"Utterly Insane"....Says Elon Musk About The "Big, Beautiful Bill" Gutting All Clean Energy Incentives. And He Is Correct.

[Dr. Phosphorous]

We already covered this...idiot.

Nah, you didn't, shit-for-brains.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Cool story - did you make a post like this about Biden's budget and unparalleled spending?

Well....Biden and Musk weren't buddies like Trump and Musk.

Maybe one day you'll have a clue.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Because we aren’t going to spend 10,000 tax dollars so you can save 20 dollars a month on your electric bill. You either do it because it makes sense for you to spend the 10 grand or **** off. We aren’t paying it for you.

You would rather pay oil and gas companies billions of dollars in subsidies to kill you quicker.

Got it.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Well....Biden and Musk weren't buddies like Trump and Musk.

Maybe one day you'll have a clue.

I have a total clue.
The bill is Big, but it is not beautiful. And Elon has a very good point.
- BUT - yes, I find it very ironic and hypocritical as hell for Democrats to say ANYTHING bad about this bill when it, literally, spends half of what Biden did.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

I have a total clue.
The bill is Big, but it is not beautiful. And Elon has a very good point.
- BUT - yes, I find it very ironic and hypocritical as hell for Democrats to say ANYTHING bad about this bill when it, literally, spends half of what Biden did.

Biden didn't give massive tax cuts to the rich. Biden didn't make massive cuts to Medicaid.

Biden's Infrastructure Bill made massive, smart investments in green energy.....a major reason why Thom Tillis (R-NC) is a NO on this disastrous bill.

 

[Correll]

Ironic that you say that....you're making a really good case for why Trump's tariffs are total ******* bullshit.

Different issue.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Different issue.

Actually.....it's not.

You incentivize industries worth protecting....and green energy is worth protecting.

The stupid 1970s manufacturing jobs that Trump is trying to take back from China with his bullshit tariffs? No, that is not worth the economic pain Americans are going to suffer. Not even close.

 

[Correll]

Actually.....it's not.

You incentivize industries worth protecting....and green energy is worth protecting.

The stupid 1970s manufacturing jobs that Trump is trying to take back from China with his bullshit tariffs? No, that is not worth the economic pain Americans are going to suffer. Not even close.

I disagree. Imo, AMERICAN jobs are worth protecting, GREEN JOBs, are not.

 

[leftwinger]

But a "stupid waste of money" on subsidies for oil and gas companies that destroy the environment are acceptable....because Trump supports this.

Of course.

Google confusing or burying any simple facts. Oh I see why the good doctor lol! Is so cornfused. He lives in Wikipedia or LW storyland sites.*****

Electric vehicle and electric vehicle battery production was the most heavily subsidized industry in 2023, just as it was in 2022,with automakers Ford, General Motors, and Volkswagen taking the biggest packages.Jan 4, 2024

 

[leftwinger]

Solyndra much? Every dollar to rich CEO or funneled back to DNC. Nary a panel came out, no product. Few jobs during “tooling” up. For what?.

Ivanpah solar plant much? Didn’t even last ten years, 5 sq miles headed to landfill. 80 million dead birds? Who knows? they hide it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Please explain why.

Because it's wasting money on more expensive, less reliable energy that doesn't fix anything.

If it makes economic sense for you, do it with your own money.

If it doesn't make economic sense without the government handout, it shouldn't be done.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

But a "stupid waste of money" on subsidies for oil and gas companies that destroy the environment are acceptable....because Trump supports this.

Of course.

The government doesn't hand billions of dollars to oil and gas companies.
The government does hand billions of dollars to green companies and their customers.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

It pains me to say this, but Elon Musk is 100% correct. This bill is a ******* disaster for the environment, our economy, and for our country.

It does to the rest of the EV industry what white liberals were cheering on when they were doing it to Musk...so just file it under "he who laughs last" and take your medicine.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

I disagree. Imo, AMERICAN jobs are worth protecting, GREEN JOBs, are not.

Green jobs are American jobs, simp.

Which is why Republicans like Thom Tillis and Nancy Mace have serious problems with this bill.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

The government doesn't hand billions of dollars to oil and gas companies.

Yes, they do. And your MAGA lies do not change that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Biden didn't give massive tax cuts to the rich. Biden didn't make massive cuts to Medicaid.

Biden's Infrastructure Bill made massive, smart investments in green energy.....a major reason why Thom Tillis (R-NC) is a NO on this disastrous bill.

Biden didn't give massive tax cuts to the rich.

Biden also didn't give tax cuts to the poor and middle class.

Biden's Infrastructure Bill had massive, wasteful investments in more expensive, less reliable green energy.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

It pains me to say this, but Elon Musk is 100% correct. This bill is a ******* disaster for the environment, our economy, and for our country.

Trump and the Republican Party are literally destroying this country.

This is one of the biggest reasons Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) is going to vote against the bill -- it kills good-paying, green energy manufacturing jobs in North Carolina and throughout the country.

Trump wants to bring back 1970s factories from China with his stupid ******* tariffs making cheap ass shirts, shorts, toys, pots, and pans.

But good paying, high tech green energy factory jobs? Nah.....just give all those good green energy manufacturing jobs to China!!

Total insanity.


From the Washington Post. --

Congressional Republicans are poised to reverse course on U.S. energy policy by wiping out hundreds of billions of dollars in incentives for solar and wind projects as well as for consumers seeking to purchase everything from energy-saving appliances to electric cars.

The Senate’s tax bill, which cleared a key procedural hurdle Saturday, contains strict green energy cutbacks that disappointed lobbyists for solar, wind and battery companies, who hoped senators would temper some of the House’s most draconian cuts. It also imposes a new tax on existing wind and solar farms if they include materials from a foreign entity like China — a huge blow for the renewables industry, which incorporates many materials from China across its supply chain.

“They’re proposing an outright massacre with punishing new taxes on these industries,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) wrote in a statement on Saturday. He said Republicans added what amounts to a “death sentence” for green energy, with provisions added “in the middle of the night” Friday before voting started in the Senate.

The bill, which still must be passed by both the Senate and the House, would fulfill a major campaign pledge of President Donald Trump, who favors coal mining and oil drilling and has railed against federal green energy spending. With the reversal, executives and climate experts are expecting a sharp retreat in U.S. manufacturing and continued Chinese domination of the industry.

“The latest Senate draft bill will destroy millions of jobs in America and cause immense strategic harm to our country!” Tesla founder Elon Musk posted on X on Saturday, extending his split with the administration he served as leader of the U.S. DOGE Service. “Utterly insane and destructive. It gives handouts to industries of the past while severely damaging industries of the future.”

The new bill also eliminates consumer subsidies for rooftop solar, electric vehicles, heat pumps and other energy-efficient technologies. Homeowners will have just a few months (for electric vehicles) or until the end of the year (for heat pumps and rooftop solar) to take advantage of the credits before they expire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2025/06/28/solar-green-energy-tax-bill-trump/

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, they do. And your MAGA lies do not change that.

Show me proof that the government hands tax dollars to oil and gas companies.

Your ignorant, greentard whining is not proof.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Biden also didn't give tax cuts to the poor and middle class.

Except he did. More MAGA lies.

Biden's Infrastructure Bill had massive, wasteful investments in more expensive, less reliable green energy.

There is not a sane American who believes Trump's bullshit bill is better than Biden's Infrastructure Bill.

You are not sane....as illustrated repeatedly.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Show me proof that the government hands tax dollars to oil and gas companies.

Your ignorant, greentard whining is not proof.

I've shown you in the past....NEVER again.

You are lying MAGA troll who debates in bad faith. You should have been banned eons ago, simp.