Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming

[longknife]

By Tom Yulsman | March 1, 2013

You Globull Warming enthusiasts will hate this @ Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming : ImaGeo

 

[konradv]

You Globull Warming enthusiasts will hate this @ Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming : ImaGeo

Doesn't have to be an either/or question, they both contribute. Large volcanic eruptions are fairly rare, however, so while they may slow warming for a time, humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year. Don't understand why you say we'd hate your info. It's a well known accepted fact. It's the deniers that have trouble dealing with facts.

 

[longknife]

You Globull Warming enthusiasts will hate this @ Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming : ImaGeo

Doesn't have to be an either/or question, they both contribute. Large volcanic eruptions are fairly rare, however, so while they may slow warming for a time, humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year. Don't understand why you say we'd hate your info. It's a well known accepted fact. It's the deniers that have trouble dealing with facts.

And just where in hades do you come up with that?

Please give us a link. Every bit of information I've found, indicates volcanoes put out enough pollutants in ONE DAY as all of Humanity does in ONE YEAR!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

AGWCult, no cure.

 

[RollingThunder]

You Globull Warming enthusiasts will hate this @ Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming : ImaGeo

Doesn't have to be an either/or question, they both contribute. Large volcanic eruptions are fairly rare, however, so while they may slow warming for a time, humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year. Don't understand why you say we'd hate your info. It's a well known accepted fact. It's the deniers that have trouble dealing with facts.

And just where in hades do you come up with that?

Please give us a link. Every bit of information I've found, indicates volcanoes put out enough pollutants in ONE DAY as all of Humanity does in ONE YEAR!

Hey, longnose, are you really that ignorant and misinformed? Konradv said this: "humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year". You then come back with this: "volcanoes put out enough pollutants in ONE DAY as all of Humanity does in ONE YEAR". Volcanoes put out a lot of stuff, including ash, particulates, sulfur, and CO2. He was talking about CO2. Were you trying to dispute his point about CO2? Or just trying to 'shift the goalposts' again. If you were attempting to claim that volcanoes put out more CO2 in "ONE DAY" as humans do in "ONE YEAR" then you really are full of shit.

Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?
United States Geological Survey
February 15, 2007
(excerpts)
Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.

A short time ago (geologically speaking) the question "Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?" would have been answered differently. Volcanoes would have tipped the scale. Now, human presence, activity, and the resultant production of CO2, through the burning of fossil fuels, have all climbed at an ever-increasing rate. On the other hand, looking back through the comparatively short duration of human history, volcanic activity has, with a few notable disturbances, remained relatively steady.

 

[longknife]

Okay, so they don't - NOW

 

[RollingThunder]

Okay, so they don't - NOW

Yeah, and NOW the whole idiotic basis of this retarded thread you started has been debunked. Remember this: "You Globull Warming enthusiasts will hate this"? Completely retarded!!! You're too stupid to even comprehend what you're posting or have any idea what it means.

 

[Old Rocks]

Okay, so they don't - NOW

Longknife, it is only in the case of Trapp Volcanics where we see a fast increase in GHGs from volcanics. Otherwise, the opposite is the case. A volcano like Pinatubo will create a temporary cooling, 2 to 5 years. That is all. The dust and sulphides leave the atmosphere rather rapidly. And the output of CO2 and CH4 by volcanos is negliable compared to what we put into the atmosphere.

 

[HUGGY]

Doesn't have to be an either/or question, they both contribute. Large volcanic eruptions are fairly rare, however, so while they may slow warming for a time, humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year. Don't understand why you say we'd hate your info. It's a well known accepted fact. It's the deniers that have trouble dealing with facts.

And just where in hades do you come up with that?

Please give us a link. Every bit of information I've found, indicates volcanoes put out enough pollutants in ONE DAY as all of Humanity does in ONE YEAR!

