Zone1 Very few people want to know the Truth

[forkintheroad7]

You can tell many people on the forum do NOT care about the truth, meaning Objective Truth, irrefutable Truth.

Some anti-Catholics will spew out some anti-Catholic BS and then when you correct them with the TRUE version of history, they argue with you over some dumbass minutiae aspect of what you're saying or cowardly give you a thumbs down icon and run off to argue with someone else against

TRUTH

Well, some of us do not post anything unless we are at least 99% certain it is true. I myself always, always clarify whether I am saying something definitively or not. I can't speak for anyone else, Catholic or otherwise. But this reminds me of something else

Some call themselves Catholic but what does that even mean these days? 70 years ago, everyone knew what that word meant. Today, because of the Infiltration (Pope Pius XII may have been murdered so this takeover could happen), saying you are Catholic means virtually nothing. Only the Sedevacantist Catholics know the score.. as it were.

 

[Votto]

It's pretty scary, but true: People do not want the Truth

I try to only post what I know to be the truth, and people reject it, ridicule it, dismiss it, just because it is not their truth.

Well, as we know, there is objective truth and there is subjective truth. The latter is the truth that you believe or some other human being believes to be the truth. The former is TRUTH, period.

So 1 plus 1 is always going to be 2, like it or not

But people are not objective about religious truth. When they have found a religion they are comfortable in, they refuse to listen to anyone else who disagrees with the tenets of that religion. Now, frankly, I just do not understand that. But then again, I have done a lot of searching and it looks like most others have not. Sorry to sound like a snob but that's my reality, that is what I have observed on this forum and in life in general.

And we wonder why there is so much division. I can understand Republicans not wanting to have a close association with liberals. That makes total sense to me because libs are into subjective truth and Republicans.. not so much.

But generally speaking, it looks like people just believe what they want to believe..

Yes, I know.. you will say "the same can be said about you [Forkintheroad]. Really? Well, again, maybe you who say that are more into subjective truth ("I just believe what I believe because it seems to fit me" or whatever).

I have searched out many religions and only the Catholic one makes sense. The thing that most makes sense is that Jesus said His Church would not fail, and yet all but the Catholics say that the Original did fail.. it went underground at some point in history or what have you. But Jesus said it would not fail. The only Church that goes back to the beginning of Christianity is the Catholic Church.. In the fist century we hear of Eucharist, confession to a priest and all other things Catholic.

No other "church" can claim that. So tell me.. Why are people rejecting the Truth? It's because they choose to believe what they want to believe. That will get you into Hell.

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.


Winston Churchill

 

[forkintheroad7]

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.


Winston Churchill

You made me want to research Churchill.

This quote of his is perfect for making my point. And to think... there were no internet forums (which seem to attract so many... uh... oddballs..) back in his day

 

[shockedcanadian]

It's pretty scary, but true: People do not want the Truth

I try to only post what I know to be the truth, and people reject it, ridicule it, dismiss it, just because it is not their truth.

Well, as we know, there is objective truth and there is subjective truth. The latter is the truth that you believe or some other human being believes to be the truth. The former is TRUTH, period.

So 1 plus 1 is always going to be 2, like it or not

But people are not objective about religious truth. When they have found a religion they are comfortable in, they refuse to listen to anyone else who disagrees with the tenets of that religion. Now, frankly, I just do not understand that. But then again, I have done a lot of searching and it looks like most others have not. Sorry to sound like a snob but that's my reality, that is what I have observed on this forum and in life in general.

And we wonder why there is so much division. I can understand Republicans not wanting to have a close association with liberals. That makes total sense to me because libs are into subjective truth and Republicans.. not so much.

But generally speaking, it looks like people just believe what they want to believe..

Yes, I know.. you will say "the same can be said about you [Forkintheroad]. Really? Well, again, maybe you who say that are more into subjective truth ("I just believe what I believe because it seems to fit me" or whatever).

