Volodymyr Zelenskyy: “I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia” About Peace in Ukraine

[Zavulon]

Better we talk about the failed Russian and Socialist Union empires.

Is it from CNN-verse? Pure fantasy, boring and completely out of touch with reality.

Even Russian comedy TV-series "The Widsors: Last Blood" is more realistic than that.
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The pilot begins with a shot of "London. April 21, 1926. The birth of Queen Elizabeth II." Only an experienced eye will notice that London at the beginning of the 20th century was filmed in modern Yoshkar-Ola.
We see how the Freemasons replaced the daughter of King George with the daughter of Satan. The wrinkled foundling is played by Liya Akhedzhakova.
Next, we are transported to 1952, 25-year-old Elizabeth ascends the throne, the young queen is already played by Anastasia Zavorotnyuk, her husband, Prince Philip of Edinburgh, is Gosha Kutsenko, and Winston Churchill is Celine (Dukalis, not Dion).
During the course of the series, we learn how Princess Diana, played by Olga Buzova, cheats on Elizabeth's son, Prince Charles, with an Arab sheikh (Mikhail Galustyan).
We are horrified when strikes of dockers and miners are shot by bestial policemen on the orders of the masculine Margaret Thatcher (the amazing role of Sergei Bezrukov).
We are witnessing how England was swallowed up by the drug-addicted punk culture, which found its continuation in the rave orgies of the 80s: Sid Vicious is played by Sergey Lazarev, and Johnny Rotten is played by Vlad Topalov. Depressive suicidal Ian Curtis from Joy Division is a redhead from Ivanushki.
There is a whole series dedicated to the rise and fall of Prodigy: Kate Flint – Boris Moiseev, Leroy Thornhill – Timothy, Liam Howlett – Dima Bilan.
In the britpop season, the Gallagher brothers are played by the Zaitsev sisters from Comedy.
The series dedicated to Brexit, pushed by the homosexual Scottish lobby, is directed by Kirill Serebrennikov based on a script by Mikhail Idov.
The last season covers our time already: the agent of the American special services, Meghan Markle, played by Elena Berkova, seduces Prince Harry (Alexey Panin), beating him off from the royal Dalmatians.
The only positive characters in the series are Russian athletes Bashirov and Petrov, who, having arrived to buy sports nutrition and admire the famous bridges, accidentally witness a Satanic cult led by the defector Skripal, sacrificing cats to Queen Elizabeth (the daughter of Satan, as we remember from the first series).
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[Zavulon]

Why would we help Russia?

If you wanna survive next ten years without avoidable catastrophe - you'd better don't stay on our way. And, at least, accept principles of equal rights and equal safety for everyone (especially for Russians).

 

[Zavulon]

Um, is this what they tell you to say at the Troll Farm, Tovarisch?

They don't study chemical weapons and special poisons at the Troll Farms, as far as I know. I've got some courses of toxicology and CW-tactic in the Army, mister.

Um, okay, except none of those apply to a sovereign Ukrainian state who the Russia Federation agreed to respect the borders of.

May be, somewhere in the CNN-verse there is a sovereign democratic Ukraine, attacked by the hordes of brainwashed Russian goons led by the evil dictator Putin, acting only because of his irrational hatred to light and freedom. May be. But in the real world, or even in the fantasy and sci-fi worlds of more professional scriptwriters it doesn't work that way. Good-written story needs more or less reasonable heroes and villains.

If Ukraine had kept her nukes, there wouldn't be an issue here.

Ukraine never had "her nukes". As well as Wyoming doesn't posses them. And if Ukraine had kept Soviet nukes, and tryed to take control of them, there would be only one outcome - special military operation in 1992.

 

[GLASNOST]

Is it from CNN-verse? Pure fantasy, boring and completely out of touch with reality.

