Virus Panic Crowd: Stop Citing Italy. The Numbers are Skewed.

[depotoo]

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense.

Yes- HE GOT RID OF THE PANDEMIC RESPONSE TEAM! That's the whole fucking point, stupid.

Bolton, being the kind of person who thinks there's a commie and an Muslim making out under his bed, never could get his tiny mind around that a pandemic MIGHT occur naturally, and just didn't consider it a big deal.

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No, the head of the ebola pandemic team left when funding expired! He moved to another position. A new Pandemic act was created and those working on the ebola pandemic are still there, other than Ziemer, and one other person. There are others working on the pandemic response team.
Quit spreading your falsehoods. once again-
PolitiFact - NC Democrat says Trump is cutting the CDC budget by 80 percent Shows,it’s false

The broader point about there being “nobody here” to coordinate the response sells short what’s in place to handle an outbreak.


The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease.


Among the health authorities overseeing the work are Dr. Anne Schuchat, CDC’s principal deputy director and a veteran of previous outbreaks, and Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIH’s infectious disease chief who has advised six presidents.



“The CDC’s response has been excellent, as it has been in the past,” said John Auerbach, president of the nonpartisan Trust for America’s Health, which works with government at all levels to improve the nation’s response to high-risk health crises. Some Democrats have charged that Trump decimated the nation’s public health leadership, but Auerbach said CDC’s top scientific ranks have remained stable during the past three years.

AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness


Check out the act the replaced the last Act for pandemics passed in 2019. Makes for stronger support and response.

S.1379 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act of 2019

Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act of 2019


Do you realize how foolish you look?

 

[2aguy]

Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

There might be hope. My Dem gov, who was one of the first to close all schools, bars and restaurants state-wide, still has not pulled the trigger on a "stay at home" plan. Nor should this happen, as cases are most confined to urban areas.

This is a good sign that maybe even thick-headed Dems are seeing that the economic devastation is not worth the "safety measures"

uh-huh - - - that's right - 'cause there aren't any cars or mass transit that will transport infected persons from one part of a state to another part of the state or another state altogether ...

that germ can stay active & alive & very much contagious on surfaces up to 3 days. soooooooooooo............ someone who coughed spraying spittle or sneezed snot on - say a restaurant chair or any given door handle or a corner of the bar days b4 can still pick that germ up, bringing it home or work, exposing others.

Yep.

Still not worth entirely crashing our economy for.

After this 15 days is up, believe me--the majority of Americans will agree.

DR. Fauci, a hilary clinton supporter....might disagree with you........H1N1...don't crash the economy......corona, during President Trump's re-election year? Crash the economy....


https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...y_in_2009_about_the_deadly_h1n1_pandemic.html

It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant Trump economy to the ground.

In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need "to use good judgment."

"Parents should not send their kids to school if they're sick, if you're sick don't go to work ... avoid places where there are people who are sick and coughing, now that's a difficult thing to do,” he said. "...You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season." That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus from China sweeping the world.

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It’s peculiar that nowhere in the 2009 video does Dr. Fauci suggest that in order to alleviate the stress on hospital supplies we "force, uh, delay, if not cancel anything that's elective, I mean any medical or surgical procedures that need to be done on an elective basis should not be done." Dr. Fauci's statement to NBC's Savannah Guthrie on March 20, 2020 and his obvious slip of the tongue using the word “force” reveals just how much influence Dr. Fauci has over our daily lives. To date, hospitals, imaging centers, and outpatient departments across the country have cancelled non-emergent testing and surgical procedures.

Additionally, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Dr. Fauci specifically mention restaurants and bars as hot spots for the transmission of the H1N1 virus as he does in his recent interview with Yahoo News: “When I see crowded bars and crowded restaurants, it is a little bit unnerving,” Fauci said. "It’s clear that those are the situations that put people very much at risk." Talk about wielding power. Take a look around the country. Local and state officials have heeded Fauci’s “unnerving” concern and ordered restaurants to close their dining areas, or adhere to a 10-person limit. In cities and small towns everywhere, the restaurant industry, which includes owners, suppliers, chefs, line cooks, waitstaff, and bartenders, has been decimated.

