Very interesting article

[docmauser1]

Israel isn't interested in any peace that involves a Palestinian state.

Palistanians aren't interested in a state, of course.

 

[Lipush]

The US does not have a base in israel, so would you agree it is not a "STRATEGIC location"

Because the US and Israel operate together with full law/military Co-op when necessary.
FBI work in Israel, I belive intelligence agencies as well..
This is the difference between alliance and trust.

What about the Pollard affair?

If USA and Israel have the same interests, why does Israel spy on the USA?

Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And what about the Lavon affair?

If Israel and the USA have the same interests, why did Israel try to kill American citizens and blame it on Arabs?

In March 2005, Israel publicly honored the surviving terrorists, and President Moshe Katsav presented each with a certificate of appreciation for their efforts on behalf of the state, ending decades of official denial by Israel.[3]

Lavon Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Israel and USA have the same interests, why did Israeli president honour the surviving terrorists who tried to kill Americans?

And what about the attack on USS-Liberty?


USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All survivors of the incident are sure that the attack was not a mistake, it was a deliberate attack.

Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote:

I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous.[67]

Retired naval Lieutenant Commander James Ennes, a junior officer (and off-going Officer of the Deck) on Liberty's bridge at the time of the attack, authored a book titled Assault on the Liberty describing the incident during the Six Day War in June 1967 and saying, among other things, it was deliberate.[68] Ennes and Joe Meadors, also survivors of the attack, run a website about the incident.[69] Meadors states that the classification of the attack as deliberate is the official policy of the USS Liberty Veterans Association,[70] to which survivors and other former crew members belong. Other survivors run several additional websites. Citing Ennes's book, Lenczowski notes: Liberty's personnel received firm orders not to say anything to anybody about the attack, and the naval inquiry was conducted in such a way as to earn it the name of "coverup".[55]
...


In 2002, Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, U.S. Navy, senior counsel for the Court of Inquiry, said that the Court of Inquiry's findings were intended to cover up what was a deliberate attack by Israel on a ship it knew to be American. In 2004, in response to the publication of Jay Cristol's book The Liberty Incident, which Boston said was an "insidious attempt to whitewash the facts" he prepared and signed an affidavit in which he said that Admiral Kidd had told him that the government ordered Kidd to falsely report that the attack was a mistake, and that he and Kidd both believed the attack was deliberate.[71] On the issue Boston wrote, in part:

The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as 'murderous bastards.' It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, but it seems that in the "special relation" between the USA and Israel the interests of Zionists seem to prevail.

Seriously?

USA spies on most of its 'friends', and you bring the Pollard crap?

How many spies in Israel there were who didn't get nailed.

Puuu-leeeaz.

 

[Art__Allm]

Do you think the United States and other countries with such capabilities do NOT spy on everyone else? Of course they do!!

Can you name any American who was imprisoned in Israel for spying?

About the naval incident, there was never any proof that the Israelis knew this was one of ours.

All members of the crew are sure that it was the case. There was a big American flag on the ship, and the crew members could even see the faces of Israeli pilots, and they even hailed to each others.

BTW, why did you ignore the Lavon Affaire I have mentioned?

Israel first denied that it was involved in this false flag operation, but then Israeli president honoured the terrorists who planned to kill Americans and blame it on Arabs.

 

[Art__Allm]

Another thing, we atomic bombed Japan, and THEY are our allies.

That is crazy logic!
If America will be bombed and decimated in the next war and submitted, then what will be left of America will also be the "allies" of the winners.

Of course our government doesn't tell us EVERYTHING.

Sound like a totalitarian regime to me. In a democracy the government is obliged to tell the truth to the voters.

 

[ChrisL]

Another thing, we atomic bombed Japan, and THEY are our allies.

That is crazy logic!
If America will be bombed and decimated in the next war and submitted, then what will be left of America will also be the "allies" of the winners.

Of course our government doesn't tell us EVERYTHING.

Sound like a totalitarian regime to me. In a democracy the government is obliged to tell the truth to the voters.

We won't because we have the strongest military in the world, and we plan to keep it that way.

 

[Art__Allm]

There is more proof that it matched the Egyptian fleet as they used the same second hand WW2 freighters to be naval vessels. It was a common vessel used by many of the worlds navies in various roles, many hundreds built during WW2 so they were surplus when the war ended.

No, the Egyptian ship was many times smaller, and the USS-Liberty had a huge American flag.
The Israeli pilots could even see the faces of the American crew members, and they knew that there are no European looking crew members on a Egyptian ship.

