Vlad Putin, Dick Cheney: What's the Difference Really?

[Silhouette]

Vlad Putin, KGB guy, working an agenda even when not at the head of State. Invades an old territory that was really still Russia just 20 something years ago. Would be like because of economic crisis in our country we granted Texas their independence in a treaty with NATO, and then the world freaking out when our economy got better, going back in and reclaminig her.

Texas is strategic to us. The Black Sea is strategic to Russia.

In Dick Cheney's case, he's been in the CIA and behind most admiinstrations since the Johnson Administration, or Nixon. He never officially took the reins but that wouldn't fly in the US like Russia. Dick used his influence and puppets and de facto ruling of this country to invade Iraq, a distant sovereign nation. And he did so lying to Congress through his surrogates to get us all to pay for it too.

I'm really searching to see a distinct fundamental difference between the two men. So far the only thing I'm seeing is that Vlad's actions in the Ukraine are expected, what we would all be behind here if it was taking Texas back. That thing with Iraq...yeah...not so much..

 

[Silhouette]

I would say that if you want to place blame on anyone for stripping our ability to react with force to the Ukraine situation, you should blame Dick Cheney for turning this country into a massive hypocrite in that regard. That one man has done more damage to the US both internally and externally than all the traitors on our land since we were founded, IMHO. I wonder if we threw him in prison, what effect the world stage would have to that one, single action. My money is on massive change in how the world perceives the US and a compete turnaround for the better...saving the US trillions in unnecessary warring and diplomatic blunders and cleanup work. One man. One sentence to prison. Just one guy, vs the foreign relations interests of the entire US..One guy. Just one guy..

Besides, with Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea all potentially acting as willing puppets in a grand play, the Ukraine situation may be more about provoking the US into draining herself and forcing her to make false threats and look weaker than it is about a real, actual conflict.

The Ukraine isn't a conflict. Nobody expected Russia to desert her for long. I can't imagine how anyone is suprised that Russia is taking her "Texas" back?

As usual, our diplomats like McLame, spurred on by his own mental delusions left over from PTSD and Vietnam, acting as the mouthpiece for that gang of thugs that invaded Iraq are all about walking straight into the trap. To be fair, they make a lot of money when we go to war with all that military contracting. I think they made enough with Iraq and Afghanistan. Time to put them on ice and take a whole new fresh perspective on this Ukraine thing.

 

[Moonglow]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

 

[Moonglow]

As usual, our diplomats like McLame, spurred on by his own mental delusions left over from PTSD and Vietnam, acting as the mouthpiece for that gang of thugs that invaded Iraq are all about walking straight into the trap. To be fair, they make a lot of money when we go to war with all that military contracting. I think they made enough with Iraq and Afghanistan. Time to put them on ice and take a whole new fresh perspective on this Ukraine thing.

Kinda hard to do with 1/3 of our industry that is part of the military complex..and a govt. that believes money = free speech...

 

[Unkotare]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

Cheney didn't say that to "the American populace," you lying sack of crap. He said it to Pat Leahy.

 

[Silhouette]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

Cheney didn't say that to "the American populace," you lying sack of crap. He said it to Pat Leahy.

Big fan of Dick Cheney's are you, you lying sack of crap?

 

[Unkotare]

Dick used his influence and puppets and de facto ruling of this country to invade Iraq, a distant sovereign nation. And he did so lying to Congress through his surrogates to get us all to pay for it too...

That is beyond ridiculous, you hysterical fool.

 

[Unkotare]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

Cheney didn't say that to "the American populace," you lying sack of crap. He said it to Pat Leahy.

Big fan of Dick Cheney's are you, you lying sack of crap?

You are one of the two people lying on this troll thread, moron. Not me.

 

[Moonglow]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

Cheney didn't say that to "the American populace," you lying sack of crap. He said it to Pat Leahy.

Is he not part of the US populace??

 

[Unkotare]

In Dick Cheney's case, he's been in the CIA ..

When?

 

[Unkotare]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

Cheney didn't say that to "the American populace," you lying sack of crap. He said it to Pat Leahy.

Is he not part of the US populace??

Illogical and disingenuous. You are letting the ignorant, hysterical OP lure you down to his level.

 

[Katzndogz]

The police in what's left of Ukraine are defecting to Russia. The military is defecting to Russia. No matter how much lipstick you put on this EU backed pig, the determination of the Ukranians will not be denied.

 

[Unkotare]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

Cheney didn't say that to "the American populace," you lying sack of crap. He said it to Pat Leahy.

Big fan of Dick Cheney's are you, you lying sack of crap?

How's that evacuation of Tokyo going, genius?

 

[Silhouette]

In Dick Cheney's case, he's been in the CIA ..

When?

Since at least the 1970s. Dick Cheney might not have been "in" the CIA. He IS the CIA. They answer to him or at least are so afraid of him that they are inffectual against his agendas:

Rumsfeld and Cheney began a concerted effort - first secretly and then openly - to undermine Nixon's treaty for peace and to rebuild the state of fear.