Even Russian comedy TV-series "The Widsors: Last Blood" is more realistic than that.
------
The pilot begins with a shot of "London. April 21, 1926. The birth of Queen Elizabeth II." Only an experienced eye will notice that London at the beginning of the 20th century was filmed in modern Yoshkar-Ola.
We see how the Freemasons replaced the daughter of King George with the daughter of Satan. The wrinkled foundling is played by Liya Akhedzhakova.
Next, we are transported to 1952, 25-year-old Elizabeth ascends the throne, the young queen is already played by Anastasia Zavorotnyuk, her husband, Prince Philip of Edinburgh, is Gosha Kutsenko, and Winston Churchill is Celine (Dukalis, not Dion).
During the course of the series, we learn how Princess Diana, played by Olga Buzova, cheats on Elizabeth's son, Prince Charles, with an Arab sheikh (Mikhail Galustyan).
We are horrified when strikes of dockers and miners are shot by bestial policemen on the orders of the masculine Margaret Thatcher (the amazing role of Sergei Bezrukov).
We are witnessing how England was swallowed up by the drug-addicted punk culture, which found its continuation in the rave orgies of the 80s: Sid Vicious is played by Sergey Lazarev, and Johnny Rotten is played by Vlad Topalov. Depressive suicidal Ian Curtis from Joy Division is a redhead from Ivanushki.
There is a whole series dedicated to the rise and fall of Prodigy: Kate Flint – Boris Moiseev, Leroy Thornhill – Timothy, Liam Howlett – Dima Bilan.
In the britpop season, the Gallagher brothers are played by the Zaitsev sisters from Comedy.
The series dedicated to Brexit, pushed by the homosexual Scottish lobby, is directed by Kirill Serebrennikov based on a script by Mikhail Idov.
The last season covers our time already: the agent of the American special services, Meghan Markle, played by Elena Berkova, seduces Prince Harry (Alexey Panin), beating him off from the royal Dalmatians.
The only positive characters in the series are Russian athletes Bashirov and Petrov, who, having arrived to buy sports nutrition and admire the famous bridges, accidentally witness a Satanic cult led by the defector Skripal, sacrificing cats to Queen Elizabeth (the daughter of Satan, as we remember from the first series).
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Did you write this? It's almost too good for USMB readers.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It’s Ukraine’s right to accept or decline any results of negotiations. But Ukraine is completely dependent on supplies from the USA and Western Europe, Ukraine is in the position of the Free French and Free Polish forces in WWII; it’s a client state with no ability to buck the decisions of the nations supporting it. It’s still Ukraine’s right to attempt to fight on without support, but it would be in the position oh Imperial Japanese in 1945.

No. There are alternatives, and Putin does not want those.

 

[Zavulon]

Did you write this? It's almost too good for USMB readers.

The plot of the series were written by "Syny Monarhii"

https://m.rus$$$$vesna.su/news/1562830558

Russian link, remove $$$ to read.

 

[JoeB131]

It’s Ukraine’s right to accept or decline any results of negotiations. But Ukraine is completely dependent on supplies from the USA and Western Europe, Ukraine is in the position of the Free French and Free Polish forces in WWII; it’s a client state with no ability to buck the decisions of the nations supporting it. It’s still Ukraine’s right to attempt to fight on without support, but it would be in the position oh Imperial Japanese in 1945.

Again, it sounds like a lot of rationalization for selling out a free people to keep a Pee Tape under wraps.

What does Putin have on Trump to get this kind of appeasement?

 

[JoeB131]

They don't study chemical weapons and special poisons at the Troll Farms, as far as I know. I've got some courses of toxicology and CW-tactic in the Army, mister.

Um, so did I. and the first thing they taught us was "There's no such thing as a patriotic germ".

Chemcial weapons, just aren't as useful as anyone thinks they are, it's why no one really used them that much after WWI.

May be, somewhere in the CNN-verse there is a sovereign democratic Ukraine, attacked by the hordes of brainwashed Russian goons led by the evil dictator Putin, acting only because of his irrational hatred to light and freedom. May be. But in the real world, or even in the fantasy and sci-fi worlds of more professional scriptwriters it doesn't work that way. Good-written story needs more or less reasonable heroes and villains.

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

And fading Empires trying to rebuild themselves by attacking former subjects is a story as old as time.

Ukraine never had "her nukes". As well as Wyoming doesn't posses them. And if Ukraine had kept Soviet nukes, and tryed to take control of them, there would be only one outcome - special military operation in 1992.

Then why did Russia need to reach an agreement with the US and UK to get them back?

 

[Woodznutz]

"Volodymyr Zelenskyy: “I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia” About Peace in Ukraine


Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.”

President Zelenskyy represents the interests of the European Union, multinational corporations, various elements of NATO memberships, the World Economic Forum, the CIA division within the U.S. State Dept., western banks and a confab of various western intelligence operations. After that, he represents the interests of Ukrainians. This is why he will not permit elections.



The looming confrontation between President Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, along with all the aforementioned interests Zelenskyy supports, is going to be something very interesting."

Volodymyr Zelenskyy: "I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia" About Peace in Ukraine - The Last Refuge

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.” President Zelenskyy represents...

theconservativetreehouse.com

If Zelenskyy does not want a peace agreement, then let Zelenskyy Russia without US funding. The EU can pay for the war.