I have searched out many religions and only the Catholic one makes sense. The thing that most makes sense is that Jesus said His Church would not fail, and yet all but the Catholics say that the Original did fail.. it went underground at some point in history or what have you. But Jesus said it would not fail. The only Church that goes back to the beginning of Christianity is the Catholic Church.. In the fist century we hear of Eucharist, confession to a priest and all other things Catholic.

No other "church" can claim that. So tell me.. Why are people rejecting the Truth? It's because they choose to believe what they want to believe. That will get you into Hell.

I've also done my own research and found the "truth". Which in faith, is not ever absolute or proveable as gravity is for instance. It is unfortunate that citizens of different nations remain somewhat ignorant. For instance, in the West many Christians will have not read the Old Testament (I didnt much) or understood the origin of that which Jesus was himself taught as a Rabbi. In Israel, most have not read the New Testament, many have never even seen the book ever. I did my own research and its clear to me that there is a.G-d and he gave us many more than 10 laws to.obey and we should do our best to remain loyal to these laws. What makes Judaism inviting and interesting to me is the free flow of debate and repeated assessment of the Torah, this is found in the Talmud, a transparent matter of thelogical debate as religious authorities openly assess G-ds words and directions. Instinctively, this approach connects with me spiritually above and beyond the critical role religious Jews have played in our freedom.and Western values. Im not preaching but simply sharing my.experience.and perspective, each of us have to find our own path. Judeo-Christisn values really do merge the best of both beliefs. Jesus perhaps the most famois and followed Jew of them all, but dont forget who became before him in his direct lineage. Abraham and Moses. Before them, the idea of a monolithic G-d didnt even exist.

 

[surada]

I've also done my own research and found the "truth". Which in faith, is not ever absolute or proveable as gravity is for instance. It is unfortunate that citizens of different nations remain somewhat ignorant.

For instance, in the West many Christians will have not read the Old Testament (I didnt much) or understood the origin of that which Jesus was himself taught as a Rabbi. In Israel, most have not read the New Testament, many have never even seen the book ever. I did my own research and its clear to me that there is a.G-d and he gave us many more than 10 laws to.obey and we should do our best to remain loyal to these laws. What makes Judaism inviting and interesting to me is the free flow of debate and repeated assessment of the Torah, this is found in the Talmud, a transparent matter of thelogical debate as religious authorities openly assess G-ds words and directions. Instinctively, this approach connects with me spiritually above and beyond the critical role religious Jews have played in our freedom.and Western values. Im not preaching but simply sharing my.experience.and perspective, each of us have to find oir own path. Judeo-Christisn values really do merge the best of both beliefs. Jesus perhaps the most famois and followed Jew of them.all, but dont forget who became before him in his lineage. Abraham.and Moses. Before them, the idea of a monolithic G-d didnt even exist.

The earliest known instance of monotheism dates to the reign of Akhenaton of Egypt in the 14th century bc. Monotheism is characteristic of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, all of which view God as the creator of the world, who oversees and intervenes in human events, and as a beneficent and holy being, the source of the highest good.

The monotheism that characterizes Judaism began in ancient Israel with the adoption of Yahweh as the single object of worship and the rejection of the gods of other tribes and nations without, initially, denying their existence. Islam is clear in confessing one, eternal, unbegotten, unequaled God, while Christianity holds that a single God is reflected in the three persons of the Holy Trinity.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The earliest known instance of monotheism dates to the reign of Akhenaton of Egypt in the 14th century bc. Monotheism is characteristic of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, all of which view God as the creator of the world, who oversees and intervenes in human events, and as a beneficent and holy being, the source of the highest good.

The monotheism that characterizes Judaism began in ancient Israel with the adoption of Yahweh as the single object of worship and the rejection of the gods of other tribes and nations without, initially, denying their existence. Islam is clear in confessing one, eternal, unbegotten, unequaled God, while Christianity holds that a single God is reflected in the three persons of the Holy Trinity.

All three of these major religions are referred to as Abarahamic for a reason. It's not to say there haven't been some appealing improvements with the two that followed Judaism, but it isn't like an operating system where version 2.0 is so much better. It's more akin to the U.S Constitution where ignoring the prior lessons which so beautifully outlined the best way to live with our faith in G-d, through prayer, conduct and deeds.