Hey, longnose, are you really that ignorant and misinformed? Konradv said this: "humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year". You then come back with this: "volcanoes put out enough pollutants in ONE DAY as all of Humanity does in ONE YEAR". Volcanoes put out a lot of stuff, including ash, particulates, sulfur, and CO2. He was talking about CO2. Were you trying to dispute his point about CO2? Or just trying to 'shift the goalposts' again. If you were attempting to claim that volcanoes put out more CO2 in "ONE DAY" as humans do in "ONE YEAR" then you really are full of shit.

Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?
United States Geological Survey
February 15, 2007
(excerpts)
Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.

A short time ago (geologically speaking) the question "Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?" would have been answered differently. Volcanoes would have tipped the scale. Now, human presence, activity, and the resultant production of CO2, through the burning of fossil fuels, have all climbed at an ever-increasing rate. On the other hand, looking back through the comparatively short duration of human history, volcanic activity has, with a few notable disturbances, remained relatively steady.

OOPS! Looks like Longknife just got broke off at the hilt!

 

[konradv]

You Globull Warming enthusiasts will hate this @ Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming : ImaGeo

Doesn't have to be an either/or question, they both contribute. Large volcanic eruptions are fairly rare, however, so while they may slow warming for a time, humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year. Don't understand why you say we'd hate your info. It's a well known accepted fact. It's the deniers that have trouble dealing with facts.

And just where in hades do you come up with that?

Please give us a link. Every bit of information I've found, indicates volcanoes put out enough pollutants in ONE DAY as all of Humanity does in ONE YEAR!

That's because you listen to propaganda instead of facts.

Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know it's fashionable to discount Wikipedia, but they do provide references. Do some homework and you won't look so foolish in the future.

 

[longknife]

Doesn't have to be an either/or question, they both contribute. Large volcanic eruptions are fairly rare, however, so while they may slow warming for a time, humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year. Don't understand why you say we'd hate your info. It's a well known accepted fact. It's the deniers that have trouble dealing with facts.

And just where in hades do you come up with that?

Please give us a link. Every bit of information I've found, indicates volcanoes put out enough pollutants in ONE DAY as all of Humanity does in ONE YEAR!

That's because you listen to propaganda instead of facts.

Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know it's fashionable to discount Wikipedia, but they do provide references. Do some homework and you won't look so foolish in the future.

Okay, point to you. But did notice the USA is 9th out of ten in the per capita category.

 

[editec]

By Tom Yulsman | March 1, 2013

You Globull Warming enthusiasts will hate this @ Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming : ImaGeo

Why would anyone who subscribes to the idea of global warming hate what is a well known well established scientific fact?

Perhaps it is you who are confused.

Your post here certainly suggests that you are terribly confused about what GW believers know about earth science, that is certain.

 

[polarbear]

You Globull Warming enthusiasts will hate this @ Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming : ImaGeo

Doesn't have to be an either/or question, they both contribute. Large volcanic eruptions are fairly rare, however, so while they may slow warming for a time, humans put more CO2 into the atmosphere in DAYS than all the volcanoes do in a normal year. Don't understand why you say we'd hate your info. It's a well known accepted fact. It's the deniers that have trouble dealing with facts.

No "deniers" do not have any trouble dealing with the facts.
Active volcanoes dump CO2 and SO2 all the time into the atmosphere not just during "large volcanic eruptions".
That includes Mauna Loa where your daily CO2 levels are coming from...naturally honestly "adjusted to compensate" for Mauna Loa`s constant CO2 emissions.

There are 1500 active volcanoes worldwide...and that`s just on the surface. That constantly vent CO2 and SO2.