 

[JoeB131]

No, the head of the ebola pandemic team left when funding expired! He moved to another position. A new Pandemic act was created and those working on the ebola pandemic are still there, other than Ziemer, and one other person. There are others working on the pandemic response team.
Quit spreading your falsehoods. once again-

Yes, because we all knew that Ebola was going to be the last Pandemic ever, so let's disband that team. Because we can always rehire those people afterwards.

 

[playtime]

How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

He ignored this crisis for months, called it a hoax, gave stupid orders, and dismantled the agencies to deal with it.

No, moron, he didn't fire his pandemic response team...that is another lie from you asshats....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense.

Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.

Bolton thought there was obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense, the former official said, saying the epidemiology of a biological health emergency is very similar to a bioterrorism attack.

Morrison, who headed the combined office beginning in July 2018, was named a deputy assistant to the president and thus had more bureaucratic clout than Ziemer, who was only a senior director.

Each directorate is housed in its own “vault,” so to speak, so classified information can be left on a person’s desk overnight. “Having those people in the same vault means that they don’t have to walk out of the office, walk down the hall, knock on the door to have someone let them in,” another former administration official said, allowing for easier communication among staff members. A number of major projects that had been stalled in bureaucratic fights, such as a National Biodefense Strategy, finally were completed after the reorganization.

“I did not feel a change” in focus, said a third former administration official, who had worked under Ziemer at the NSC. Bolton “was very dedicated to the issues we had been working on.”

As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.

“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”

he knew they were going to be dismantled & was totally on board with it. he said that he didn't like people 'sitting around getting paid for nothing ' or something very similar to that. that was in 2018 start at 1:45


& when the us flunked the pandemic 'war game' & we knew just how bad we flunked, did donny bring them back on board? no.

Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.
By David E. Sanger, Eric Lipton, Eileen Sullivan and Michael Crowley March 19, 2020
[...]
The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.

The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.

Many of the potentially deadly consequences of a failure to address the shortcomings are now playing out in all-too-real fashion across the country. And it was hardly the first warning for the nation’s leaders. Three times over the past four years the U.S. government, across two administrations, had grappled in depth with what a pandemic would look like, identifying likely shortcomings and in some cases recommending specific action.

In 2016, the Obama administration produced a comprehensive report on the lessons learned by the government from battling Ebola. In January 2017, outgoing Obama administration officials ran an extensive exercise on responding to a pandemic for incoming senior officials of the Trump administration.

The full story of the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus is still playing out. Government officials, health professionals, journalists and historians will spend years looking back on the muddled messages and missed opportunities of the past three months, as President Trump moved from dismissing the coronavirus as a few cases that would soon be “under control” to his revisionist announcement on Monday that he had known all along that a pandemic was on the way.
[...]
Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded

sooooooooooooo --------------- the buck stopped with him in 2018 & in 2019 & as much as he wants to avoid responsibility, it's all on him since he's the 'leader'.

 

[depotoo]

No, the head of the ebola pandemic team left when funding expired! He moved to another position. A new Pandemic act was created and those working on the ebola pandemic are still there, other than Ziemer, and one other person. There are others working on the pandemic response team.
Quit spreading your falsehoods. once again-

Yes, because we all knew that Ebola was going to be the last Pandemic ever, so let's disband that team. Because we can always rehire those people afterwards.

Honey, what don’t you get? He was hired specifically for ebola, as it was his specialty. He resigned when ebola was no longer a threat!

Check out the act that replaced the last Act for pandemics passed in 2019. Makes for stronger support and response.

S.1379 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act of 2019

Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act of 2019

They have a team, just not including the ebola expert! Different animal than the covid19.

 

[2aguy]

No, the head of the ebola pandemic team left when funding expired! He moved to another position. A new Pandemic act was created and those working on the ebola pandemic are still there, other than Ziemer, and one other person. There are others working on the pandemic response team.
Quit spreading your falsehoods. once again-

Yes, because we all knew that Ebola was going to be the last Pandemic ever, so let's disband that team. Because we can always rehire those people afterwards.