All these silly excuses were debunked by the survivors of USS-Liberty, and even Dean Rusk, the former Secretary of State, was sure that this was a deliberate attack, planned as a false flag operation, to involve USA in a war against Egypt.

It was just a miracle that the ship did not sink, and if it sunk, then this crime would have been blamed on Egyptians and USA would have bombed Cairo, and that may have triggered WWIII.

 

[ChrisL]

Do you think the United States and other countries with such capabilities do NOT spy on everyone else? Of course they do!!

Can you name any American who was imprisoned in Israel for spying?

About the naval incident, there was never any proof that the Israelis knew this was one of ours.

All members of the crew are sure that it was the case. There was a big American flag on the ship, and the crew members could even see the faces of Israeli pilots, and they even hailed to each others.

BTW, why did you ignore the Lavon Affaire I have mentioned?

Israel first denied that it was involved in this false flag operation, but then Israeli president honoured the terrorists who planned to kill Americans and blame it on Arabs.

And . . . how long ago was that? Lol! You're excuses for your antisemitic attitude are funny! Like I said, name ONE country that has not done questionable things. ALL countries do these things. You are just foolish if you think otherwise.

 

[ChrisL]

Because the US and Israel operate together with full law/military Co-op when necessary.
FBI work in Israel, I belive intelligence agencies as well..
This is the difference between alliance and trust.

What about the Pollard affair?

If USA and Israel have the same interests, why does Israel spy on the USA?

Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And what about the Lavon affair?

If Israel and the USA have the same interests, why did Israel try to kill American citizens and blame it on Arabs?



If Israel and USA have the same interests, why did Israeli president honour the surviving terrorists who tried to kill Americans?

And what about the attack on USS-Liberty?


USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All survivors of the incident are sure that the attack was not a mistake, it was a deliberate attack.

Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote:

I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous.[67]

Retired naval Lieutenant Commander James Ennes, a junior officer (and off-going Officer of the Deck) on Liberty's bridge at the time of the attack, authored a book titled Assault on the Liberty describing the incident during the Six Day War in June 1967 and saying, among other things, it was deliberate.[68] Ennes and Joe Meadors, also survivors of the attack, run a website about the incident.[69] Meadors states that the classification of the attack as deliberate is the official policy of the USS Liberty Veterans Association,[70] to which survivors and other former crew members belong. Other survivors run several additional websites. Citing Ennes's book, Lenczowski notes: Liberty's personnel received firm orders not to say anything to anybody about the attack, and the naval inquiry was conducted in such a way as to earn it the name of "coverup".[55]
...


In 2002, Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, U.S. Navy, senior counsel for the Court of Inquiry, said that the Court of Inquiry's findings were intended to cover up what was a deliberate attack by Israel on a ship it knew to be American. In 2004, in response to the publication of Jay Cristol's book The Liberty Incident, which Boston said was an "insidious attempt to whitewash the facts" he prepared and signed an affidavit in which he said that Admiral Kidd had told him that the government ordered Kidd to falsely report that the attack was a mistake, and that he and Kidd both believed the attack was deliberate.[71] On the issue Boston wrote, in part:

The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 172 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. Each evening, after hearing testimony all day, we often spoke our private thoughts concerning what we had seen and heard. I recall Admiral Kidd repeatedly referring to the Israeli forces responsible for the attack as 'murderous bastards.' It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident.

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, but it seems that in the "special relation" between the USA and Israel the interests of Zionists seem to prevail.

Seriously?

USA spies on most of its 'friends', and you bring the Pollard crap?

How many spies in Israel there were who didn't get nailed.

Puuu-leeeaz.

ALL countries with the capabilities do this. It is nothing new. It is called "intelligence gathering."

 

[Art__Allm]

We won't because we have the strongest military in the world, and we plan to keep it that way.

Well, that is not the point of my argument, and you know that.
And all strong powers eventually collapse, no matter what plans they have.

USA is going down the drain, like it was predicted by Richard Nixon.

I can't ever say that, but I believe it.
Responding to Rev. Billy Graham's assertion that the Jews have a "stranglehold" on the media that "has to be broken or the country's going down the drain." Quoted in The New Yorker (15 April 2002)

Richard Nixon - Wikiquote

If an American president is afraid of saying what he believes in, then he is just a pathetic puppet of the lobbies he is so afraid of.

 

[Art__Allm]

You have ignored the qeustion about American spies that are imprisioned in Israel, and that speaks volumes

And . . . how long ago was that? Lol!