We don`t even know how many "submarine volcanoes" there are in out oceans yet

So how did climatologists "estimate" their CO2 output ?...Not even knowing how many there are and not even bothering to get a handle on the gas output.
Volcanoes don`t vent CO2 without venting SO2 also. Most of the world (except China and India) has employed flue gas desulfurization since 1983.
Every enviro-blog can tell you what the CO2 ppm were since life eveolved on earth, but none of them want to tell you what SO2 has been or is at the present,....because it`s like dropping a monkey wrench in their gearbox. So either you buy a Merck Index or the CRC Handbook for Chem and Physics for about $200 you`ll never know, except how much less SO2 came from coal and fossil fuel burning since we desulfurized both.
If you figure that the instant internet forum scientists handbook "Wikipedia" can help you out, then you are s.o.l...:

Various industrial pollutants also may be present, such as ...sulfur compounds ....such as sulfur dioxide [SO2].

Volcanic Gases

Average Compositions and Trace Gases




Most Common Gases

• Water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), and sulfur dioxide (SO2) are the most common volcanic gases.

Scientists can determine the amount and types of gas in a rock, in the minerals within a rock, or in the gas inclusions in minerals or glass
Some methods have been found to underestimate the observed amount of gas released during some historic eruption. Thus, the methods may give an estimate of the minimum amount of gas released. For example, Gerlach and McGee (1994) used melt inclusion data to estimate 0.08 Mt of SO2 emitted by the Mount St. Helens eruption. TOMS, COSPEC and ash leachate data provide an estimate of 2 Mt. Gerlach and McGee suggested a vapor phase carried most of the SO2.

Don`t you find it a bit strange that climatologists make no efforts whatsoever to monitor SO2 as zealously as CO2 ?
Because if they did then you would see by how much they have downplayed all the other factors when they have compiled their hockey-stick CO2-temperature histographs.

Present day volcanic flux (1012 mol/yr)
ca. 3.6 CO2 , 0.33-1.32 SO2

Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 73 (2009) 5241–5255
while the H2/H2O ratio in volcanic gases has not changed
significantly, the CO2/H2O and the SO2/H2O ratio in volcanic
gases have increased with time. It is proposed that during
the Archean these ratios were so much lower than
today, that the quantity of H2 was sufficient to reduce
20% of the volcanic CO2 to CH2O, to reduce all the sulfur
gases to FeS2 and to supply a significant excess of H2 to the
atmosphere. The progressive increase in the CO2/H2O and
SO2/H2O ratio of volcanic gases since then has led to the
oxidation of the atmosphere, because the quantity of H2 required
to reduce 20% of the CO2 to CH2O and to reduce all
the sulfur gases to FeS2 began to exceed the supply of H2 in
volcanic gases

 

[longknife]

Mount Etna eruption spews mile-high lava fountain
Mount Etna sends showers of lava more than a mile into the night sky. @ Video: Mount Etna eruption spews mile-high lava fountain - Telegraph with links to more

 

[longknife]

By Tom Yulsman | March 18, 2013 12:10 am

Read more @ Tangerine Dream : ImaGeo

 

[editec]

Volcanoes, Not Pollution, Slow Global Warming

First, does anyone claim that pollution slows global warming?

Secondly, if a volcano ejects a whole lot of particulite then YES, that can cool the earth atmosphere for a while.

The Year Without a Summer (also known as the Poverty Year, The Summer that Never Was, Year There Was No Summer and Eighteen Hundred and Froze to Death[1]) was 1816, in which severe summer climate abnormalities caused average global temperatures to decrease by 0.4–0.7 °C (0.7–1.3 °F),[2] resulting in major food shortages across the Northern Hemisphere.[3][4] It is believed that the anomaly was caused by a combination of a historic low in solar activity with a volcanic winter event, the latter caused by a succession of major volcanic eruptions capped by the 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora, in the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia), the largest known eruption in over 1,300 years, which occurred during the concluding decades of the Little Ice Age, potentially adding to the existing cooling that had been periodically ongoing since 1350 AD.

Historian John D. Post has called this "the last great subsistence crisis in the Western world

 

[Dante]

Ronald Reagan reduced pollution by cutting down trees and banning cow farts

 

[PUCrussel]

I don't believe global warming at all.