 

[surada]

All three of these major religions are referred to as Abarahamic for a reason. It's not to say there haven't been some appealing improvements with the two that followed Judaism, but it isn't like an operating system where version 2.0 is so much better. It's more akin to the U.S Constitution where ignoring the prior lessons which so beautifully outlined the best way to live with our faith in G-d, through prayer, conduct and deeds.

No one has said anything about one being an improvement on the earlier revelation.

 

[hadit]

Not to burst your bubble, but religion is pretty much the antithesis of truth.

Religion is about faith, which is belief without evidence. Or proof.

And you can't really have much truth without proof.

None of us live our lives on 100% proof about anything. If we did, we would carry a testing kit with us into the pharmacy to make sure every pill given to us has all and only the ingredients it is supposed to have. We would also test every bite we eat to make sure nothing bad is in it. We would not sit in a chair until we tested it to make sure it can bear our weight, and the list goes on.

IOW, we live our lives in faith. We believe that the cars will stop when the light turns red, and we cross the road. We believe that the person standing next to us is not going to stick a knife into our side, and we don't insist on a buffer zone around us. We believe that the restaurant cook did not put poison into our hamburger, and we eat it.

 

[Crepitus]

None of us live our lives on 100% proof about anything. If we did, we would carry a testing kit with us into the pharmacy to make sure every pill given to us has all and only the ingredients it is supposed to have. We would also test every bite we eat to make sure nothing bad is in it. We would not sit in a chair until we tested it to make sure it can bear our weight, and the list goes on.

So where is the agency that supposed to test religion and make sure it's safe and effective?

 

[ding]

So where is the agency that supposed to test religion and make sure it's safe and effective?

The USSR?

 

[Crepitus]

The USSR?

ceased to exist back in the 80's and isn't really relevant to this discussion. All the other things you listed have dedicated people who work ceaselessly to ensure they are safe and effective.

Who's doing that for religion?

 

[ding]

ceased to exist back in the 80's and isn't really relevant to this discussion. All the other things you listed have dedicated people who work ceaselessly to ensure they are safe and effective.

Who's doing that for religion?

The USSR did that and so did every other communist state ruled by militant atheists.

 

[Crepitus]

The USSR did that and so did every other communist state ruled by militant atheists.

"militant atheists"?

Odd how I don't see atheists proselytizing all over the board.

 

[ding]

"militant atheists"?

Odd how I don't see atheists proselytizing all over the board.

It's called subordinating religion. That's what their proselytizing their religion looks like.

 

[Crepitus]

It's called subordinating religion.

Nope. That's when you argue that the son "jesus" is subordinate to "ghod".

I'm saying they are both made up.

 

[ding]

Nope. That's when you argue that the son "jesus" is subordinate to "ghod".

I'm saying they are both made up.

Good for you. I couldn't care less what someone like you believes or doesn't believe. Your validation of your beliefs is predicated on subordinating religion. You condemn respect for people of faith.

 

[braalian]

See what I mean?

You don't even bother to investigate the "proof" that I have presented

wow.. hope you don't call yourself Scientific any time soon... Scientists actually investigate the claims of others before dismissing them. But oh well.. Jesus did say that Few find the Way...

The fact that you yourself put the word “proof” in quotation marks there isn’t very helpful to your argument

 

[Crepitus]

I couldn't care less what someone like you believes or doesn't believe.

That is a lie, other wise we wouldn't be having this conversation over and over.

And IIRC those are considered bad juju by your "faith".

 

[ding]

That is a lie, other wise we wouldn't be having this conversation over and over.

It's not a lie, dummy. I'm defending my faith from the attacks of militant atheist who condemn respect for people of faith. I couldn't care less what you believe. I don't even care what you do until you involve me or my faith in it. Go be happy.

 

[ding]

And IIRC those are considered bad juju by your "faith".

Said the militant atheist condemning respect for people of faith.