up but there's been no slowdown. Why?

Left wing lies....

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Accusations are facts commie, come up with some facts and we can discuss them. Sullivan has already proven his bias and willingness to ignore the law.

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[BertramN]

Or must they?


Donald Trump at a rally in Iowa “We should know the result of the election on November 3rd, the evening of November 3rd. That’s the way it's been and that's the way it should be."

Except when it’s not. In fact...it has never been that way.

There has never been a requirement...or even an expectation that all ballots be tabulated by the end of Election Day. And they usually are not. It typically takes longer to count absentee ballots, which, by law, are just as valid as any other.

So if you want to know the way it has really always been, don’t listen to Trump who’s goal is to disenfranchise mail in voters.

FACT CHECK: Trump Falsely Claims That Votes Shouldn't Be Counted After Election Day

"I think it's terrible when we can't know the results of an election the night of the election in a modern-day age of computers," Trump said. But the vote totals are never fully counted the same day.

www.npr.org

For starters, no state ever reports its final results on election night.

Typically, news outlets are able to declare winners the night of the election using partial counts and exit polls, which allow them to see how much of the vote is going to which candidate and calculate whether a candidate still has a path forward to win.

Each state has its own laws for when it needs to certify the election results, and none falls on Election Day.

Delaware is the only state that will certify its results within the same week as Election Day. Most states will certify their results in the last two weeks of November, with some states even extending until the second week of December.

Additionally, polls don't even close in California, Oregon, Idaho and Washington until 11 p.m. ET, and Hawaii's polls don't close until midnight on the East Coast.

Before voting machines, when paper ballots were taken into the voting booth, marked by hand, and then counted, one at a time, what happened to the ballots uncounted by midnight? Or, in their typical ignorance, do the RWNJs believe the U.S. has had electronic voting machines since the 18th century?

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[debbiedowner]

Or must they?


Donald Trump at a rally in Iowa “We should know the result of the election on November 3rd, the evening of November 3rd. That’s the way it's been and that's the way it should be."

Except when it’s not. In fact...it has never been that way.

There has never been a requirement...or even an expectation that all ballots be tabulated by the end of Election Day. And they usually are not. It typically takes longer to count absentee ballots, which, by law, are just as valid as any other.

So if you want to know the way it has really always been, don’t listen to Trump who’s goal is to disenfranchise mail in voters.

FACT CHECK: Trump Falsely Claims That Votes Shouldn't Be Counted After Election Day

"I think it's terrible when we can't know the results of an election the night of the election in a modern-day age of computers," Trump said. But the vote totals are never fully counted the same day.

www.npr.org

For starters, no state ever reports its final results on election night.

Typically, news outlets are able to declare winners the night of the election using partial counts and exit polls, which allow them to see how much of the vote is going to which candidate and calculate whether a candidate still has a path forward to win.

Each state has its own laws for when it needs to certify the election results, and none falls on Election Day.

Delaware is the only state that will certify its results within the same week as Election Day. Most states will certify their results in the last two weeks of November, with some states even extending until the second week of December.

Additionally, polls don't even close in California, Oregon, Idaho and Washington until 11 p.m. ET, and Hawaii's polls don't close until midnight on the East Coast.

The problem is this stupid mail in voting. In PA, they are accepting ballots up to three days after the election which should be against the law. Everybody is predicting PA will be the real decider, and that it will be a close election. We might not find out until next week or longer who actually won unless it's a blowout one way or another.

If they're post marked on or before election day they should be counted. Are you willing to throw all those republican ballots out from overseas?

Why should they be postmarked by election day? They should be received BY the election officials BEFORE election day.

So you're saying all military and college students ok whatever. Anyway your theory is everyone should vote by election day and then counted on election day.