Your reading comprehension sucks...


Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.
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As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.

“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”

 

[depotoo]

How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

He ignored this crisis for months, called it a hoax, gave stupid orders, and dismantled the agencies to deal with it.

No, moron, he didn't fire his pandemic response team...that is another lie from you asshats....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense.

Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.

Bolton thought there was obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense, the former official said, saying the epidemiology of a biological health emergency is very similar to a bioterrorism attack.

Morrison, who headed the combined office beginning in July 2018, was named a deputy assistant to the president and thus had more bureaucratic clout than Ziemer, who was only a senior director.

Each directorate is housed in its own “vault,” so to speak, so classified information can be left on a person’s desk overnight. “Having those people in the same vault means that they don’t have to walk out of the office, walk down the hall, knock on the door to have someone let them in,” another former administration official said, allowing for easier communication among staff members. A number of major projects that had been stalled in bureaucratic fights, such as a National Biodefense Strategy, finally were completed after the reorganization.

“I did not feel a change” in focus, said a third former administration official, who had worked under Ziemer at the NSC. Bolton “was very dedicated to the issues we had been working on.”

As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.

“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”

he knew they were going to be dismantled & was totally on board with it. he said that he didn't like people 'sitting around getting paid for nothing ' or something very similar to that. that was in 2018 start at 1:45


& when the us flunked the pandemic 'war game' & we knew just how bad we flunked, did donny bring them back on board? no.

Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.
By David E. Sanger, Eric Lipton, Eileen Sullivan and Michael Crowley March 19, 2020
[...]
The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.

The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.

Many of the potentially deadly consequences of a failure to address the shortcomings are now playing out in all-too-real fashion across the country. And it was hardly the first warning for the nation’s leaders. Three times over the past four years the U.S. government, across two administrations, had grappled in depth with what a pandemic would look like, identifying likely shortcomings and in some cases recommending specific action.

In 2016, the Obama administration produced a comprehensive report on the lessons learned by the government from battling Ebola. In January 2017, outgoing Obama administration officials ran an extensive exercise on responding to a pandemic for incoming senior officials of the Trump administration.

The full story of the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus is still playing out. Government officials, health professionals, journalists and historians will spend years looking back on the muddled messages and missed opportunities of the past three months, as President Trump moved from dismissing the coronavirus as a few cases that would soon be “under control” to his revisionist announcement on Monday that he had known all along that a pandemic was on the way.
[...]
Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded

sooooooooooooo --------------- the buck stopped with him in 2018 & in 2019 & as much as he wants to avoid responsibility, it's all on him since he's the 'leader'.

Let’s see, 6 months and 4000 American’s died before Obama declared an emergency of H1N1.

Trump called for restrictions for Wuhan virus before the WHO declared it an emergency!

 

[playtime]

Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

There might be hope. My Dem gov, who was one of the first to close all schools, bars and restaurants state-wide, still has not pulled the trigger on a "stay at home" plan. Nor should this happen, as cases are most confined to urban areas.

This is a good sign that maybe even thick-headed Dems are seeing that the economic devastation is not worth the "safety measures"

uh-huh - - - that's right - 'cause there aren't any cars or mass transit that will transport infected persons from one part of a state to another part of the state or another state altogether ...

that germ can stay active & alive & very much contagious on surfaces up to 3 days. soooooooooooo............ someone who coughed spraying spittle or sneezed snot on - say a restaurant chair or any given door handle or a corner of the bar days b4 can still pick that germ up, bringing it home or work, exposing others.

Yep.

Still not worth entirely crashing our economy for.

After this 15 days is up, believe me--the majority of Americans will agree.

DR. Fauci, a hilary clinton supporter....might disagree with you........H1N1...don't crash the economy......corona, during President Trump's re-election year? Crash the economy....


https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...y_in_2009_about_the_deadly_h1n1_pandemic.html

It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant Trump economy to the ground.

In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need "to use good judgment."

"Parents should not send their kids to school if they're sick, if you're sick don't go to work ... avoid places where there are people who are sick and coughing, now that's a difficult thing to do,” he said. "...You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season." That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus from China sweeping the world.

