Volodymyr Zelenskyy: “I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia” About Peace in Ukraine

[Zavulon]

Oh, I agree the USSR had a lot of problems. They lived under the delusion that Communism actually works. (it doesn't). It was also the last great Colonial empire, with 150 million Russians trying to rule over hundreds of millions of non-Russians, and it didn't work. Why they are trying to go back to that is mind-boggling. Perhaps because they have nothing else going on as a country.



I agree, but the problem was that you think they did Ukraine a "favor" by building a defective nuclear plant, and that somehow makes up for the Holodomor and worse.



Um, let's get real. The Ukes are destroying your tanks faster than you can build them, to the point you are dragging old ones out of museums to use. You've emptied out the prisons because people won't tolerate more conscription, and now you are using poor unsuspecting North Koreans for cannon fodder.

The only hope you have right now is that Trump is enough of a buffoon to sell Ukraine out.



Yes, I heard that crap when I was in the military back in the 1980's, when you guys were kind of a threat, and I really didn't believe it then. You have nothing to gain in a nuclear war.

The most likely scenario, is that the Russian people will finally get sick of Putin's shit, and overthrow him. Heck, it almost happened with the Wagner Group last year.


Except no one is calling for that. Go back behind the borders you agreed to in 1991, we don't have an issue.

It hasn't sailed in 8 years, that's what a joke it is.

Oh, and they pulled off it's crew to go fight in Ukraine. That's a good use of resources.



Millions of Americans didn't starve during the Great Depression. The reason why the Holodomor was was bad was not because of crop failures, but because your Boy Stalin stole that grain to sell abroad for quick cash when his people needed it.



Nope, we aren't a nation in decline like you are.

Ok. I've got you. Let's better talk about US history. What can you tell me about moral issues (from your personal point of view) in those conflicts: American revolutionary war, Americano-Mexican war, American Civil war, American-Phillipinoes war? Who was right, who was wrong and why?

 

[DonGlock26]

Sure they are. Just make the rich pay their fair share.

Done.

Then, why are Social Security and Medicare on the brink of insolvency?

 

[Scoutster]

I hope they slammed the White House door on his ass on the way out. His midget ass can go ******* ask his European friend leaders to finally pony up for what they’ve been trying to claim they will do. Reality is they won’t. He’s fucked if we stop support for Ukraine and he knows it! So do the European leaders. My advice to the European leaders after this, don’t be stupid and try to play tough and criticize Trump cause he’ll start pulling bases in Europe. That basically have given them protection all these decades. If I hear one bullshit comment from some weak ass European leader, criticizing this I am all for pulling every base in Europe, for once they can go alone without us bailing their ass out with our money and dead US soldiers.

 

[JoeB131]

Ok. I've got you. Let's better talk about US history. What can you tell me about moral issues (from your personal point of view) in those conflicts: American revolutionary war, Americano-Mexican war, American Civil war, American-Phillipinoes war? Who was right, who was wrong and why?

Well, Because I'm not a brainwashed zombie who tries to pretend my country is always in the right.

Revolutionary War- A bunch of rich assholes didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes. A disease that plagues America to this day.

Mexican-American War - US was completely in the wrong. We committed a war of aggression against a weaker neighbor.

American CIvil War- the North was in the right.

Philippine War - We were mostly in the wrong, but if we had just let the Filipinos to their own devices, Germany or Japan would have just swooped in and taken over, anyway. And they'd have been a lot less gentle then we were.

 

[GLASNOST]

I hope they slammed the White House door on his ass on the way out. His midget ass can go ******* ask his European friend leaders to finally pony up for what they’ve been trying to claim they will do. Reality is they won’t. He’s fucked if we stop support for Ukraine and he knows it! So do the European leaders.

True.

My advice to the European leaders after this, don’t be stupid and try to play tough and criticize Trump

It'll take a little time for that to happen. Their pants keep falling down to their ankles but eventually they will realize that their pant are just too big for them and then they'll take your advice. The quickest way would be for some of them (particularly the weakest ones like Sweden) to put their boots on the ground in Ukraine and have Putin maul them. They’ll run back home lickety-split to lick their wounds and moan.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Sure, as soon as people on the right give up social security and medicare, we'll get right on that.

Happily. Can I do it tomorrow? I'm even willing to write off 30 years of payment if the taking stops now.

