Violent crime on London "Tubes" up 45% over the last 3 years....but they banned guns?

[Tommy Tainant]

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Your country has illegal guns....criminals use those guns...so please, tell us which gun control law keeps them from walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?

Dumb luck stopping 4 mass public shooters does not mean you have effective gun control....

You are a joke. Four incidents that nearly happened over 10 years against four incidents a week.
Yup, gun control isnt working is it ?

How many have been killed in London my knives or machetes?

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Why are you so complacent about violent crime being so high in your country and such a small country?

As you know, it's even higher than this proof I have posted for you many times and you continue to ignore. As you always do with FACTS!

Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

Why don't you save me the trouble and just post this on all your FAKE gun rants?

Oh dear, more BS from the Daily Fail online. FYI the definition of Violent crime differs between each country mentioned. about 50% of UK "violent" crimes would be recorded a "misdemenors" in the USA. Hold on, Chris Grayling, shadow Home Secretary? How old is this article...2009, got it. 2 years after the Conservatives were kicked out and before Labour policies on crime had time to take effect.

Its worse than that, its The Sun.

 

[Vagabond63]

40 years of actual research into defensive gun use....by government and private researchers...including the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, and just about every other anti gun organization there is.....and they came up with the following numbers ....the CDC puts the number at 1.1 million, the Department of Justice research puts the number at 1.5 million...both studies done to refute the Kleck research, and they both failed because using their own methods, they also found dramatically high instances of gun self defense.......

Well if you look at your sources, they all come from the long discredited Kleck paper that is still cited by the pro-gun lobby regardless. the CDC never said 1.1 million DGUs, still awaiting proof,

 

[Vagabond63]

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Your country has illegal guns....criminals use those guns...so please, tell us which gun control law keeps them from walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?

Dumb luck stopping 4 mass public shooters does not mean you have effective gun control....

Wonder how many mass public shootings have been stopped by dumb luck in the USA? As for "criminals walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?" They tend not to, even in America; it's the "law abiding citizens" that own guns legally that tend to do this. Analysis | More than 50 years of U.S. mass shootings: The victims, sites, killers and weapons

Our gun laws make it very difficult for someon with a grudge to go to a school, a mall, a church or a synagogue or mosque and shoot innocent people. One mass shooting in a decade as opposed to 30-40 every ten years means our gun control works.

 

[Vagabond63]

The VAST majority of violent crime in the U.S. is committed in very localized areas. Inner cities where Blacks kill other Blacks is what skews any U.S. violent crime stats. Stay of the these pockets of poor, violent areas which are spread out across our huge nation, and you will be mostly safe. Every city in America has this problem, and they all have very strict gun control laws, yet more murders happen there than anywhere else.

Answer the question why the Black Community in the U.S. is more violent than anyone else and you will help reduce violence overall.

I agree, the answer to gun violence is not "more guns"; it's like saying "quick, use the gasoline to put out the fire," madness.

 

[Vagabond63]

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Your country has illegal guns....criminals use those guns...so please, tell us which gun control law keeps them from walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?

Dumb luck stopping 4 mass public shooters does not mean you have effective gun control....

You are a joke. Four incidents that nearly happened over 10 years against four incidents a week.
Yup, gun control isnt working is it ?

How many have been killed in London my knives or machetes?

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Why are you so complacent about violent crime being so high in your country and such a small country?

As you know, it's even higher than this proof I have posted for you many times and you continue to ignore. As you always do with FACTS!

Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

Why don't you save me the trouble and just post this on all your FAKE gun rants?

Oh dear, more BS from the Daily Fail online. FYI the definition of Violent crime differs between each country mentioned. about 50% of UK "violent" crimes would be recorded a "misdemenors" in the USA. Hold on, Chris Grayling, shadow Home Secretary? How old is this article...2009, got it. 2 years after the Conservatives were kicked out and before Labour policies on crime had time to take effect.

Its worse than that, its The Sun.

I though the link was to the "Torygraph", but it makes no difference, The Mail, the Telegraph and the Sun have been cited as the three most unreliable sources of information and factual accuracy over the last 3 years (at least)

 

[Pilot1]

I agree, the answer to gun violence is not "more guns"; it's like saying "quick, use the gasoline to put out the fire," madness.

That's an ABSURD analogy. Humans cause violence, and often cause fires whether it be with gasoline, or any other TOOL. The tool does not cause the problem. People do. Take responsibility humans! Does your fork cause you to be fat?