Does that matter?
Does anybody ask the question: "how many years ago Jews were put into concentration cams?"

What to the Lavon Affair, 9 years ago the Israeli president honoured the surviving terrorists who tried to kill Americans and blame it on Arabs:

In March 2005, Israel publicly honored the surviving terrorists, and President Moshe Katsav presented each with a certificate of appreciation for their efforts on behalf of the state, ending decades of official denial by Israel.[3]

Lavon Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're excuses for your antisemitic attitude are funny!

I am pro-Semitic, but Zionism has nothing to do with Semitism.

Do you have any valid counter-arguments?

 

[danny30]

Talking about war crimes, even the Palestinian human rights councilor says that Hamas are guilty of double war crimes.

www[dot]inquisitr.com/1408611/hamas-guilty-of-double-war-crimes-says-palestinian-u-n-human-rights-council-ambassador-video/#cPA1CP0FWLgelkFg.99

 

[theliq]

They will always find an excuse to blame Israel, they have too much hatred to accept facts.

Funny that you should say that Danny boy,considering Israeli Jews are some of the MOST HATEFUL people on earth

 

[theliq]

Fanger, I am going on the article he posted which clearly shows that what he is saying is true. It is not just a theory but is backed up with pictorial evidence that proves what he is saying.
Ironically by trying to discredit him and not the article itself, you have further shown YOUR true colours and that you are not willing to look at any facts that don't suit your anti-Israel agenda. Can you please give me proof that the article is a lie instead of concentrating on who wrote it? I bet not.

Danny you live in Israel,and are an apologist for everything Israel...totally bias and unbalanced in everything you say....are anti semetic (as Palestinians and only Shepardic Jews are Semetic peoples) most of the posters should take your posts and thoughts with a grain of Salt.

I believe you are a Zionist and live by that Terrorist Organizations Mantra. Unlike you I believe in a Free and Peaceful Israel and Palestine.......and to enlighten you,I shall tell you MOST ISRAELI JEWS are NOT SEMETIC PEOPLES at all.

 

[theliq]

Fanger, I am going on the article he posted which clearly shows that what he is saying is true. It is not just a theory but is backed up with pictorial evidence that proves what he is saying.
Ironically by trying to discredit him and not the article itself, you have further shown YOUR true colours and that you are not willing to look at any facts that don't suit your anti-Israel agenda. Can you please give me proof that the article is a lie instead of concentrating on who wrote it? I bet not.

Danny you live in Israel,and are an apologist for everything Israel...totally bias and unbalanced in everything you say....are anti semetic (as Palestinians and only Shepardic Jews are Semetic peoples) most of the posters should take your posts and thoughts with a grain of Salt.

I believe you are a Zionist and live by that Terrorist Organizations Mantra. Unlike you I believe in a Free and Peaceful Israel and Palestine.......and to enlighten you,I shall tell you MOST ISRAELI JEWS are NOT SEMETIC PEOPLE/S at all.

 

[theliq]

ChrisL, et al,

I agree, with "ChrisL" and "danny30" --- it is well worth the reading time; even if you disagree with the implications.

A very interesting article that shows the lie about the Palestinian school bombing last week and the UN workers complicit involvement in the deception.

www[dot]thomaswictor.com/two-pallywood-duds/

I certainly don't doubt it, and I agree with a lot of the article.

The Palestinians have been involved in propaganda for some time now. I wonder if the people who defend them feel like pushovers? They should because they are being played.

Besides, it is virtually impossible to conduct a war without civilian casualties. That is the name of the game. If the Palestinians do not wish for their people to be blown to smithereens, then perhaps they should rethink their charter and their aggressive nature.

However, to me, it is quite obvious that the Hamas leadership is not at ALL concerned with civilian casualties unless it benefits them in the eyes of the international community. Disgusting savages.

(COMMENT)

Merely Shows your total Ignorance

Yes, I agree! It is virtually impossible to conduct such a conflict without the reasonable expectation of casualties in civilians.

Many believe that HAMAS assigns no importance to civilian casualties; other than for the propaganda value. But, that is a matter of debate. HAMAS claims otherwise.

Understanding the reality of both sides is required to determine if the conflict is essential or optional for the "inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace." [A/RES/217A(III)]

Most Respectfully,
R

From everything that I've read and heard, I feel that Hamas are the main aggressors, that Israel has even tried to be helpful in the past and currently to the Palestinian citizens. They always break the cease fires, they've destroyed or consumed goods that were meant for the citizens, they use them as human shields (come on, there is NO defending that), etc.