They did it by claiming that the Soviets had a new secret weapon of mass destruction that the president didn't know about, that the CIA didn't know about, that nobody knew about but them. It was a nuclear submarine technology that was undetectable by current American technology. And, they said, because of this and related-undetectable-technology weapons, the US must redirect billions of dollars away from domestic programs and instead give the money to defense contractors for whom these two men would one day work or have businesses relationships with....

...Although Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld's assertions of this powerful new Soviet WMD was unproven - they said the lack of proof proved the "undetectable" sub existed - they nonetheless used their charges to push for dramatic escalations in military spending to selected defense contractors, a process that continued through the Reagan administration.

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz helped re-organized a group - The Committee on the Present Danger - to promote their worldview. The Committee produced documentaries, publications, and provided guests for national talk shows and news reports. They worked hard to whip up fear and encourage increases in defense spending, particularly for sophisticated weapons systems offered by the defense contractors for whom many of these same men would later become lobbyists....

...And they succeeded in recreating an atmosphere of fear in the United States, and making themselves and their defense contractor friends richer than most of the kingdoms of the world.

Trillions of dollars and years later, it was proven that they had been wrong all along, and the CIA had been right. Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz lied to America in the 1970s about Soviet WMDs and the Soviet super-sub technology....

... Most recently we've learned from former CIA National Intelligence Officer for the Middle East and South Asia Paul Pillar that, just like in the 1970s, the CIA disagreed in 2002 with Rumsfeld and Cheney about an WMD threat - this time posed by Iraq - even as Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz were telling America how afraid we should be of an eminent "mushroom cloud."

We've seen this movie before. The last time, it cost our nation hundreds of billions of dollars, vastly enriched the cronies of these men, and ultimately helped bring Ronald Reagan to power. This time they've added on top of their crony enrichment program the burden of over 2200 dead American servicemen and women, tens of thousands wounded, as many as a hundred thousand dead Iraqis, and a level of worldwide instability not seen since the run-up to World War Two. Rumsfeld and Cheney Revive Their 70's Terror Playbook | Thom Hartmann - News & info from the #1 progressive radio show

...an "executive assassination ring" that was allegedly set up and answered to former Vice President Dick Cheney. The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, building off earlier reporting from the New York Times, dropped news of the possibility that such a ring existed in a March 2009 discussion sponsored by the University of Minnesota.

"It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently," Hersh said. "They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. They did not report to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or to Mr. [Robert] Gates, the secretary of defense. They reported directly to him. ...

"Congress has no oversight of it," he added. "It's an executive assassination ring essentially, and it's been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that its leaders, a three star admiral named [William H.] McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths. Under President Bush's authority, they've been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That's been going on, in the name of all of us." Was The CIA Hiding Cheney's "Executive Assassination Ring"?

 

[TooTall]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

I don't recall Cheney ever saying or even inferring that. Perhaps you have a quote or a link. If not, I call BS!

 

[hjmick]

Vlad Putin, KGB guy, working an agenda even when not at the head of State. Invades an old territory that was really still Russia just 20 something years ago. Would be like because of economic crisis in our country we granted Texas their independence in a treaty with NATO, and then the world freaking out when our economy got better, going back in and reclaminig her.

Texas is strategic to us. The Black Sea is strategic to Russia.

In Dick Cheney's case, he's been in the CIA and behind most admiinstrations since the Johnson Administration, or Nixon. He never officially took the reins but that wouldn't fly in the US like Russia. Dick used his influence and puppets and de facto ruling of this country to invade Iraq, a distant sovereign nation. And he did so lying to Congress through his surrogates to get us all to pay for it too.

I'm really searching to see a distinct fundamental difference between the two men. So far the only thing I'm seeing is that Vlad's actions in the Ukraine are expected, what we would all be behind here if it was taking Texas back. That thing with Iraq...yeah...not so much..

I would say that if you want to place blame on anyone for stripping our ability to react with force to the Ukraine situation, you should blame Dick Cheney for turning this country into a massive hypocrite in that regard. That one man has done more damage to the US both internally and externally than all the traitors on our land since we were founded, IMHO. I wonder if we threw him in prison, what effect the world stage would have to that one, single action. My money is on massive change in how the world perceives the US and a compete turnaround for the better...saving the US trillions in unnecessary warring and diplomatic blunders and cleanup work. One man. One sentence to prison. Just one guy, vs the foreign relations interests of the entire US..One guy. Just one guy..

Besides, with Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea all potentially acting as willing puppets in a grand play, the Ukraine situation may be more about provoking the US into draining herself and forcing her to make false threats and look weaker than it is about a real, actual conflict.

The Ukraine isn't a conflict. Nobody expected Russia to desert her for long. I can't imagine how anyone is suprised that Russia is taking her "Texas" back?