 

[Vagabond63]

I agree, the answer to gun violence is not "more guns"; it's like saying "quick, use the gasoline to put out the fire," madness.

That's an ABSURD analogy. Humans cause violence, and often cause fires whether it be with gasoline, or any other TOOL. The tool does not cause the problem. People do. Take responsibility humans! Does your fork cause you to be fat?

Maybe, but it's still valid. Perhaps organisations like the CDC should be allowed to conduct proper research into the causes of gun violence.

 

[Pilot1]

Maybe, but it's still valid. Perhaps organisations like the CDC should be allowed to conduct proper research into the causes of gun violence.

We already know what causes the vast majority of violent crime, and murder, but its not PC to say, so the politicians are scared of it. Black men shooting each other over drugs, turf, rep, street cred, whatever.

When did the MEDIA exchange "Gang Violence" for "Gun Violence"? When was the last time you heard that term in the "news"? They purposely did that maybe 15 or 20 years ago to take responsibility away form the PERSON, and transfer it onto the gun. Why?

The intent is to only remove legally owned, and responsibly used guns from the law abiding citizen. That's all. When you realize that things become much more clear.

 

[2aguy]

I agree, the answer to gun violence is not "more guns"; it's like saying "quick, use the gasoline to put out the fire," madness.

That's an ABSURD analogy. Humans cause violence, and often cause fires whether it be with gasoline, or any other TOOL. The tool does not cause the problem. People do. Take responsibility humans! Does your fork cause you to be fat?

Maybe, but it's still valid. Perhaps organisations like the CDC should be allowed to conduct proper research into the causes of gun violence.

They can and have been doing gun research, they were only stopped from advocating for gun confiscation.....

No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence

Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.


Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.

Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.

And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.

In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.

It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.

Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.

The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.

Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.

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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.

 

[2aguy]

40 years of actual research into defensive gun use....by government and private researchers...including the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, and just about every other anti gun organization there is.....and they came up with the following numbers ....the CDC puts the number at 1.1 million, the Department of Justice research puts the number at 1.5 million...both studies done to refute the Kleck research, and they both failed because using their own methods, they also found dramatically high instances of gun self defense.......

Well if you look at your sources, they all come from the long discredited Kleck paper that is still cited by the pro-gun lobby regardless. the CDC never said 1.1 million DGUs, still awaiting proof,

Again, it is more than Dr. Kleck's research, it is over 40 years of both private and government research attempting to refute Kleck's work....and failing.......

First, the CDC data that they hid.....

Revised paper

What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses? by Gary Kleck :: SSRN



Abstract
In 1996, 1997, and 1998, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) conducted large-scale surveys asking about defensive gun use (DGU) in four to seven states. Analysis of the raw data allows the estimation of the prevalence of DGU for those areas. Data pertaining to the same sets of states from the 1993 National Self-Defense Survey (Kleck and Gertz 1995) allow these results to be extrapolated to the U.S. as a whole. CDC’s survey data confirm previous high estimates of DGU prevalence, disconfirm estimates derived from the National Crime Victimization Survey, and indicate that defensive uses of guns by crime victims are far more common than offensive uses by criminals. CDC has never reported these results.

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Reason article on the revised paper..



A Second Look at a Controversial Study About Defensive Gun Use



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Original version before he went back to revise it...

The actual paper by Kleck revealing the CDC hiding data..



SSRN Electronic Library

The timing of CDC’s addition of a DGU question to the BRFSS is of some interest. Prior to 1996, the BRFSS had never included a question about DGU. Kleck and Gertz (1995) conducted their survey in February through April 1993, presented their estimate that there were over 2 million DGUs in 1992 at the annual meetings of the American Society of Criminology in November 1994, and published it in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology in the Fall of 1995. CDC added a DGU question to the BRFSS the very first year they could do so after that 1995 publication, in the 1996 edition. CDC was not the only federal agency during the Clinton administration to field a survey addressing the prevalence of DGU at that particular time. The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) financed a national survey devoting even more detailed attention to estimating DGU prevalence, which was fielded in November and December 1994, just months after preliminary results of the 1993 Kleck/Gertz survey became known. Neither CDC nor NIJ had ever financed research into DGU before 1996. Perhaps there was just “something in the air” that motivated the two agencies to suddenly decide in 1994 to address the topic. Another interpretation, however, is that fielding of the surveys was triggered by the Kleck/Gertz findings that DGU was common, and that these agencies hoped to obtain lower DGU prevalence estimates than those obtained by Kleck/Gertz. Low estimates would have implied fewer beneficial uses of firearms, results that would have been far more congenial to the strongly pro-control positions of the Clinton administration.

CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns



Kleck's new paper—"What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?"—finds that the agency had asked about DGUs in its Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System in 1996, 1997, and 1998.

Those polls, Kleck writes,

are high-quality telephone surveys of enormous probability samples of U.S. adults, asking about a wide range of health-related topics. Those that addressed DGU asked more people about this topic than any other surveys conducted before or since. For example, the 1996 survey asked the DGU question of 5,484 people. The next-largest number questioned about DGU was 4,977 by Kleck and Gertz (1995), and sample sizes were much smaller in all the rest of surveys on the topic (Kleck 2001).

Kleck was impressed with how well the survey worded its question: "During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?" Respondents were told to leave out incidents from occupations, like policing, where using firearms is part of the job. Kleck is impressed with how the question excludes animals but includes DGUs outside the home as well as within it.

Kleck is less impressed with the fact that the question was only asked of people who admitted to owning guns in their home earlier in the survey, and that they asked no follow-up questions regarding the specific nature of the DGU incident.

From Kleck's own surveys, he found that only 79 percent of those who reported a DGU "had also reported a gun in their household at the time of the interview," so he thinks whatever numbers the CDC found need to be revised upward to account for that. (Kleck speculates that CDC showed a sudden interest in the question of DGUs starting in 1996 because Kleck's own famous/notorious survey had been published in 1995.)

At any rate, Kleck downloaded the datasets for those three years and found that the "weighted percent who reported a DGU...was 1.3% in 1996, 0.9% in 1997, 1.0% in 1998, and 1.07% in all three surveys combined."





Kleck figures if you do the adjustment upward he thinks necessary for those who had DGU incidents without personally owning a gun in the home at the time of the survey, and then the adjustment downward he thinks necessary because CDC didn't do detailed follow-ups to confirm the nature of the incident, you get 1.24 percent, a close match to his own 1.326 percent figure.

He concludes that the small difference between his estimate and the CDC's "can be attributed to declining rates of violent crime, which accounts for most DGUs. With fewer occasions for self-defense in the form of violent victimizations, one would expect fewer DGUs."

Kleck further details how much these CDC surveys confirmed his own controversial work:

The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense.



This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)....CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals.

And the rest of the research....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[2aguy]

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Your country has illegal guns....criminals use those guns...so please, tell us which gun control law keeps them from walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?

Dumb luck stopping 4 mass public shooters does not mean you have effective gun control....

Wonder how many mass public shootings have been stopped by dumb luck in the USA? As for "criminals walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?" They tend not to, even in America; it's the "law abiding citizens" that own guns legally that tend to do this. Analysis | More than 50 years of U.S. mass shootings: The victims, sites, killers and weapons

Our gun laws make it very difficult for someon with a grudge to go to a school, a mall, a church or a synagogue or mosque and shoot innocent people. One mass shooting in a decade as opposed to 30-40 every ten years means our gun control works.

Wrong...you have an increasing flow of illegal guns flooding Britain, you have teenagers stabbing each other to death in record numbers, so you are about to experience gun crime like you haven't experienced it before.....

Law abiding citizens are not shooting people...... our schools are gun free zones created by people like you, leaving those in those places helpless while they are being murdered...meanwhile, actual research shows that armed citizens are 94% effective against mass public shooters in stopping them or reducing deaths and injuries...you will want to keep that statistic at hand in the next few years in Britain....you are going to need it....

 

[2aguy]

The VAST majority of violent crime in the U.S. is committed in very localized areas. Inner cities where Blacks kill other Blacks is what skews any U.S. violent crime stats. Stay of the these pockets of poor, violent areas which are spread out across our huge nation, and you will be mostly safe. Every city in America has this problem, and they all have very strict gun control laws, yet more murders happen there than anywhere else.

Answer the question why the Black Community in the U.S. is more violent than anyone else and you will help reduce violence overall.

I agree, the answer to gun violence is not "more guns"; it's like saying "quick, use the gasoline to put out the fire," madness.

Ever hear of a Back Fire to stop a forest fire, you doofus?


Except for the victims who use guns to save themselves from criminals...you mean except for that......