 

[Zavulon]

Well, Because I'm not a brainwashed zombie who tries to pretend my country is always in the right.

I never thought you are. You just uneducated.

Revolutionary War- A bunch of rich assholes didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes. A disease that plagues America to this day.

Ok. Do you agree or disagree with those statements in general? Yes or no and why?
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--
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Mexican-American War - US was completely in the wrong. We committed a war of aggression against a weaker neighbor.

Don't you think that the USA should return all those lands to Mexico?

American CIvil War- the North was in the right.

Why?

Philippine War - We were mostly in the wrong, but if we had just let the Filipinos to their own devices, Germany or Japan would have just swooped in and taken over, anyway. And they'd have been a lot less gentle then we were.

Ok. I got you. Thank you.

What about Indian wars?

 

[JoeB131]

I never thought you are. You just uneducated.

Nope, I just grew up in a free country. You clearly haven't if you believe the shit that Pooty-poot is spreading.

Ok. Do you agree or disagree with those statements in general? Yes or no and why?

I wouldn't have said them if I don't agree with them.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-

Yes, every war starts with both sides stating lofty principles, but the reality of the matter is that the American Revolution was not about revolting against tyranny. The UK was a parliamentary democracy at that point, and George III was largely a figurehead. So we revolted against the abject horror of being... Canadians.

Don't you think that the USA should return all those lands to Mexico?

I think at some point, there will be a union of Mexico, Canada and the US. Demographically, those areas are already changing. But it will be a peaceful union based on mutual respect.

Why?

The South tried to destroy the Union so a few rich white people could keep owning black people. Slavery was America's original sin. We are still paying for it to this day.

Ok. I got you. Thank you.

What about Indian wars?

Probably our second original sin, that our country was built on the genocide of native peoples. Just like your country was built on genociding native people as the Tsars expanded east. What happened to all those Mongols and Tartars?

 

[Zavulon]

Nope, I just grew up in a free country. You clearly haven't if you believe the shit that Pooty-poot is spreading.

You country isn't that free. The lack of intellectual freedom show it.

I wouldn't have said them if I don't agree with them.

So, basically you agree with it. Just American revolutionary war wasn't the case?

Yes, every war starts with both sides stating lofty principles, but the reality of the matter is that the American Revolution was not about revolting against tyranny. The UK was a parliamentary democracy at that point, and George III was largely a figurehead. So we revolted against the abject horror of being... Canadians.

As far as I know, one of mottos was "No taxation without representation", right? And Britain were taking from America much more than gave for it, weren't they?

I think at some point, there will be a union of Mexico, Canada and the US. Demographically, those areas are already changing. But it will be a peaceful union based on mutual respect.

And what if not? What if, after illegal coup in Washington, new US government officially declare "America for [white anglo-saxon protestant] Americans", officially established "High Council of Den-ggerisation and Delatinization", banned "N-gger's (Rap, Jazz and others) and Latino music" on TV, what if "language patrols" will smash storefronts with non-english banners or black owners what if "trains of friendship" will burn alive BLM protesters?

In this hypothetical scenario - what about the right of American (white, black, yellow, whoever else) people to fight back against "their" government?

The South tried to destroy the Union so a few rich white people could keep owning black people. Slavery was America's original sin. We are still paying for it to this day.

I've read about the point of view, that it wasn't just about "owning black people", but more about the choice of further development of the USA. The North saw America as an industrial power, and independent pole of force, while the South saw America (first of all, South itself) as agricultural appendix of Europe. What do you think about it?

Probably our second original sin, that our country was built on the genocide of native peoples. Just like your country was built on genociding native people as the Tsars expanded east. What happened to all those Mongols and Tartars?

Smartest of them were assimilated. Stupidiest - extincted. Why?

 

[JoeB131]

You country isn't that free. The lack of intellectual freedom show it.

Here's how I know I am in a free country. I can criticize Trump (or Biden) and not face any consequences from my government for my opinion. If you criticize Putin, you'll be tossed in the clink or quietly assassinated with Polonium.

So, basically you agree with it. Just American revolutionary war wasn't the case?

I don't believe it was a lofty war, no.

As far as I know, one of mottos was "No taxation without representation", right? And Britain were taking from America much more than gave for it, weren't they?

Not exactly.