"Me no maka da rules, me no playa da game." - D. Trump

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

... and "me knowa gets a peace deal or a rare earth and metals deal" for Putin.

That will not go well.

 

[Zavulon]

Um, so did I. and the first thing they taught us was "There's no such thing as a patriotic germ".

But there can be specially designed germs for a specific enemy.

Chemcial weapons, just aren't as useful as anyone thinks they are, it's why no one really used them that much after WWI.

Actually, it was quite useful in the second Italian-Ethiopian war. It's more matter of shell-armor competition, and defense here has upper-hand (if we are talking about near-peer competitors). But if we are talking about actions against unprepared or against already degraded and disorganised enemy (just for mopping out his leftovers) - why not?

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

But truth is never simplier than fiction. Yes, there can be "fifty-shades of morally gray" in fiction books, but in reality there are always millions of colours.

And fading Empires trying to rebuild themselves by attacking former subjects is a story as old as time.

Yes. But its never simple black and white in reality.

Then why did Russia need to reach an agreement with the US and UK to get them back?

Who knows? May be it made Ukrainians feel themselves calmer. May be just to make a jesture of courtesy.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nonsense.

 

[JoeB131]

But there can be specially designed germs for a specific enemy.


Actually, it was quite useful in the second Italian-Ethiopian war. It's more matter of shell-armor competition, and defense here has upper-hand (if we are talking about near-peer competitors). But if we are talking about actions against unprepared or against already degraded and disorganised enemy (just for mopping out his leftovers) - why not?



But truth is never simplier than fiction. Yes, there can be "fifty-shades of morally gray" in fiction books, but in reality there are always millions of colours.

Yes. But its never simple black and white in reality.


Who knows? May be it made Ukrainians feel themselves calmer. May be just to make a jesture of courtesy.

Sorry, guy, you went full Retard.

Never go full retard.

 

[Pastelli]

The Chenobyl meltdown is what preceipiated the fall of the non-lamented USSR.




That's kind of psychotic. If you guys can't beat Ukraine, you are little threat to the west, except for your nukes.

And that assumes they are in working order, which they probably aren't, given the state of the rest of your military.

Hey, how is that aircraft carrier of yours doing?

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Works on the assumption other elections weren't free.

The thing was, the only reason why Yanukovych won in 2010 (not quite hitting 50%) was because he promised closer ties with the EU, before he started being Putin's *****.

Then he started doing shit like trying to downplay the Holodomor (the Russian-caused famine that killed up to 10 million Ukrainians) and tried to make Russian an official language. Then he started shooting the opposition, and wondered why everyone turned on him.



Guy, your time has passed. You are no longer a poll in the world. Your future is being China's *****, and I'm sure they are already sizing up Outer Mancuria to take back from you guys. Hope you weren't too fond of Vladivostock!

On one hand one feels for this guy war time prez. But all Trump wanted is a bit of respect.

 

[JoeB131]

On one hand one feels for this guy war time prez. But all Trump wanted is a bit of respect.

Respect is earned.

What has Trump done to EARN respect?

 

[CowboyTed]

"Volodymyr Zelenskyy: “I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia” About Peace in Ukraine


Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.”

President Zelenskyy represents the interests of the European Union, multinational corporations, various elements of NATO memberships, the World Economic Forum, the CIA division within the U.S. State Dept., western banks and a confab of various western intelligence operations. After that, he represents the interests of Ukrainians. This is why he will not permit elections.



The looming confrontation between President Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, along with all the aforementioned interests Zelenskyy supports, is going to be something very interesting."

Volodymyr Zelenskyy: "I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia" About Peace in Ukraine - The Last Refuge

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.” President Zelenskyy represents...

theconservativetreehouse.com

If Zelenskyy does not want a peace agreement, then let Zelenskyy Russia without US funding. The EU can pay for the war.

If there is a peace deal, don't you need all parties present and accepting the deal...

I don't know how deals work in your neck of the woods?

 

[DonGlock26]

If there is a peace deal, don't you need all parties present and accepting the deal...

I don't know how deals work in your neck of the woods?

Tell that to Z-Man as he's losing the war.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Tell that to Trump.

 

[GLASNOST]

If there is a peace deal, don't you need all parties present and accepting the deal...

Tell that to Z-Man as he's losing the war.

... and who also forbade (by Ukraine law!) any contact with Putin.

 

[skye]

Idiot.....piano player total moron......