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Your country has illegal guns....criminals use those guns...so please, tell us which gun control law keeps them from walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?

Dumb luck stopping 4 mass public shooters does not mean you have effective gun control....

Wonder how many mass public shootings have been stopped by dumb luck in the USA? As for "criminals walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?" They tend not to, even in America; it's the "law abiding citizens" that own guns legally that tend to do this. Analysis | More than 50 years of U.S. mass shootings: The victims, sites, killers and weapons

Our gun laws make it very difficult for someon with a grudge to go to a school, a mall, a church or a synagogue or mosque and shoot innocent people. One mass shooting in a decade as opposed to 30-40 every ten years means our gun control works.

Wrong...you have an increasing flow of illegal guns flooding Britain, you have teenagers stabbing each other to death in record numbers, so you are about to experience gun crime like you haven't experienced it before.....

Law abiding citizens are not shooting people...... our schools are gun free zones created by people like you, leaving those in those places helpless while they are being murdered...meanwhile, actual research shows that armed citizens are 94% effective against mass public shooters in stopping them or reducing deaths and injuries...you will want to keep that statistic at hand in the next few years in Britain....you are going to need it....

I dream of the day when we are as safe as the US. Said nobody ever.

 

[2aguy]

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Your country has illegal guns....criminals use those guns...so please, tell us which gun control law keeps them from walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?

Dumb luck stopping 4 mass public shooters does not mean you have effective gun control....

Wonder how many mass public shootings have been stopped by dumb luck in the USA? As for "criminals walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?" They tend not to, even in America; it's the "law abiding citizens" that own guns legally that tend to do this. Analysis | More than 50 years of U.S. mass shootings: The victims, sites, killers and weapons

Our gun laws make it very difficult for someon with a grudge to go to a school, a mall, a church or a synagogue or mosque and shoot innocent people. One mass shooting in a decade as opposed to 30-40 every ten years means our gun control works.

Wrong...you have an increasing flow of illegal guns flooding Britain, you have teenagers stabbing each other to death in record numbers, so you are about to experience gun crime like you haven't experienced it before.....

Law abiding citizens are not shooting people...... our schools are gun free zones created by people like you, leaving those in those places helpless while they are being murdered...meanwhile, actual research shows that armed citizens are 94% effective against mass public shooters in stopping them or reducing deaths and injuries...you will want to keep that statistic at hand in the next few years in Britain....you are going to need it....

I dream of the day when we are as safe as the US. Said nobody ever.

Your country is more violent than the U.S.....and here, our violence is contained to tiny areas in democrat party controlled neighborhoods....you, your crime is all over your country, and getting worse....

 

[Desperado]

no one is mentioning the increase in muslim immigrants?
How strange!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

1) you average about one mass public shooting every 10 years, even after you banned guns. In fact, you almost had 4 in the last few years which is an escalation
Pissing myself laughing at this. Clearly our gun control makes us less safe than the US.

Your country has illegal guns....criminals use those guns...so please, tell us which gun control law keeps them from walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?

Dumb luck stopping 4 mass public shooters does not mean you have effective gun control....

Wonder how many mass public shootings have been stopped by dumb luck in the USA? As for "criminals walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?" They tend not to, even in America; it's the "law abiding citizens" that own guns legally that tend to do this. Analysis | More than 50 years of U.S. mass shootings: The victims, sites, killers and weapons

Our gun laws make it very difficult for someon with a grudge to go to a school, a mall, a church or a synagogue or mosque and shoot innocent people. One mass shooting in a decade as opposed to 30-40 every ten years means our gun control works.

Wrong...you have an increasing flow of illegal guns flooding Britain, you have teenagers stabbing each other to death in record numbers, so you are about to experience gun crime like you haven't experienced it before.....

Law abiding citizens are not shooting people...... our schools are gun free zones created by people like you, leaving those in those places helpless while they are being murdered...meanwhile, actual research shows that armed citizens are 94% effective against mass public shooters in stopping them or reducing deaths and injuries...you will want to keep that statistic at hand in the next few years in Britain....you are going to need it....

I dream of the day when we are as safe as the US. Said nobody ever.

Your country is more violent than the U.S.....and here, our violence is contained to tiny areas in democrat party controlled neighborhoods....you, your crime is all over your country, and getting worse....

So when will our murder rates come down to US levels ?