You see, before the Revolution, there was something called the French and Indian War (which later rolled into the Seven Years War across Europe) The colonists largely provoked the French and First Nations into a conflict that the British then had to send troops in to fight and eventually expand that conflict to Europe. They expected the colonists to pay their fair share for it.

And what if not? What if, after illegal coup in Washington, new US government officially declare "America for [white anglo-saxon protestant] Americans", officially established "High Council of Den-ggerisation and Delatinization", banned "N-gger's (Rap, Jazz and others) and Latino music" on TV, what if "language patrols" will smash storefronts with non-english banners or black owners what if "trains of friendship" will burn alive BLM protesters?

a government that tried that wouldn't last a week. Too many Americans have guns.

In this hypothetical scenario - what about the right of American (white, black, yellow, whoever else) people to fight back against "their" government?

Again, not really comparable to what is going on in the Donbas.

I've read about the point of view, that it wasn't just about "owning black people", but more about the choice of further development of the USA. The North saw America as an industrial power, and independent pole of force, while the South saw America (first of all, South itself) as agricultural appendix of Europe. What do you think about it?

Well, what you've read is bullshit. It was about slavery. Always.

Not that I can blame you, the South has been engaging in historical revisionism since 1865 and they're still trying to do it.

Smartest of them were assimilated. Stupidiest - extincted. Why?

Again, you still don't get why the USSR broke up, do you?

 

[Zavulon]

Here's how I know I am in a free country. I can criticize Trump (or Biden) and not face any consequences from my government for my opinion.

And I can do it, when they are wrong. Actually, in Russian media my position is more of "Anti-Putin, pro-American, Cosmopolitical, liberal and atheistic." Of course, if this is pure criticism, nothing more. But for something more dangerous (like blackmail) American politicians kill as easy (may be even easier) as Russian.
And I know, that I was raised in more free country, because our country had trained me in three foreign languages and gave me free access to alternative sources of information. You government keeps you in darkness and feed with sh-t.

If you criticize Putin, you'll be tossed in the clink or quietly assassinated with Polonium.

And no, neither Russians, nor Americans use Po-210 as a poison. We both put it in Beryllium case, and use it as a neutron emmiter. It was just incompetence of British scenarists and poor attempt to make their stupid TV-show "Russian poisoners" a bit realistic.

I don't believe it was a lofty war, no.

Can you explain why?

Not exactly.

You see, before the Revolution, there was something called the French and Indian War (which later rolled into the Seven Years War across Europe) The colonists largely provoked the French and First Nations into a conflict that the British then had to send troops in to fight and eventually expand that conflict to Europe. They expected the colonists to pay their fair share for it.

And the colonists thought about it in the different way, right? You think they were wrong, but you don't deny the very basic human right to rebel against a tyranny?

a government that tried that wouldn't last a week. Too many Americans have guns.

Yes. And they might have right or even duty to raise against the regime, right?

Again, not really comparable to what is going on in the Donbas.

You don't know a sh-t about Donbass. Literally everything you think you know about Russia and Ukraine is the plain lie. We are talking about America. At least you know something about it.

Well, what you've read is bullshit. It was about slavery. Always.

But not only about slavery, wasn't it? As much I know about Americans they are quite pragmatic.

Not that I can blame you, the South has been engaging in historical revisionism since 1865 and they're still trying to do it.

Not only the South.

Again, you still don't get why the USSR broke up, do you?

I have some ideas, but, it might be interesting to read your version, either.

 

[JoeB131]

And no, neither Russians, nor Americans use Po-210 as a poison. We both put it in Beryllium case, and use it as a neutron emmiter. It was just incompetence of British scenarists and poor attempt to make their stupid TV-show "Russian poisoners" a bit realistic.

Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You don't know a sh-t about Donbass. Literally everything you think you know about Russia and Ukraine is the plain lie. We are talking about America. At least you know something about it.

Actually, what I know is that you guys assigned the Donbas to the Ukrainian SSR and agreed to that border in 1991.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And I can do it, when they are wrong. Actually, in Russian media my position is more of "Anti-Putin, pro-American, Cosmopolitical, liberal and atheistic." Of course, if this is pure criticism, nothing more. But for something more dangerous (like blackmail) American politicians kill as easy (may be even easier) as Russian.
And I know, that I was raised in more free country, because our country had trained me in three foreign languages and gave me free access to alternative sources of information. You government keeps you in darkness and feed with sh-t.