 

[theliq]

ChrisL, et al,

I agree, with "ChrisL" and "danny30" --- it is well worth the reading time; even if you disagree with the implications.

A very interesting article that shows the lie about the Palestinian school bombing last week and the UN workers complicit involvement in the deception.

www[dot]thomaswictor.com/two-pallywood-duds/

I certainly don't doubt it, and I agree with a lot of the article.

The Palestinians have been involved in propaganda for some time now. I wonder if the people who defend them feel like pushovers? They should because they are being played.

Besides, it is virtually impossible to conduct a war without civilian casualties. That is the name of the game. If the Palestinians do not wish for their people to be blown to smithereens, then perhaps they should rethink their charter and their aggressive nature.

However, to me, it is quite obvious that the Hamas leadership is not at ALL concerned with civilian casualties unless it benefits them in the eyes of the international community. Disgusting savages.

Yes, I agree! It is virtually impossible to conduct such a conflict without the reasonable expectation of casualties in civilians.

Many believe that HAMAS assigns no importance to civilian casualties; other than for the propaganda value. But, that is a matter of debate. HAMAS claims otherwise.

Understanding the reality of both sides is required to determine if the conflict is essential or optional for the "inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace." [A/RES/217A(III)]

Most Respectfully,
R

From everything that I've read and heard, I feel that Hamas are the main aggressors, that Israel has even tried to be helpful in the past and currently to the Palestinian citizens. They always break the cease fires, they've destroyed or consumed goods that were meant for the citizens, they use them as human shields (come on, there is NO defending that), etc.

Yet another Ignorant Comment.....you people live by sound-bytes but have NO deep understanding of Pal/Israeli history at all......it's like dealing with Cretins...where is Marg., at least she has knowledge of the subject matter.steve

 

[ChrisL]

ChrisL, et al,

I agree, with "ChrisL" and "danny30" --- it is well worth the reading time; even if you disagree with the implications.

A very interesting article that shows the lie about the Palestinian school bombing last week and the UN workers complicit involvement in the deception.

www[dot]thomaswictor.com/two-pallywood-duds/

I certainly don't doubt it, and I agree with a lot of the article.

The Palestinians have been involved in propaganda for some time now. I wonder if the people who defend them feel like pushovers? They should because they are being played.

Besides, it is virtually impossible to conduct a war without civilian casualties. That is the name of the game. If the Palestinians do not wish for their people to be blown to smithereens, then perhaps they should rethink their charter and their aggressive nature.

However, to me, it is quite obvious that the Hamas leadership is not at ALL concerned with civilian casualties unless it benefits them in the eyes of the international community. Disgusting savages.

Yes, I agree! It is virtually impossible to conduct such a conflict without the reasonable expectation of casualties in civilians.

Many believe that HAMAS assigns no importance to civilian casualties; other than for the propaganda value. But, that is a matter of debate. HAMAS claims otherwise.

Understanding the reality of both sides is required to determine if the conflict is essential or optional for the "inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace." [A/RES/217A(III)]

Most Respectfully,
R

From everything that I've read and heard, I feel that Hamas are the main aggressors, that Israel has even tried to be helpful in the past and currently to the Palestinian citizens. They always break the cease fires, they've destroyed or consumed goods that were meant for the citizens, they use them as human shields (come on, there is NO defending that), etc.

Yet another Ignorant Comment.....you people live by sound-bytes but have NO deep understanding of Pal/Israeli history at all......it's like dealing with Cretins...where is Marg., at least she has knowledge of the subject matter.steve

Sure I do, and I know quite a bit about Hamas and how they murder their own people too, have children fighting on their behalf, and MANY other atrocities.

 

[theliq]

ChrisL, et al,

I agree, with "ChrisL" and "danny30" --- it is well worth the reading time; even if you disagree with the implications.

A very interesting article that shows the lie about the Palestinian school bombing last week and the UN workers complicit involvement in the deception.

www[dot]thomaswictor.com/two-pallywood-duds/

I certainly don't doubt it, and I agree with a lot of the article.

The Palestinians have been involved in propaganda for some time now. I wonder if the people who defend them feel like pushovers? They should because they are being played.

Besides, it is virtually impossible to conduct a war without civilian casualties. That is the name of the game. If the Palestinians do not wish for their people to be blown to smithereens, then perhaps they should rethink their charter and their aggressive nature.

