NBC: The conspiracy theorists were right."Biden officials knew of deadly COVID vax health risks, did not warn public" What's next? 9/11?

[buttercup]

^^^

Feel free to refute that, if you can. You can't because it's a demonstrably true fact that he called himself the Father of the vaccine.

And did you not click on the video I posted where he bragged about it and sang the praises of the vaccine, and lied about the safety of it?

He was and IS fully on board with the vaccine agenda. And you said "everybody" that pushed it is a murderer. YOUR words.

Apparently you don't really mean that.

 

[skye]

Feel free to refute that, if you can. You can't because it's a demonstrably true fact that he called himself the Father of the vaccine.

And did you not click on the video I posted where he bragged about it and sang the praises of the vaccine, and lied about the safety of it?

He was and IS fully on board with the vaccine agenda. And you said "everybody" that pushed it is a murderer. YOUR words.

Apparently you don't really mean that.

Are we going we going to be all day with this shit????

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I don't think of skye and buttercup as anti-science but more as pro-myth.

 

[munkle]

Yes, he himself said he was the "Father of the vaccine." Did you not know that?

So, apparently you don't mean "everybody".... since you appear to be giving the self-proclaimed Father of the vaccine (who btw is pushing yet another mRNA vaccine) a pass.

Hopefully you're not, but so far it looks that way.

Not Trump's fault that Pfizer and Biden FDA lied.

 

[buttercup]

Not Trump's fault that Pfizer and Biden FDA lied.

So you're saying he's not smart enough to discern truth from bullshit? You're the second person on this forum today who implied that Trump is not very smart and is easily misled. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think he's stupid, he's just a fraud. Controlled opposition. (Which btw, I thought you recently realized, and openly stated in a post of yours from a few days ago?)

 

[buttercup]

Not Trump's fault that Pfizer and Biden FDA lied.

Furthermore, even if it IS true that he was simply naive and unaware, and had bad advisors....enough time has passed now since Covid that he should be well aware of what the vaccine really is, but so far he has not rescinded his support for the Covid vaccine... And on top of that, in his second term (on his second day in office) he introduced ANOTHER mRNA vaccine.

So what you're saying is not only misguided, in my view, but it is completely illogical. I expect illogical replies from certain other folks here, but not from you.

 

[whitehall]

The key word is "officials" as in "Biden officials". Chances are that old Joe didn't know shit and the government was run by persons unknown including his wife and junkie son. The media should have known it but they supported a deranged president in order to keep democrats in power.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not Trump's fault that Pfizer and Biden FDA lied.

No, it is you who have just lied.

 

[munkle]

Furthermore, even if it IS true that he was simply naive and unaware, and had bad advisors....enough time has passed now since Covid that he should be well aware of what the vaccine really is, but so far he has not rescinded his support for the Covid vaccine... And on top of that, in his second term (on his second day in office) he introduced ANOTHER mRNA vaccine.

So what you're saying is not only misguided, in my view, but it is completely illogical. I expect illogical replies from certain other folks here, but not from you.

It is true that Trump is still doing the bidding of Big Pharma by promoting more toxic mRNA bio-weapons. I now believe he is thoroughly Deep State. Yes they might have lied to him in 2020 but he has no excuse now.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yes, he himself said he was the "Father of the vaccine." Did you not know that?

So, apparently you don't mean "everybody".... since you appear to be giving the self-proclaimed Father of the vaccine (who btw is pushing yet another mRNA vaccine) a pass.

Hopefully you're not, but so far it looks that way.

Trump was at the mercy of the lying NIH. He also gave us the correct medicines to use. Ivermectin worked which is why your president, OBiden made sure we weren't able to get it.

And as far as the lab it was created in, it wasn't Wuhan. It was the lab in North Carolina that produced it for us. Obama and Fauci sent it to Wuhan for gain of function, then told us it came from a bat. Fauci tried like hell to give it to a bat in a lab in Montana and was unsuccessful. So they just went with the bat story anyway.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Irish Ram is fabilizing. Ask an AI bot about it.

 

[buttercup]

Trump was at the mercy of the lying NIH. He also gave us the correct medicines to use. Ivermectin worked which is why your president, OBiden made sure we weren't able to get it.

And as far as the lab it was created in, it wasn't Wuhan. It was the lab in North Carolina that produced it for us. Obama and Fauci sent it to Wuhan for gain of function, then told us it came from a bat. Fauci tried like hell to give it to a bat in a lab in Montana and was unsuccessful. So they just went with the bat story anyway.

My president Obiden????????