As usual, our diplomats like McLame, spurred on by his own mental delusions left over from PTSD and Vietnam, acting as the mouthpiece for that gang of thugs that invaded Iraq are all about walking straight into the trap. To be fair, they make a lot of money when we go to war with all that military contracting. I think they made enough with Iraq and Afghanistan. Time to put them on ice and take a whole new fresh perspective on this Ukraine thing.

In Dick Cheney's case, he's been in the CIA ..

When?

Since at least the 1970s. Dick Cheney might not have been "in" the CIA. He IS the CIA. They answer to him or at least are so afraid of him that they are inffectual against his agendas:

Rumsfeld and Cheney began a concerted effort - first secretly and then openly - to undermine Nixon's treaty for peace and to rebuild the state of fear.

They did it by claiming that the Soviets had a new secret weapon of mass destruction that the president didn't know about, that the CIA didn't know about, that nobody knew about but them. It was a nuclear submarine technology that was undetectable by current American technology. And, they said, because of this and related-undetectable-technology weapons, the US must redirect billions of dollars away from domestic programs and instead give the money to defense contractors for whom these two men would one day work or have businesses relationships with....

...Although Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld's assertions of this powerful new Soviet WMD was unproven - they said the lack of proof proved the "undetectable" sub existed - they nonetheless used their charges to push for dramatic escalations in military spending to selected defense contractors, a process that continued through the Reagan administration.

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz helped re-organized a group - The Committee on the Present Danger - to promote their worldview. The Committee produced documentaries, publications, and provided guests for national talk shows and news reports. They worked hard to whip up fear and encourage increases in defense spending, particularly for sophisticated weapons systems offered by the defense contractors for whom many of these same men would later become lobbyists....

...And they succeeded in recreating an atmosphere of fear in the United States, and making themselves and their defense contractor friends richer than most of the kingdoms of the world.

Trillions of dollars and years later, it was proven that they had been wrong all along, and the CIA had been right. Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz lied to America in the 1970s about Soviet WMDs and the Soviet super-sub technology....

... Most recently we've learned from former CIA National Intelligence Officer for the Middle East and South Asia Paul Pillar that, just like in the 1970s, the CIA disagreed in 2002 with Rumsfeld and Cheney about an WMD threat - this time posed by Iraq - even as Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Wolfowitz were telling America how afraid we should be of an eminent "mushroom cloud."

We've seen this movie before. The last time, it cost our nation hundreds of billions of dollars, vastly enriched the cronies of these men, and ultimately helped bring Ronald Reagan to power. This time they've added on top of their crony enrichment program the burden of over 2200 dead American servicemen and women, tens of thousands wounded, as many as a hundred thousand dead Iraqis, and a level of worldwide instability not seen since the run-up to World War Two. Rumsfeld and Cheney Revive Their 70's Terror Playbook | Thom Hartmann - News & info from the #1 progressive radio show

...an "executive assassination ring" that was allegedly set up and answered to former Vice President Dick Cheney. The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, building off earlier reporting from the New York Times, dropped news of the possibility that such a ring existed in a March 2009 discussion sponsored by the University of Minnesota.

"It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently," Hersh said. "They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. They did not report to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or to Mr. [Robert] Gates, the secretary of defense. They reported directly to him. ...

"Congress has no oversight of it," he added. "It's an executive assassination ring essentially, and it's been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that its leaders, a three star admiral named [William H.] McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths. Under President Bush's authority, they've been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That's been going on, in the name of all of us." Was The CIA Hiding Cheney's "Executive Assassination Ring"?

 

[Unkotare]

In Dick Cheney's case, he's been in the CIA ..

When?

Since at least the 1970s. Dick Cheney might not have been "in" the CIA. He IS the CIA. ...

Check yourself into the Conspiracy Forum, a mental hospital, or both immediately.

 

[Unkotare]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

I don't recall Cheney ever saying or even inferring that. Perhaps you have a quote or a link. If not, I call BS!

Oh, he was just lying again. It's what he does.

 

[natstew]

Vlad Putin, KGB guy, working an agenda even when not at the head of State. Invades an old territory that was really still Russia just 20 something years ago. Would be like because of economic crisis in our country we granted Texas their independence in a treaty with NATO, and then the world freaking out when our economy got better, going back in and reclaminig her.

Texas is strategic to us. The Black Sea is strategic to Russia.

In Dick Cheney's case, he's been in the CIA and behind most admiinstrations since the Johnson Administration, or Nixon. He never officially took the reins but that wouldn't fly in the US like Russia. Dick used his influence and puppets and de facto ruling of this country to invade Iraq, a distant sovereign nation. And he did so lying to Congress through his surrogates to get us all to pay for it too.

I'm really searching to see a distinct fundamental difference between the two men. So far the only thing I'm seeing is that Vlad's actions in the Ukraine are expected, what we would all be behind here if it was taking Texas back. That thing with Iraq...yeah...not so much..

You have to be goddam delusional to even believe this, much more so to post it!

 

[natstew]

Vlad has of yet not told the American populace to go **** themselves....Like Cheney

The resident moron speaks.