Verdict reached in Karmelo murder trial

[progressive hunter]

Of course not. Austin should not have pushed Karmelo but neither did he deserve to die for it.

So I ask again, what are a black man's boundaries worth, a promising young man's life?

he didnt push him,, never got the chance because he was murdered,,

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Manslaughter or the same thing that Caysen Allison was convicted of, since they both murder someone in school.

There are still only two possible verdicts no matter the charge.

 

[progressive hunter]

Manslaughter or the same thing that Caysen Allison was convicted of, since they both murder someone in school.

location of the crime isnt how sentences are determined,,

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Are you saying that hispanics are considered as white?

You're the one who referred to him as a person of color, not me.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Per Capita is a cop out, history in America proves you have been more violent than damn near anyone in the world.

Whether you like per capita or not, it indicates something. Blacks are about thirteen percent of the population but commit nearly half the violent crimes. That is way out of proportion to their population percentage.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

he didnt push him,, never got the chance because he was murdered,,

I've heard both versions but even if you assume Austin did push him, stabbing him was not justified.

 

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[progressive hunter]

I've heard both versions but even if you assume Austin did push him, stabbing him was not justified.

none of the testimony said he pushed him,, at least no ones posted from the transcript thats posted on this thread that proves it,

everytime I ask someone to provide it I get called a racist

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

none of the testimony said he pushed him,, at least no ones posted from the transcript thats posted on this thread that proves it,

everytime I ask someone to provide it I get called a racist

That's not surprising, people get called racist for looking at someone cross-eyed these days.

That said, I don't dwell on the pushed/ didn't push question because the stabbing was not justified in either case. If he pushed Karmelo that is still not a mitigating factor.

 

[progressive hunter]

That's not surprising, people get called racist for looking at someone cross-eyed these days.

That said, I don't dwell on the pushed/ didn't push question because the stabbing was not justified in either case. If he pushed Karmelo that is still not a mitigating factor.

just so happen to run across this playing shorts' its the defenses witness testimony

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I care, you don't sure don't, you try to use it as a talking point. They are already doing that, You can't go into ONE white neighborhood and see anyone selling drugs, you can't see any women on the corners selling pie, but this activity runs rampant in many black neighborhoods, why is that numbnuts? Could it be because the police are in our neighborhoods to contain crime, not stop it or prevent it.

retard your areas are overrun with crime BECAUSE a large percent of your youth and adults are CRIMINALS and whenever one is arrested for something you have a fit and riot.

 

[Jroc]

One hundred? Hell, I am speaking of today. So today they are barbarians, but when whites were committing atrocities against folks of color they were considered as CIVILIZIED. You know on a lot of these takeovers, there are white kids in the crowd also, idiot.

Very few white kids which is why and your friend here and never post them I challenge them many times to do it he hasn't been able to come up with anything...Africans were primitive, American Indians were primitive ,primitive societies are easily conquered... What has Africa done for the world? Egypt is a Mediterranean country not really even Africa... north African countries are really Mediterranean countries .... What has Africa given to us ? What are the great African civilizations? outside of the tribal societies they had there those who sold slaves to the Europeans

. ... The entire African continent was pretty much conquered by the Europeans Because they're primitive couldn't compete with advanced societies of the time... if you were there you'd be living in a hut somewhere...

Animals ....

 

[Jroc]

One hundred? Hell, I am speaking of today. So today they are barbarians, but when whites were committing atrocities against folks of color they were considered as CIVILIZIED. You know on a lot of these takeovers, there are white kids in the crowd also, idiot.

F*** animals....they have no morals... That's the problem . You wouldn't teach them any better either cuz they're victims for somebody owes them something.... you're part of the problem .

 

[Zincwarrior]

They weren't black, so they are pretty much white.

How are they 'pretty much white?'

 

[Jroc]

They weren't black, so they are pretty much white.

Can't you even go bowling without acting like animals

 

[krichton]

Sounds like he was given a fair warning. He shouldn't have touched him a second time.

This is not the legal get out of jail card you think it is. Is lethal force the proportionate response to someone attempting to push you out of their tent? The law says otherwise.

I agree. Both boys were in the wrong starting fights, but that didn't justify stabbing either one of them to death.

Kids do stupid shit.

My complaint was not "who was justified", but that even though both boys were found guilty of stabbing someone to death, one boy got 10 years with a negligent homicide charge, while the other got 35 years for murder.

And the only real difference in the two cases was one was white, and the other was black.

My argument isn't who was more justified either, so we're on the same page. My point was to differentiate why one boy got 35 years and the other only 10. Anthony wasn't boxed into a small room. No one was looking to fight him. No one even threw a punch. That entire situation could have ended immediately with him leaving that tent. Anthony was the aggressor and antagonizer. Allison was not. To a jury, Anthony very much looked like he walked into the tent with the intent to commit some sort of violence. Summing up the outcomes of both trials to a black and white thing is simply being intentionally obtuse in order to satisfy a narrative.

 

[JoeB131]

so now you too are justifying murder for a push.

Are you finally admitting he was pushed?

A push was good enough to justify Curtis Reeves shooting Chad Oulson.

Heck, it wasn't even a shove. Oulson just threw popcorn at the guy.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Are you finally admitting he was pushed?

A push was good enough to justify Curtis Reeves shooting Chad Oulson.

Heck, it wasn't even a shove. Oulson just threw popcorn at the guy.

Florida has incredibly open self defense laws. Personally I thought that verdict was bs, but its a Florida case NOT A TEXAS CASE.

 

[JoeB131]

This is not the legal get out of jail card you think it is. Is lethal force the proportionate response to someone attempting to push you out of their tent? The law says otherwise.

And yet I've cited many cases here - Allison, Reeves, Chow, Rittenhouse - where deadly force was used far beyond what the situation justified.

My argument isn't who was more justified either, so we're on the same page. My point was to differentiate why one boy got 35 years and the other only 10. Anthony wasn't boxed into a small room. No one was looking to fight him. No one even threw a punch. That entire situation could have ended immediately with him leaving that tent. Anthony was the aggressor and antagonizer. Allison was not. To a jury, Anthony very much looked like he walked into the tent with the intent to commit some sort of violence. Summing up the outcomes of both trials to a black and white thing is simply being intentionally obtuse in order to satisfy a narrative.

One was white. The other was black
Only real difference.
Allison could have easily forced his way past Ramirez and gotten out. In fact, that's exactly what he did after the stabbing.

Allison was certainly an "antagonizer". He had boasted for days about how he was going to put Ramirez in the hospital.

I would argue, on balance, Allison was far worse. But again. White privilege.

 

[JoeB131]

Florida has incredibly open self defense laws. Personally I thought that verdict was bs, but its a Florida case NOT A TEXAS CASE.

I already gave you a Texas case (Allison).

You keep ignoring it.

The Texas Stand your Ground law is pretty similar to the Florida one.