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[Old Rocks]

The U.S. market was identified by Deutsche as representing a bright spot, with the



Read more: Deutsche Bank predicts growing solar margins in 2015 despite oil price pv-magazine

And, worldwide, we see the same increase in renewables compared to conventional generation.

 

[elektra]

Why 2015 Will Be the Year of Solar Energy - DailyFinance

Looks good for solar.

China s Suntech Power U.S. Unit Seeks Bankruptcy Protection - Bloomberg

China’s Suntech Power U.S. Unit Seeks Bankruptcy Protection

 

[Old Rocks]

TrendForce 2015 Worldwide Solar Demand to Grow 16.5 Emerging Markets Growth to Surpass... -- TAIPEI Dec. 15 2014 PRNewswire --

TrendForce: 2015 Worldwide Solar Demand to Grow 16.5%, Emerging Markets Growth to Surpass 40%





TAIPEI, Dec. 15, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- The worldwide solar market demand in 2014 was approximately at 44GW, even though the China market did not perform as well as expectations, due to the continuous growth in Japan and the U.S. market, the supply and demand remained stable. At the end of 2014, the overall supply chain maintained a solid utilization rate, while China's tier-one module manufacturers also continued to break shipment records. Jason Huang, Research Manager at EnergyTrend, a research division of TrendForce, indicates that the 2015 worldwide solar demand is projected at 51.4GW, with the key markets remaining inChina, United States, and Japan, taking up 57% of the overall share, yet it is slightly lower than that of 2014. The rise of the emerging markets (the solar installation countries that are out of top 10) has begun to appear starting the second half of 2014. In 2015, the growth momentum of the emerging markets will become more apparent, and the overall demand will surpass 10GW.

2015 Solar Market's 5 Major Trends as follows:

And?

 

[elektra]

TrendForce 2015 Worldwide Solar Demand to Grow 16.5 Emerging Markets Growth to Surpass... -- TAIPEI Dec. 15 2014 PRNewswire --

TrendForce: 2015 Worldwide Solar Demand to Grow 16.5%, Emerging Markets Growth to Surpass 40%





TAIPEI, Dec. 15, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- The worldwide solar market demand in 2014 was approximately at 44GW, even though the China market did not perform as well as expectations, due to the continuous growth in Japan and the U.S. market, the supply and demand remained stable. At the end of 2014, the overall supply chain maintained a solid utilization rate, while China's tier-one module manufacturers also continued to break shipment records. Jason Huang, Research Manager at EnergyTrend, a research division of TrendForce, indicates that the 2015 worldwide solar demand is projected at 51.4GW, with the key markets remaining inChina, United States, and Japan, taking up 57% of the overall share, yet it is slightly lower than that of 2014. The rise of the emerging markets (the solar installation countries that are out of top 10) has begun to appear starting the second half of 2014. In 2015, the growth momentum of the emerging markets will become more apparent, and the overall demand will surpass 10GW.

2015 Solar Market's 5 Major Trends as follows:

And?

And Chinese Solar, is going Bankrupt

China s Suntech Power U.S. Unit Seeks Bankruptcy Protection - Bloomberg

China’s Suntech Power U.S. Unit Seeks Bankruptcy Protection
By Michael Bathon Jan 12, 2015 1:23 PM PT

I guess a lot changes in one month.

 

[Old Rocks]

The '50's and '60's were great years for the US auto makers. Yet Studebaker and American Motors disappeared. No, nothing changed, the expection that 2015 will be a great year for solar has not changed. One manufacturer has to remake itself, or die. That is capitalism, if your business model does not work, you go out of business.

 

[jasonnfree]

Solar is now the second most installed sources of energy in this country! Most likely over 5gw for one year...Natural gas will get around 8gw.

Pretty good for a failed fraud of an energy source!

Without government subsidies, the amount of solar installed would be zero. Free land is a huge government subsidy.

Without eminent domain the Keystone pipeline wouldn't have been built. If we count the wars big oil has got USA involved in worldwide, then the big oil companies are by far the big freeloaders due to our tax funded military protecting them so they don't have to hire mercenaries for protection. And this doesn't even include the pollution involved with petroleum products. Go solar go.

 

[bripat9643]

Solar is now the second most installed sources of energy in this country! Most likely over 5gw for one year...Natural gas will get around 8gw.

Pretty good for a failed fraud of an energy source!

Without government subsidies, the amount of solar installed would be zero. Free land is a huge government subsidy.

Without eminent domain the Keystone pipeline wouldn't have been built. If we count the wars big oil has got USA involved in worldwide, then the big oil companies are by far the big freeloaders due to our tax funded military protecting them so they don't have to hire mercenaries for protection. And this doesn't even include the pollution involved with petroleum products. Go solar go.