-------

It’s peculiar that nowhere in the 2009 video does Dr. Fauci suggest that in order to alleviate the stress on hospital supplies we "force, uh, delay, if not cancel anything that's elective, I mean any medical or surgical procedures that need to be done on an elective basis should not be done." Dr. Fauci's statement to NBC's Savannah Guthrie on March 20, 2020 and his obvious slip of the tongue using the word “force” reveals just how much influence Dr. Fauci has over our daily lives. To date, hospitals, imaging centers, and outpatient departments across the country have cancelled non-emergent testing and surgical procedures.

Additionally, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Dr. Fauci specifically mention restaurants and bars as hot spots for the transmission of the H1N1 virus as he does in his recent interview with Yahoo News: “When I see crowded bars and crowded restaurants, it is a little bit unnerving,” Fauci said. "It’s clear that those are the situations that put people very much at risk." Talk about wielding power. Take a look around the country. Local and state officials have heeded Fauci’s “unnerving” concern and ordered restaurants to close their dining areas, or adhere to a 10-person limit. In cities and small towns everywhere, the restaurant industry, which includes owners, suppliers, chefs, line cooks, waitstaff, and bartenders, has been decimated.

american thinker? really ? what's next? OAN?

fauci is a scientist & has been serving presidents, both (R) & (D) since 1984. what an ignorant thing to say on yer part. why does donny just fire him then? god you people are stupid.

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[playtime]

No, the head of the ebola pandemic team left when funding expired! He moved to another position. A new Pandemic act was created and those working on the ebola pandemic are still there, other than Ziemer, and one other person. There are others working on the pandemic response team.
Quit spreading your falsehoods. once again-

Yes, because we all knew that Ebola was going to be the last Pandemic ever, so let's disband that team. Because we can always rehire those people afterwards.

yaaaaaaaaaaaaa - except donny never did that, being the stable genius that he is.

 

[depotoo]

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

There might be hope. My Dem gov, who was one of the first to close all schools, bars and restaurants state-wide, still has not pulled the trigger on a "stay at home" plan. Nor should this happen, as cases are most confined to urban areas.

This is a good sign that maybe even thick-headed Dems are seeing that the economic devastation is not worth the "safety measures"

uh-huh - - - that's right - 'cause there aren't any cars or mass transit that will transport infected persons from one part of a state to another part of the state or another state altogether ...

that germ can stay active & alive & very much contagious on surfaces up to 3 days. soooooooooooo............ someone who coughed spraying spittle or sneezed snot on - say a restaurant chair or any given door handle or a corner of the bar days b4 can still pick that germ up, bringing it home or work, exposing others.

Yep.

Still not worth entirely crashing our economy for.

After this 15 days is up, believe me--the majority of Americans will agree.

DR. Fauci, a hilary clinton supporter....might disagree with you........H1N1...don't crash the economy......corona, during President Trump's re-election year? Crash the economy....


https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...y_in_2009_about_the_deadly_h1n1_pandemic.html

It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant Trump economy to the ground.

In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need "to use good judgment."

"Parents should not send their kids to school if they're sick, if you're sick don't go to work ... avoid places where there are people who are sick and coughing, now that's a difficult thing to do,” he said. "...You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season." That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus from China sweeping the world.

-------

It’s peculiar that nowhere in the 2009 video does Dr. Fauci suggest that in order to alleviate the stress on hospital supplies we "force, uh, delay, if not cancel anything that's elective, I mean any medical or surgical procedures that need to be done on an elective basis should not be done." Dr. Fauci's statement to NBC's Savannah Guthrie on March 20, 2020 and his obvious slip of the tongue using the word “force” reveals just how much influence Dr. Fauci has over our daily lives. To date, hospitals, imaging centers, and outpatient departments across the country have cancelled non-emergent testing and surgical procedures.