And no, neither Russians, nor Americans use Po-210 as a poison. We both put it in Beryllium case, and use it as a neutron emmiter. It was just incompetence of British scenarists and poor attempt to make their stupid TV-show "Russian poisoners" a bit realistic.


Can you explain why?


And the colonists thought about it in the different way, right? You think they were wrong, but you don't deny the very basic human right to rebel against a tyranny?


Yes. And they might have right or even duty to raise against the regime, right?



You don't know a sh-t about Donbass. Literally everything you think you know about Russia and Ukraine is the plain lie. We are talking about America. At least you know something about it.


But not only about slavery, wasn't it? As much I know about Americans they are quite pragmatic.


Not only the South.


I have some ideas, but, it might be interesting to read your version, either.

The Russian running dogs here are sure barking.

 

[GLASNOST]

You government keeps you in darkness and feed with sh-t.

Correct.

 

[Zavulon]

Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nothing real. Just a stupid show. I mean Litvinenko, definitely was a real person, and it seems that he really was poisoned, but he definitely was poisoned neither by Russians, nor by Americans. Highly likely, he was poisoned by the Brits, exactly for show and in the vain attempt to create a political leverage against Russia.

Actually, what I know is that you guys assigned the Donbas to the Ukrainian SSR and agreed to that border in 1991.

We agreed with existence of the new Ukraine on few terms - it should be neutral state, and Russians should have equal rights. I can imagine a lot of scenarios in which USA can recognise independence of California (say, to prevent bigger bloodshed). But there is no scenario in which USA can agree with official discrimination and genocide of Anglo-Americans in California, as well as with membrship of California in Shanghai Pact, or deployment of Russian and Chinese missiles on its territory.

 

[JoeB131]

Nothing real. Just a stupid show. I mean Litvinenko, definitely was a real person, and it seems that he really was poisoned, but he definitely was poisoned neither by Russians, nor by Americans. Highly likely, he was poisoned by the Brits, exactly for show and in the vain attempt to create a political leverage against Russia.

Um, is this what they tell you to say at the Troll Farm, Tovarisch?

We agreed with existence of the new Ukraine on few terms - it should be neutral state, and Russians should have equal rights. I can imagine a lot of scenarios in which USA can recognise independence of California (say, to prevent bigger bloodshed). But there is no scenario in which USA can agree with official discrimination and genocide of Anglo-Americans in California, as well as with membrship of California in Shanghai Pact, or deployment of Russian and Chinese missiles on its territory.

Um, okay, except none of those apply to a sovereign Ukrainian state who the Russia Federation agreed to respect the borders of.

If Ukraine had kept her nukes, there wouldn't be an issue here.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ok. I've got you. Let's better talk about US history. What can you tell me about moral issues (from your personal point of view) in those conflicts: American revolutionary war, Americano-Mexican war, American Civil war, American-Phillipinoes war? Who was right, who was wrong and why?

Better we talk about the failed Russian and Socialist Union empires.

The US works well, Russia is near failure.

Why would we help Russia?

 

[Blaster]

Better we talk about the failed Russian and Socialist Union empires.

The US works well, Russia is near failure.

Why would we help Russia?

Nobody is talking about helping Russia.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nobody is talking about helping Russia.

Trump is.

 

[AZrailwhale]

"Volodymyr Zelenskyy: “I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia” About Peace in Ukraine


Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.”

President Zelenskyy represents the interests of the European Union, multinational corporations, various elements of NATO memberships, the World Economic Forum, the CIA division within the U.S. State Dept., western banks and a confab of various western intelligence operations. After that, he represents the interests of Ukrainians. This is why he will not permit elections.



The looming confrontation between President Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, along with all the aforementioned interests Zelenskyy supports, is going to be something very interesting."

Volodymyr Zelenskyy: "I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia" About Peace in Ukraine - The Last Refuge

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.” President Zelenskyy represents...

theconservativetreehouse.com

If Zelenskyy does not want a peace agreement, then let Zelenskyy Russia without US funding. The EU can pay for the war.

It’s Ukraine’s right to accept or decline any results of negotiations. But Ukraine is completely dependent on supplies from the USA and Western Europe, Ukraine is in the position of the Free French and Free Polish forces in WWII; it’s a client state with no ability to buck the decisions of the nations supporting it. It’s still Ukraine’s right to attempt to fight on without support, but it would be in the position oh Imperial Japanese in 1945.