That's all complete horseshit. We haven't fought a single war at the request of any oil company. The cost of pollution is close to zero. There is simply negligible pollution. The Keystone pipeline hasn't been built yet, and even if it was, eminent domain doesn't have a cost to the federal government.

In short, like all AGW cult members, you're full of shit.

 

[woolster22]

Solar is now the second most installed sources of energy in this country! Most likely over 5gw for one year...Natural gas will get around 8gw.

Pretty good for a failed fraud of an energy source!

Without government subsidies, the amount of solar installed would be zero. Free land is a huge government subsidy.

Without eminent domain the Keystone pipeline wouldn't have been built. If we count the wars big oil has got USA involved in worldwide, then the big oil companies are by far the big freeloaders due to our tax funded military protecting them so they don't have to hire mercenaries for protection. And this doesn't even include the pollution involved with petroleum products. Go solar go.

That's all complete horseshit. We haven't fought a single war at the request of any oil company. The cost of pollution is close to zero. There is simply negligible pollution. The Keystone pipeline hasn't been built yet, and even if it was, eminent domain doesn't have a cost to the federal government.

In short, like all AGW cult members, you're full of shit.

land owners must be reimbursed fair market value for any claimed land.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

 

[bripat9643]

Solar is now the second most installed sources of energy in this country! Most likely over 5gw for one year...Natural gas will get around 8gw.

Pretty good for a failed fraud of an energy source!

Without government subsidies, the amount of solar installed would be zero. Free land is a huge government subsidy.

Without eminent domain the Keystone pipeline wouldn't have been built. If we count the wars big oil has got USA involved in worldwide, then the big oil companies are by far the big freeloaders due to our tax funded military protecting them so they don't have to hire mercenaries for protection. And this doesn't even include the pollution involved with petroleum products. Go solar go.

That's all complete horseshit. We haven't fought a single war at the request of any oil company. The cost of pollution is close to zero. There is simply negligible pollution. The Keystone pipeline hasn't been built yet, and even if it was, eminent domain doesn't have a cost to the federal government.

In short, like all AGW cult members, you're full of shit.

land owners must be reimbursed fair market value for any claimed land.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

The federal government isn't paying for the land. The company building the pipeline pays for it.

 

[jasonnfree]

Solar is now the second most installed sources of energy in this country! Most likely over 5gw for one year...Natural gas will get around 8gw.

Pretty good for a failed fraud of an energy source!

Without government subsidies, the amount of solar installed would be zero. Free land is a huge government subsidy.

Without eminent domain the Keystone pipeline wouldn't have been built. If we count the wars big oil has got USA involved in worldwide, then the big oil companies are by far the big freeloaders due to our tax funded military protecting them so they don't have to hire mercenaries for protection. And this doesn't even include the pollution involved with petroleum products. Go solar go.

That's all complete horseshit. We haven't fought a single war at the request of any oil company. The cost of pollution is close to zero. There is simply negligible pollution. The Keystone pipeline hasn't been built yet, and even if it was, eminent domain doesn't have a cost to the federal government.

In short, like all AGW cult members, you're full of shit.

land owners must be reimbursed fair market value for any claimed land.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

The federal government isn't paying for the land. The company building the pipeline pays for it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it's a foreign company taking advantage of our eminent domain laws to build their pipeline for a profit. Doesn't that seem a little over the top?

 

[jasonnfree]

Solar is now the second most installed sources of energy in this country! Most likely over 5gw for one year...Natural gas will get around 8gw.

Pretty good for a failed fraud of an energy source!

Without government subsidies, the amount of solar installed would be zero. Free land is a huge government subsidy.

Without eminent domain the Keystone pipeline wouldn't have been built. If we count the wars big oil has got USA involved in worldwide, then the big oil companies are by far the big freeloaders due to our tax funded military protecting them so they don't have to hire mercenaries for protection. And this doesn't even include the pollution involved with petroleum products. Go solar go.

That's all complete horseshit. We haven't fought a single war at the request of any oil company. The cost of pollution is close to zero. There is simply negligible pollution. The Keystone pipeline hasn't been built yet, and even if it was, eminent domain doesn't have a cost to the federal government.

In short, like all AGW cult members, you're full of shit.

What do you think all our military actions in the Middle East for decades, has been about, if not oil? Sand? Camels? The military injured health care is paid for by the taxpayers, sometimes for the rest of their lives. The dead. They died for oil. The oil companies? Filthy rich and always devising ways of not paying taxes. The old socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor routine.

 

[elektra]

Solar is now the second most installed sources of energy in this country! Most likely over 5gw for one year...Natural gas will get around 8gw.