However, to me, it is quite obvious that the Hamas leadership is not at ALL concerned with civilian casualties unless it benefits them in the eyes of the international community. Disgusting savages.

Yes, I agree! It is virtually impossible to conduct such a conflict without the reasonable expectation of casualties in civilians.

Many believe that HAMAS assigns no importance to civilian casualties; other than for the propaganda value. But, that is a matter of debate. HAMAS claims otherwise.

Understanding the reality of both sides is required to determine if the conflict is essential or optional for the "inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace." [A/RES/217A(III)]

Most Respectfully,
R

From everything that I've read and heard, I feel that Hamas are the main aggressors, that Israel has even tried to be helpful in the past and currently to the Palestinian citizens. They always break the cease fires, they've destroyed or consumed goods that were meant for the citizens, they use them as human shields (come on, there is NO defending that), etc.

Yet another Ignorant Comment.....you people live by sound-bytes but have NO deep understanding of Pal/Israeli history at all......it's like dealing with Cretins...where is Marg., at least she has knowledge of the subject matter.steve

Sure I do, and I know quite a bit about Hamas and how they murder their own people too, have children fighting on their behalf, and MANY other atrocities.

S

ChrisL, et al,

I agree, with "ChrisL" and "danny30" --- it is well worth the reading time; even if you disagree with the implications.

A very interesting article that shows the lie about the Palestinian school bombing last week and the UN workers complicit involvement in the deception.

www[dot]thomaswictor.com/two-pallywood-duds/

I certainly don't doubt it, and I agree with a lot of the article.

The Palestinians have been involved in propaganda for some time now. I wonder if the people who defend them feel like pushovers? They should because they are being played.

Besides, it is virtually impossible to conduct a war without civilian casualties. That is the name of the game. If the Palestinians do not wish for their people to be blown to smithereens, then perhaps they should rethink their charter and their aggressive nature.

However, to me, it is quite obvious that the Hamas leadership is not at ALL concerned with civilian casualties unless it benefits them in the eyes of the international community. Disgusting savages.

Yes, I agree! It is virtually impossible to conduct such a conflict without the reasonable expectation of casualties in civilians.

Many believe that HAMAS assigns no importance to civilian casualties; other than for the propaganda value. But, that is a matter of debate. HAMAS claims otherwise.

Understanding the reality of both sides is required to determine if the conflict is essential or optional for the "inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace." [A/RES/217A(III)]

Most Respectfully,
R

From everything that I've read and heard, I feel that Hamas are the main aggressors, that Israel has even tried to be helpful in the past and currently to the Palestinian citizens. They always break the cease fires, they've destroyed or consumed goods that were meant for the citizens, they use them as human shields (come on, there is NO defending that), etc.

Yet another Ignorant Comment.....you people live by sound-bytes but have NO deep understanding of Pal/Israeli history at all......it's like dealing with Cretins...where is Marg., at least she has knowledge of the subject matter.steve

Sure I do, and I know quite a bit about Hamas and how they murder their own people too, have children fighting on their behalf, and MANY other atrocities.

The REAL FIGURES......DEATHS SINCE 2000-2014

Israelis....1184..................................................of which there have been .........132 Children

Palestinians......9075........................................of which there have been..........2045 Children

Since 1948 ......Israelis...10,849............Palestinian....69,602 These are Israeli Government figures

So since 2000 .......2045 Palestinian Children compared to a total of 1316 Israelis that have been killed......atrocious figures indeed.

Could you please tell me when Hamas(who I don't support in any way,infact quite the reverse)"Murdered other Palestinians" thanks.

You like most are full of shit,continue with your Hate......Not Peacemakers just cheapspeakers...the last time Israel had a Peacemaker was the X Commander in Chief of the IDF and PrimeMinister Mr Rabin(Fine man indeed)...?What happened to him.....The Jews ASSASINATED him.steve..Viva Israel,Viva Palestine

 

[SAYIT]

They will always find an excuse to blame Israel, they have too much hatred to accept facts.

Funny that you should say that Danny boy,considering Israeli Jews are some of the MOST HATEFUL people on earth

Your hate is duly noted ... again.

 

[ChrisL]

ChrisL, et al,

I agree, with "ChrisL" and "danny30" --- it is well worth the reading time; even if you disagree with the implications.

A very interesting article that shows the lie about the Palestinian school bombing last week and the UN workers complicit involvement in the deception.

www[dot]thomaswictor.com/two-pallywood-duds/

I certainly don't doubt it, and I agree with a lot of the article.