Additionally, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Dr. Fauci specifically mention restaurants and bars as hot spots for the transmission of the H1N1 virus as he does in his recent interview with Yahoo News: “When I see crowded bars and crowded restaurants, it is a little bit unnerving,” Fauci said. "It’s clear that those are the situations that put people very much at risk." Talk about wielding power. Take a look around the country. Local and state officials have heeded Fauci’s “unnerving” concern and ordered restaurants to close their dining areas, or adhere to a 10-person limit. In cities and small towns everywhere, the restaurant industry, which includes owners, suppliers, chefs, line cooks, waitstaff, and bartenders, has been decimated.

american thinker? really ? what's next? OAN?

fauci is a scientist & has been serving presidents, both (R) & (D) since 1984. what an ignorant thing to say on yer part. why does donny just fire him then? god you people are stupid.

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Can you refute anything they said?

 

[Desperado]

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

You mean people can actually GET into a hospital, even if they are poor?

So now their apartments are considered hospitals?

 

[playtime]

How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

He ignored this crisis for months, called it a hoax, gave stupid orders, and dismantled the agencies to deal with it.

No, moron, he didn't fire his pandemic response team...that is another lie from you asshats....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense.

Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.

Bolton thought there was obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense, the former official said, saying the epidemiology of a biological health emergency is very similar to a bioterrorism attack.

Morrison, who headed the combined office beginning in July 2018, was named a deputy assistant to the president and thus had more bureaucratic clout than Ziemer, who was only a senior director.

Each directorate is housed in its own “vault,” so to speak, so classified information can be left on a person’s desk overnight. “Having those people in the same vault means that they don’t have to walk out of the office, walk down the hall, knock on the door to have someone let them in,” another former administration official said, allowing for easier communication among staff members. A number of major projects that had been stalled in bureaucratic fights, such as a National Biodefense Strategy, finally were completed after the reorganization.

“I did not feel a change” in focus, said a third former administration official, who had worked under Ziemer at the NSC. Bolton “was very dedicated to the issues we had been working on.”

As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.

“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”

he knew they were going to be dismantled & was totally on board with it. he said that he didn't like people 'sitting around getting paid for nothing ' or something very similar to that. that was in 2018 start at 1:45


& when the us flunked the pandemic 'war game' & we knew just how bad we flunked, did donny bring them back on board? no.

Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded
Government exercises, including one last year, made clear that the U.S. was not ready for a pandemic like the coronavirus. But little was done.
By David E. Sanger, Eric Lipton, Eileen Sullivan and Michael Crowley March 19, 2020
[...]
The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.

The draft report, marked “not to be disclosed,” laid out in stark detail repeated cases of “confusion” in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.

Many of the potentially deadly consequences of a failure to address the shortcomings are now playing out in all-too-real fashion across the country. And it was hardly the first warning for the nation’s leaders. Three times over the past four years the U.S. government, across two administrations, had grappled in depth with what a pandemic would look like, identifying likely shortcomings and in some cases recommending specific action.

In 2016, the Obama administration produced a comprehensive report on the lessons learned by the government from battling Ebola. In January 2017, outgoing Obama administration officials ran an extensive exercise on responding to a pandemic for incoming senior officials of the Trump administration.

The full story of the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus is still playing out. Government officials, health professionals, journalists and historians will spend years looking back on the muddled messages and missed opportunities of the past three months, as President Trump moved from dismissing the coronavirus as a few cases that would soon be “under control” to his revisionist announcement on Monday that he had known all along that a pandemic was on the way.
[...]
Before Virus Outbreak, a Cascade of Warnings Went Unheeded

sooooooooooooo --------------- the buck stopped with him in 2018 & in 2019 & as much as he wants to avoid responsibility, it's all on him since he's the 'leader'.

Let’s see, 6 months and 4000 American’s died before Obama declared an emergency of H1N1.
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Trump called for restrictions for Wuhan virus before the WHO declared it an emergency!

except the virus was already here & stopping flights from china might have helped on a very small scale - although it wasn't completely for the benefit of americans. & he ignored everything else that could have & should have been done. obama - - - btw - - - isn't president anymore & HE declared a public health emergency in april of 2009. YOUR guy is president now - so put the coronavirus handling where it should be.

on HIM.