 

[2aguy]

Your country has illegal guns....criminals use those guns...so please, tell us which gun control law keeps them from walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?

Dumb luck stopping 4 mass public shooters does not mean you have effective gun control....

Wonder how many mass public shootings have been stopped by dumb luck in the USA? As for "criminals walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?" They tend not to, even in America; it's the "law abiding citizens" that own guns legally that tend to do this. Analysis | More than 50 years of U.S. mass shootings: The victims, sites, killers and weapons

Our gun laws make it very difficult for someon with a grudge to go to a school, a mall, a church or a synagogue or mosque and shoot innocent people. One mass shooting in a decade as opposed to 30-40 every ten years means our gun control works.

Wrong...you have an increasing flow of illegal guns flooding Britain, you have teenagers stabbing each other to death in record numbers, so you are about to experience gun crime like you haven't experienced it before.....

Law abiding citizens are not shooting people...... our schools are gun free zones created by people like you, leaving those in those places helpless while they are being murdered...meanwhile, actual research shows that armed citizens are 94% effective against mass public shooters in stopping them or reducing deaths and injuries...you will want to keep that statistic at hand in the next few years in Britain....you are going to need it....

I dream of the day when we are as safe as the US. Said nobody ever.

Your country is more violent than the U.S.....and here, our violence is contained to tiny areas in democrat party controlled neighborhoods....you, your crime is all over your country, and getting worse....

So when will our murder rates come down to US levels ?

Given time.....you might just see it one day......your police are over stretched, your young men are more violent after decades of single teenage mothers heading households.......and guns flooding your country.... thanks to left wing policies....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Wonder how many mass public shootings have been stopped by dumb luck in the USA? As for "criminals walking into a school, a mall, a church and shooting people?" They tend not to, even in America; it's the "law abiding citizens" that own guns legally that tend to do this. Analysis | More than 50 years of U.S. mass shootings: The victims, sites, killers and weapons

Our gun laws make it very difficult for someon with a grudge to go to a school, a mall, a church or a synagogue or mosque and shoot innocent people. One mass shooting in a decade as opposed to 30-40 every ten years means our gun control works.

Wrong...you have an increasing flow of illegal guns flooding Britain, you have teenagers stabbing each other to death in record numbers, so you are about to experience gun crime like you haven't experienced it before.....

Law abiding citizens are not shooting people...... our schools are gun free zones created by people like you, leaving those in those places helpless while they are being murdered...meanwhile, actual research shows that armed citizens are 94% effective against mass public shooters in stopping them or reducing deaths and injuries...you will want to keep that statistic at hand in the next few years in Britain....you are going to need it....

I dream of the day when we are as safe as the US. Said nobody ever.

Your country is more violent than the U.S.....and here, our violence is contained to tiny areas in democrat party controlled neighborhoods....you, your crime is all over your country, and getting worse....

So when will our murder rates come down to US levels ?

Given time.....you might just see it one day......your police are over stretched, your young men are more violent after decades of single teenage mothers heading households.......and guns flooding your country.... thanks to left wing policies....

We have had a conservative government for 8 years. The rise in crime has coincided with their cuts to policing and community services. You know nothing about the UK, or anything else really.

 

[Markle]

Oh dear, more BS from the Daily Fail online. FYI the definition of Violent crime differs between each country mentioned. about 50% of UK "violent" crimes would be recorded a "misdemenors" in the USA. Hold on, Chris Grayling, shadow Home Secretary? How old is this article...2009, got it. 2 years after the Conservatives were kicked out and before Labour policies on crime had time to take effect.

I'm sure you simply forgot to provide your reliable source and link to this valuable information. Thank you for providing them for us now.

As you know too, crime in Great Britain and many European countries have skyrocketed in recent years due to their "open-border" policies.

 

[Markle]

40 years of actual research into defensive gun use....by government and private researchers...including the Centers for Disease Control, the Department of Justice, and just about every other anti gun organization there is.....and they came up with the following numbers ....the CDC puts the number at 1.1 million, the Department of Justice research puts the number at 1.5 million...both studies done to refute the Kleck research, and they both failed because using their own methods, they also found dramatically high instances of gun self defense.......

Well if you look at your sources, they all come from the long discredited Kleck paper that is still cited by the pro-gun lobby regardless. the CDC never said 1.1 million DGUs, still awaiting proof,

Do you report a crime that did not happen? Do you report when you commit a crime? I didn't think so.

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth