Virus Panic Crowd: Stop Citing Italy. The Numbers are Skewed.

[SweetSue92]

Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?

 

[Mac-7]

Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

 

[JoeB131]

Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Translation- After years of excusing the pure Evil of Donald Trump with, "Well, look at the economy", not that the guy has CRASHED the economy, Sue is panicking.

Don't worry, we'll do what we always do. We'll get a Democrat in there to fix the economy, AGAIN, and then in ten years or so, you can scream about whatever moral panic you want to get stupid white people to vote against their economic interests.

 

[JoeB131]

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

You mean people can actually GET into a hospital, even if they are poor?

 

[SweetSue92]

Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

There might be hope. My Dem gov, who was one of the first to close all schools, bars and restaurants state-wide, still has not pulled the trigger on a "stay at home" plan. Nor should this happen, as cases are most confined to urban areas.

This is a good sign that maybe even thick-headed Dems are seeing that the economic devastation is not worth the "safety measures"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Translation- After years of excusing the pure Evil of Donald Trump with, "Well, look at the economy", not that the guy has CRASHED the economy, Sue is panicking.

Don't worry, we'll do what we always do. We'll get a Democrat in there to fix the economy, AGAIN, and then in ten years or so, you can scream about whatever moral panic you want to get stupid white people to vote against their economic interests.

How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

 

[Mac-7]

Plus Italy has the euro version of Medicare For All that America is not yet cursed with

You mean people can actually GET into a hospital, even if they are poor?

They can get medical care in America also

but thanks to the private sector we have better hospitals

also italy is chinas first bitch in europe and has a large number of chinese living and working there

 

[2aguy]

Not only is Italy's population significantly older, sicker and more dense than ours in the US, but the way they report death in hospitals is different than ours.

Except in isolated, urban areas where the virus is very bad, America needs to get back to work and school, and we need to do it SOON. Before the economy cannot be fixed!

But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy?

Also....they have a huge Chinese migrant population.......due to their allowing China to buy up real estate in their country.....the region where the outbreak is the worst is where the Chinese community lived.....and they frequently travel back and forth from China.....from the very area where the virus outbreak occurred.......

 

[JoeB131]

How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

He ignored this crisis for months, called it a hoax, gave stupid orders, and dismantled the agencies to deal with it.

 

[JoeB131]

They can get medical care in America also

but thanks to the private sector we have better hospitals

also italy is chinas first bitch in europe and has a large number of chinese living and working there

Again, we are going to surpass Italy in the number of Covid-19 cases pretty soon. Up to 26K this morning.

 

[2aguy]

How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

He ignored this crisis for months, called it a hoax, gave stupid orders, and dismantled the agencies to deal with it.

Moron, he didn't ignore the crises for months and stopped Travel to china immediately......and the democrats said he was being a racist and a xenophobe for doing it...at the time....

you moron.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron, he didn't ignore the crises for months and stopped Travel to china immediately......and the democrats said he was being a racist and a xenophobe for doing it...at the time....

you moron.

He was being a racist and xenophobe. That action probably made matters worse, as all the Americans living and working in China rushed back in a panic and weren't screened or isolated when they came back.

But as recently as March 9, Trump was bragging about how we were beating this thing and how good the stock market was doing.

Whoops.

Trump is done, buddy. .

 

[2aguy]

How did Trump "Crash the economy" Honey Boo Boo?

He ignored this crisis for months, called it a hoax, gave stupid orders, and dismantled the agencies to deal with it.

No, moron, he didn't fire his pandemic response team...that is another lie from you asshats....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense.

Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.

Bolton thought there was obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense, the former official said, saying the epidemiology of a biological health emergency is very similar to a bioterrorism attack.

Morrison, who headed the combined office beginning in July 2018, was named a deputy assistant to the president and thus had more bureaucratic clout than Ziemer, who was only a senior director.

Each directorate is housed in its own “vault,” so to speak, so classified information can be left on a person’s desk overnight. “Having those people in the same vault means that they don’t have to walk out of the office, walk down the hall, knock on the door to have someone let them in,” another former administration official said, allowing for easier communication among staff members. A number of major projects that had been stalled in bureaucratic fights, such as a National Biodefense Strategy, finally were completed after the reorganization.

“I did not feel a change” in focus, said a third former administration official, who had worked under Ziemer at the NSC. Bolton “was very dedicated to the issues we had been working on.”

As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.

“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”

 

[2aguy]

They can get medical care in America also

but thanks to the private sector we have better hospitals

also italy is chinas first bitch in europe and has a large number of chinese living and working there

Again, we are going to surpass Italy in the number of Covid-19 cases pretty soon. Up to 26K this morning.

Moron....it isn't the number infected, it is the number that die....considering the vast majority of cases will be a fever and a cough and then recovery....you dope.

 

[JoeB131]

No, moron, he didn't fire his pandemic response team...that is another lie from you asshats....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Yeah, how did that work out again? Oh, that's right. We didn't have a pandemic response team when a pandemic broke out!

