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But they do work. You just sourced data that showed Pfizer going from 90% to 84% in 6 months, that’s pretty damn good. Also all data points to those 10-15% that do catch it having much less sever reactions. There are also booster shots available. You are right about variants. God help is if one comes out that is resistant to the vaccines. That will throw the world back into shutdown and mask mode. Nobody wants that so why are so many fighting against taking the safest route to knocking this thing out?!
That is the fact and anyone that claims otherwise are lying!That's the claim... argue with colfax_m .
You are just flat out wrong... Look at the hospitalization and deaths since the vaccines have come out. Dramatic difference and many many lives saved. That is SAFE. The 98% number came from a study Ukraine did on a small batch of people. Those are the results of that test, do you think they were lying? 84% is a number based on people 6 months after the shot. Still showing a high % of effectiveness for preventing infection and still showing a high prevention of serious effects on those that do catch it.Pfizer used to claim 98% effective at one time.
And admitting 84% likely means the reality is much lower.
And the point is it is sinking fast.
Natural immunity is measured in decades, while this is more like just years.
The cause of variants is time, and it is "flattening the curve" that is at fault for that.
There is nothing "safe" about a new synthetic vaccine not FDA approved even.
That is like claiming thalidomide is safe since it passed testing.
I don't disagree with any of that.Look, the Covid vaccine is to lessen the damage the virus does to the system and should keep you out of the Hospital but not everyone will have that success and people will still die and yes the vaccine will sooner or later become worthless when Covid mutates again.
I'll respond to you right after you answer my pop quiz question, please don't ignore it again...Negative Ghostrider.
Roughly 63% are fully vaxxed...and 72% have had one shot.
Do that math.
If 70% are vaccinated and 74% of the infected have been vaccinated... That means the vaccinated have a HIGHER rate of infection than the unVaxxed.
Massachusetts Coronavirus Vaccination Progress
How is Massachusetts progressing in its mission to vaccinate the population? See how many people are fully vaccinated state-wide and parse the numbers by demographics.usafacts.org
So...no...not great news for the vaccination pushers.
Never said that.That's the claim from the pro-vaccinators.. argue with @colfax_m ... I have up trying...
I don't disagree with any of that.
But...I still think people in a free country have the right to weigh the consequences and make their own decisions.
The Media is the ones spreading the disinformation that vaccines protect you from infection and that the unVaxxed are the only ones transmitting the virus.
Where do you think these people are getting these ideas?!?
If everybody was magically vaccinated then then Covid could still spread to 10%-30% and the infections wouldn't be nearly as sever or deadly as whats going on now. This would dramatically improve the current status of our world. The way to ultimately control the virus is with therapeutics and vaccines so we can deal with it like we deal with the Flu.Even if you vaccinate everyone it will not stop Covid and at the rate the virus mutates the vaccine might be worthless soon.
Again, the vaccine is not a cure and those that have been vaccinated can contract the variants of the virus and spread them and even die from them, so let not pretend the vaccine is a damn cure but what it is is something that should lessen the symptoms of Covid while keeping people from overwhelming the medical system!
You're playing games of absolutes. What I hear about the vaccines isn't that it is bullet proof, it is that they all have efficacy rates which means some will still get infected. I also don't hear anybody saying that the unvaxxed are the ONLY ones transmitting the virus. Where are you getting that nonsense from?I don't disagree with any of that.
But...I still think people in a free country have the right to weigh the consequences and make their own decisions.
The Media is the ones spreading the disinformation that vaccines protect you from infection and that the unVaxxed are the only ones transmitting the virus.
Where do you think these people are getting these ideas?!?
If everybody was magically vaccinated then then Covid could still spread to 10%-30% and the infections wouldn't be nearly as sever or deadly as whats going on now. This would dramatically improve the current status of our world. The way to ultimately control the virus is with therapeutics and vaccines so we can deal with it like we deal with the Flu.
100%I'll respond to you right after you answer my pop quiz question, please don't ignore it again...
Pop Quiz: Let's say Mass had 100% of their population vaccinated. Can you tell me the % of positive cases that would then result from vaccinated people?
You're playing games of absolutes. What I hear about the vaccines isn't that it is bullet proof, it is that they all have efficacy rates which means some will still get infected. I also don't hear anybody saying that the unvaxxed are the ONLY ones transmitting the virus. Where are you getting that nonsense from?
www.cnn.com
www.nbcnews.com
I agree with that as well.Now with that written it amazes me how all sides have been playing games with the truth about Covid, the spread, the mutation rate and the Vaccine and it effectiveness and it is pissing me off!
I wish people would just be honest and stop the spin!
Why thank you. That means a lot to me coming from you.You're disgusting!
if that retarded comment helps you to sleep at night, go with itBut they don’t get hospitalized and die.
no it’s not your choice when you get other people sick.
Politicians, politicos and the MSM has invested a lot of time and energy in promoting the narrative that the unvaccinated are solely responsible for the current rise in reported COVID-19 cases in the US.
That well crafted narrative has been destroyed...
"People can carry “enormous” amounts of the delta variant virus in their nose and throat — regardless of vaccination status, reported The New York Times."
CDC report says COVID-19 delta variant is about as transmissible as chickenpox, regardless vaccination status
What did the report say about COVID-19? Can vaccinated people spread the delta variant? Here’s what we know right now.www.deseret.com
If both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated transmit the virus easily... that removes the key pillar of the argument against those refusing the vaccine.
Once again... It's a person's choice of they wish to take their 99% chance of defeating the virus and building natural immunity.
it is not a 'vaccine'....Being vaccinated does not mean you can’t contract the virus or spread it or even die from it!
Being vaccinated mean it should or could lessen the symptoms which mean keeping you out of the Hospital and not overwhelming the medical system.
The vaccine is not a cure!
no it’s not your choice when you get other people sick.
You are correct people have trust issues. I have trust issues. I still got the shot. The problem is that people do have trust issues and we have political leaders that aren't messaging responsibly, they are feeding into the doubt and skepticism which is making the problem worse and prolonging the spread and damage. .True, but people have trust issues with a vaccine that does not have Full FDA approval and the media and Government, so the idea of getting people fully vaccinated is impossible.
Now with that written it amazes me how all sides have been playing games with the truth about Covid, the spread, the mutation rate and the Vaccine and it effectiveness and it is pissing me off!
I wish people would just be honest and stop the spin!