 

[Camp]

An enemy got through the wire and into the compound. It has killed many and will continue to kill until it is forced out of the compound or destroyed in place. Someone forgot to stockpile munitions, so, the enemy is winning. After action reports will blame leaders for failing to act on intelligence reports and prepare for the attack.

 

[depotoo]

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

You mean people can actually GET into a hospital, even if they are poor?

Noone is denied here, if they are sick. But here is Italy for you-

Medical personnel works inside one of the emergency structures that were set up to ease procedures outside the hospital of Brescia, Northern Italy, Tuesday, March 10, 2020. For most people, the new coronavirus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia. (Claudio Furlan/LaPresse via AP)(Claudio Furlan/LaPresse/AP)

 

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How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

He ignored this crisis for months, called it a hoax, gave stupid orders, and dismantled the agencies to deal with it.

As 2aguy proved, he did not fire the pandemic team, he actually strengthened our response teams through reorganization.
click on times to hear the actual audio. He never declared it a hoax.
He never called the cirus a hoax. Never.-
Rev Transcription Editor

Donald Trump: (05:44)

We are stronger, we are better, but while we are building a great future, the radical left Democrats in Washington are trying to burn it all down. They have spent the last three years, and I can even go further than that, three years since the election, but we go before the election, working to erase your ballots and overthrow our democracy. But with your help, we have exposed the far left’s corruption and defeated their sinister schemes and let’s see what happens in the coming months. Let’s watch. Let’s just watch. Very dishonest people. Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, “How’s President Trump doing?” They go, “Oh, not good, not good.” They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa. They can’t even count. No, they can’t. They can’t count their votes.

Donald Trump: (07:07)

One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was not a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.


December 31: China reports the discovery of the coronavirus to the World Health Organization.

January 6: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus.

January 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus.

January 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China.

January 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles.

January 20: Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus.

January 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response.

January 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test.

January 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus.

January 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the president.

January 31: The Trump Administration:

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  • Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.
  • Announced Chinese travel restrictions.
  • Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.

January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports.

February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.

February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus.

February 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs.

February 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington.

February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.

I ran the White House pandemic office. Trump closed it.
The federal government is moving too slowly, due to a lack of leadership.

ByBeth Cameron
Beth Cameron is vice president for global biological policy and programs at the Nuclear Threat Initiative. She previously served as the senior director for global health security and biodefense on the White House National Security Council.

March 13, 2020 at 9:32 AM EDT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...0de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

He ignored this crisis for months, called it a hoax, gave stupid orders, and dismantled the agencies to deal with it.

He didn't "ignore it for months" you need to update your talking points

 

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This thread is not about Donald Trump.

 

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Don't miss this too: the mayor of Florence actually encouraged Italians to hug Chinese people wearing masks Because Racism. Yes, wonderful Social Distancing. I'm sure all the Virus Shamers here are nevertheless in favor of that right?

i suppose you think it's dandy that yer president will CONtinue to shake hands with anybody.

 

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Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

There might be hope. My Dem gov, who was one of the first to close all schools, bars and restaurants state-wide, still has not pulled the trigger on a "stay at home" plan. Nor should this happen, as cases are most confined to urban areas.

This is a good sign that maybe even thick-headed Dems are seeing that the economic devastation is not worth the "safety measures"

uh-huh - - - that's right - 'cause there aren't any cars or mass transit that will transport infected persons from one part of a state to another part of the state or another state altogether ...

that germ can stay active & alive & very much contagious on surfaces up to 3 days. soooooooooooo............ someone who coughed spraying spittle or sneezed snot on - say a restaurant chair or any given door handle or a corner of the bar days b4 can still pick that germ up, bringing it home or work, exposing others.

Yep.

Still not worth entirely crashing our economy for.

After this 15 days is up, believe me--the majority of Americans will agree.

is it worth gramma dying?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They can get medical care in America also

but thanks to the private sector we have better hospitals

also italy is chinas first bitch in europe and has a large number of chinese living and working there

Again, we are going to surpass Italy in the number of Covid-19 cases pretty soon. Up to 26K this morning.

Durrr, how many people in Italy? How many in the USA? Durrr