That worked well.

 

[2aguy]

Moron, he didn't ignore the crises for months and stopped Travel to china immediately......and the democrats said he was being a racist and a xenophobe for doing it...at the time....

you moron.

He was being a racist and xenophobe. That action probably made matters worse, as all the Americans living and working in China rushed back in a panic and weren't screened or isolated when they came back.

But as recently as March 9, Trump was bragging about how we were beating this thing and how good the stock market was doing.

Whoops.

Trump is done, buddy. .

Moron....you are behind on the democrat party talking points....... you are supposed to hide the fact that joe biden was and is against stopping travel from China....didn't you get the F*****g memo?

Everyone now understands that the travel ban saved lives so you have to hide the fact that the democrat party was against it........get on the F*****g same page, you dope...you party isn't going to have idiots like you blow their cover....

 

[JoeB131]

Moron....it isn't the number infected, it is the number that die....considering the vast majority of cases will be a fever and a cough and then recovery....you dope.

Okay, buddy, you keep telling yourself that. When we have thousands dead and a wrecked economy...

 

[2aguy]

No, moron, he didn't fire his pandemic response team...that is another lie from you asshats....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Yeah, how did that work out again? Oh, that's right. We didn't have a pandemic response team when a pandemic broke out!

That worked well.

I just gave you an article by the Washington Post that shows you don't know what you are talking about........

Here...since you missed it...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense.

Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.

Bolton thought there was obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense, the former official said, saying the epidemiology of a biological health emergency is very similar to a bioterrorism attack.

Morrison, who headed the combined office beginning in July 2018, was named a deputy assistant to the president and thus had more bureaucratic clout than Ziemer, who was only a senior director.

Each directorate is housed in its own “vault,” so to speak, so classified information can be left on a person’s desk overnight. “Having those people in the same vault means that they don’t have to walk out of the office, walk down the hall, knock on the door to have someone let them in,” another former administration official said, allowing for easier communication among staff members. A number of major projects that had been stalled in bureaucratic fights, such as a National Biodefense Strategy, finally were completed after the reorganization.

“I did not feel a change” in focus, said a third former administration official, who had worked under Ziemer at the NSC. Bolton “was very dedicated to the issues we had been working on.”

As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.

“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”

 

[JoeB131]

I just gave you an article by the Washington Post that shows you don't know what you are talking about........

Here...since you missed it...

Nope, I ignore all your crap...

Point was, Trump disbanded the Pandemic Response Team.

 

[2aguy]

I just gave you an article by the Washington Post that shows you don't know what you are talking about........

Here...since you missed it...

Nope, I ignore all your crap...

Point was, Trump disbanded the Pandemic Response Team.

The article shows you are completely wrong........and you continue to state the obvious lie......with the article in the same thread....

you really are F*****g stupid...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ite-house-office-global-pandemics-eliminated/

The structure survived during the early part of Trump’s presidency, when the office was headed by Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer. But, after John Bolton became Trump’s third national security adviser, he decided the organizational chart was a mess and led to too many conflicts. He also thought the staff was too large, having swollen to 430 people, including staffers in the pipeline.

Bolton fired Tom Bossert, the homeland security adviser, realigning the post to report directly to him. He eliminated a number of deputy national security advisers so there was just one. And he folded the global health directorate into a new one that focused on counterproliferation and biodefense.

Ziemer departed for a high-level post in the U.S. Agency for International Development, though a former administration official said he was due to leave the NSC anyway. His staff, whom Ziemer had called “the dream team,” remained in place.

Bolton thought there was obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense, the former official said, saying the epidemiology of a biological health emergency is very similar to a bioterrorism attack.

Morrison, who headed the combined office beginning in July 2018, was named a deputy assistant to the president and thus had more bureaucratic clout than Ziemer, who was only a senior director.

Each directorate is housed in its own “vault,” so to speak, so classified information can be left on a person’s desk overnight. “Having those people in the same vault means that they don’t have to walk out of the office, walk down the hall, knock on the door to have someone let them in,” another former administration official said, allowing for easier communication among staff members. A number of major projects that had been stalled in bureaucratic fights, such as a National Biodefense Strategy, finally were completed after the reorganization.

“I did not feel a change” in focus, said a third former administration official, who had worked under Ziemer at the NSC. Bolton “was very dedicated to the issues we had been working on.”

As far as we can determine, the positions that made up the old unit still are filled within the NSC, most in the nonproliferation directorate; one was moved to another directorate. Morrison worked closely with Bolton and could get things quickly to his attention; he eventually moved to a different position and then left the government.

“During the summer of 2018, NSC merged three directorates into one to reduce the seam between those preparing for biological threats whether they are man-made or naturally occurring,” said NSC spokesman John Ullyot. “No director-level positions were eliminated during this process, and the organization retained its subject matter expertise under a different organizational structure.” He added that under Bolton’s replacement, Robert C. O’Brien, “no NSC biodefense director positions were eliminated under right-sizing.”