Wow. I thought you knew better than that. Why would a person who I oppose in every way, can't even stand to hear speak, and wouldn't vote for if my life depended on it AND have even wondered if he's the anti-Christ, be "my president" ???? I'm 99.9999% sure you know better than that. So that's just an ugly way to take a swipe at me, because you seem to be mad about the other thread we were on.

As for the other stuff you said, I never said it was created in Wuhan. And Trump has sung the praises of the vaccine many times when he didn't have to, so I don't agree with your portrayal of him as just an innocent victim, he has promoted the vaccine and taken full "credit" for his part of it, so as far as Im concerned, the blood is on his hands just as much as all the others who pushed it, if not more so.

 

[buttercup]

It is true that Trump is still doing the bidding of Big Pharma by promoting more toxic mRNA bio-weapons. I now believe he is thoroughly Deep State. Yes they might have lied to him in 2020 but he has no excuse now.

Thank you. It's a breath of fresh air to see at least some people use their noodle.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Biden was your President and a far better Christian than you ever could be, buttercup.

I bet you have a phony birth certificate.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Thank you. It's a breath of fresh air to see at least some people use their noodle.

Does Trump still endorse the vaccine?
I asked that if Google and the latest I could find was 2021.

Yes he pushed for it and it was rushed out too soon as the media and Democrats spread panic and fear. I got the vaccine and the booster with so far no I'll effects AFAIK.

But they said all I read as of 2024

Trump rarely mentions what’s considered one of the great public health accomplishments in recent memory.

“The Republicans don’t want to claim it,” Trump told an interviewer in late September.

Instead, on at least 17 occasions this year, Trump has promised to cut funding to schools that mandate vaccines. Campaign spokespeople have previously said that pledge would apply only to schools with covid mandates

 

[buttercup]

Does Trump still endorse the vaccine?
I asked that if Google and the latest I could find was 2021.

Yes he pushed for it and it was rushed out too soon as the media and Democrats spread panic and fear. I got the vaccine and the booster with so far no I'll effects AFAIK.

But they said all I read as of 2024

Trump rarely mentions what’s considered one of the great public health accomplishments in recent memory.

“The Republicans don’t want to claim it,” Trump told an interviewer in late September.

Instead, on at least 17 occasions this year, Trump has promised to cut funding to schools that mandate vaccines. Campaign spokespeople have previously said that pledge would apply only to schools with covid mandates

I think he toned down his previous rhetoric because he knows that a good portion of his base are strongly opposed to the vaccine. But as far as I've seen, he has not explicitly disavowed it.

But also...as recently as January 21st of this year, he's STILL promoting mRNA vaccines, because a new one (purportedly for cancer) was introduced at his Stargate press conference, on Day 2 of his current term.

That's why munkle said what he said in post #29: "they might have lied to him in 2020 but he has no excuse now."

If you aren't against the vaccine, then the fact that you don't have a big problem with Trump's actions is understandable. It's the folks who ARE strongly against the Covid vaccine and know that it has killed a lot of people, yet act as if Trump is as innocent as the driven snow because of their undying worship-like allegiance to him....that's what is bizarre. And willfully blind, imho. Not that I'm interested in talking about this anymore... But someone resurrected this thread and posted to me, so I replied.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I think he toned down his previous rhetoric because he knows that a good portion of his base are strongly opposed to the vaccine. But as far as I've seen, he has not explicitly disavowed it.

But also...as recently as January 21st of this year, he's STILL promoting mRNA vaccines, because a new one (purportedly for cancer) was introduced at his Stargate press conference, on Day 2 of his current term.

That's why munkle said what he said in post #29: "they might have lied to him in 2020 but he has no excuse now."

If you aren't against the vaccine, then the fact that you don't have a big problem with Trump's actions is understandable. It's the folks who ARE strongly against the Covid vaccine and know that it has killed a lot of people, yet act as if Trump is as innocent as the driven snow because of their undying worship-like allegiance to him....that's what is bizarre. And willfully blind, imho. Not that I'm interested in talking about this anymore... But someone resurrected this thread and posted to me, so I replied.

I think it's new technology with great potential that was rushed out too quickly

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Only conspiracy theorists think the vaccine killed bunches of people.

In my circles of contact, I know of one very serious Long Vaccine friend and one medium affected. No one I even know remotely has died.

I do know of seven or eight people personally who died unvaccinated from Covid. That is only anecdotal, so I take it only for what it is.

Trump has no great issue with the vax, only with those like Fauci who thought he was an idiot about it and made sure he knew that they did. His base have no trouble with the logic chasm.