The Palestinians have been involved in propaganda for some time now. I wonder if the people who defend them feel like pushovers? They should because they are being played.

Besides, it is virtually impossible to conduct a war without civilian casualties. That is the name of the game. If the Palestinians do not wish for their people to be blown to smithereens, then perhaps they should rethink their charter and their aggressive nature.

However, to me, it is quite obvious that the Hamas leadership is not at ALL concerned with civilian casualties unless it benefits them in the eyes of the international community. Disgusting savages.

Yes, I agree! It is virtually impossible to conduct such a conflict without the reasonable expectation of casualties in civilians.

Many believe that HAMAS assigns no importance to civilian casualties; other than for the propaganda value. But, that is a matter of debate. HAMAS claims otherwise.

Understanding the reality of both sides is required to determine if the conflict is essential or optional for the "inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace." [A/RES/217A(III)]

Most Respectfully,
R

From everything that I've read and heard, I feel that Hamas are the main aggressors, that Israel has even tried to be helpful in the past and currently to the Palestinian citizens. They always break the cease fires, they've destroyed or consumed goods that were meant for the citizens, they use them as human shields (come on, there is NO defending that), etc.

Yet another Ignorant Comment.....you people live by sound-bytes but have NO deep understanding of Pal/Israeli history at all......it's like dealing with Cretins...where is Marg., at least she has knowledge of the subject matter.steve

Sure I do, and I know quite a bit about Hamas and how they murder their own people too, have children fighting on their behalf, and MANY other atrocities.

S

ChrisL, et al,

I agree, with "ChrisL" and "danny30" --- it is well worth the reading time; even if you disagree with the implications.

A very interesting article that shows the lie about the Palestinian school bombing last week and the UN workers complicit involvement in the deception.

www[dot]thomaswictor.com/two-pallywood-duds/

I certainly don't doubt it, and I agree with a lot of the article.

The Palestinians have been involved in propaganda for some time now. I wonder if the people who defend them feel like pushovers? They should because they are being played.

Besides, it is virtually impossible to conduct a war without civilian casualties. That is the name of the game. If the Palestinians do not wish for their people to be blown to smithereens, then perhaps they should rethink their charter and their aggressive nature.

However, to me, it is quite obvious that the Hamas leadership is not at ALL concerned with civilian casualties unless it benefits them in the eyes of the international community. Disgusting savages.

Yes, I agree! It is virtually impossible to conduct such a conflict without the reasonable expectation of casualties in civilians.

Many believe that HAMAS assigns no importance to civilian casualties; other than for the propaganda value. But, that is a matter of debate. HAMAS claims otherwise.

Understanding the reality of both sides is required to determine if the conflict is essential or optional for the "inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace." [A/RES/217A(III)]

Most Respectfully,
R

From everything that I've read and heard, I feel that Hamas are the main aggressors, that Israel has even tried to be helpful in the past and currently to the Palestinian citizens. They always break the cease fires, they've destroyed or consumed goods that were meant for the citizens, they use them as human shields (come on, there is NO defending that), etc.

Yet another Ignorant Comment.....you people live by sound-bytes but have NO deep understanding of Pal/Israeli history at all......it's like dealing with Cretins...where is Marg., at least she has knowledge of the subject matter.steve

Sure I do, and I know quite a bit about Hamas and how they murder their own people too, have children fighting on their behalf, and MANY other atrocities.

The REAL FIGURES......DEATHS SINCE 2000-2014

Israelis....1184..................................................of which there have been .........132 Children

Palestinians......9075........................................of which there have been..........2045 Children

Since 1948 ......Israelis...10,849............Palestinian....69,602 These are Israeli Government figures

So since 2000 .......2045 Palestinian Children compared to a total of 1316 Israelis that have been killed......atrocious figures indeed.

Could you please tell me when Hamas(who I don't support in any way,infact quite the reverse)"Murdered other Palestinians" thanks.

You like most are full of shit,continue with your Hate......Not Peacemakers just cheapspeakers...the last time Israel had a Peacemaker was the X Commander in Chief of the IDF and PrimeMinister Mr Rabin(Fine man indeed)...?What happened to him.....The Jews ASSASINATED him.steve..Viva Israel,Viva Palestine

That's what happens when you constantly and incessantly instigate (with CLEAR declaration of war!!!) a country that is many more times more powerful than you.

So . . . not only are they savages, but they are also stupid as all hell.

Google it yourself douche.