Pretty good for a failed fraud of an energy source!

Without government subsidies, the amount of solar installed would be zero. Free land is a huge government subsidy.

Without eminent domain the Keystone pipeline wouldn't have been built. If we count the wars big oil has got USA involved in worldwide, then the big oil companies are by far the big freeloaders due to our tax funded military protecting them so they don't have to hire mercenaries for protection. And this doesn't even include the pollution involved with petroleum products. Go solar go.

Without eminent domain, Solar would not get 1,000's of square miles of Real Estate for pennies.

Without an increase in Oil Consumption, we could not industrialize 1,000's of square miles of Real Estate for Solar Energy.

Without Big Oil Companies, Solar Energy would not have the increase in the production of PetroChemicals that Solar Energy consumes, in the manufacturing process.

Pollution, Green Energy destroys miles of Earth, Green Energy spews toxins into the Atmosphere during manufacturing. Green Energy consumes millions of tons of Concrete which burbs the largest amount of CO2 then any other industry.

Solar is the Freeloader, on the Environment, on our wallets.

Without the big Oil Companies, Solar and Wind technologies would not have the Billions of Tons of raw materials they consume.

Without Oil, in large quantities, you would not have food let along electricity.

Those who support Solar are literally the most ignorant among us.

 

[Old Rocks]

Infographic Affordable Rooftop Solar in the United States Union of Concerned Scientists

Infographic: Affordable Rooftop Solar in the United States
By 2017, more than half of U.S. states could have rooftop solar that's as cheap as local electricity rates.

Rooftop solar costs are falling
Since 2007, the cost of installing an average-sized rooftop solar system has nearly halved. In fact, after accounting for tax credits, rebates, and other support, in leading states a 5 kilowatt system could cost homeowners less than $10,000.

Many homeowners have the option of leasing, potentially paying nothing for installation and instead paying ongoing monthly fees.

Solar is increasingly affordable everywhere
The plunging costs of solar systems and the broad availability of sunlight mean that rooftop systems are increasingly able to compete with electricity from the grid around the country. By comparing average local electricity costs with the projected average national price of an installed rooftop solar system, we can estimate the percentage of states that may have—or may soon have—competitive rooftop solar power.

The result? By 2017, more than half of U.S. states could have rooftop solar that’s as cheap as grid electricity—even without considering state and local incentives. Most regions already have a state that’s cost competitive, and many more states may soon come online.

Solar will become one of the three pillars of the coming energy triad in this nation, wind, solar, and geolthermal.

 

[elektra]

Infographic Affordable Rooftop Solar in the United States Union of Concerned Scientists

Infographic: Affordable Rooftop Solar in the United States
By 2017, more than half of U.S. states could have rooftop solar that's as cheap as local electricity rates.

Rooftop solar costs are falling
Since 2007, the cost of installing an average-sized rooftop solar system has nearly halved. In fact, after accounting for tax credits, rebates, and other support, in leading states a 5 kilowatt system could cost homeowners less than $10,000.

Many homeowners have the option of leasing, potentially paying nothing for installation and instead paying ongoing monthly fees.

Solar is increasingly affordable everywhere
The plunging costs of solar systems and the broad availability of sunlight mean that rooftop systems are increasingly able to compete with electricity from the grid around the country. By comparing average local electricity costs with the projected average national price of an installed rooftop solar system, we can estimate the percentage of states that may have—or may soon have—competitive rooftop solar power.

The result? By 2017, more than half of U.S. states could have rooftop solar that’s as cheap as grid electricity—even without considering state and local incentives. Most regions already have a state that’s cost competitive, and many more states may soon come online.

Solar will become one of the three pillars of the coming energy triad in this nation, wind, solar, and geolthermal.

And here you have it folks, when we speak of INDUSTRY, Old Crock replies with propaganda by a Fake-Science site stating we can buy rooftop Solar for our homes at a price of 22,000$, WITHOUT THE COST OF FINANCE factored in.

Really Old Crock, Bank Loans for Solar which is Obsolete today?

idiots! Old Crock, this OP is about Industry, the Solar Industry, not some toy you buy for your house.

 

[Old Rocks]

The home installations that are grid tied are part of the solar industry. What idiots like you don't realize is that we are on the cusp of a paradigm in energy generation, a distributed grid where consumers can also be producers.

 

[elektra]

The home installations that are grid tied are part of the solar industry. What idiots like you don't realize is that we are on the cusp of a paradigm in energy generation, a distributed grid where consumers can also be producers.

Hell, we should be after spending over 500$ Billion in just a few years, what is that total spent Old Crock, lets say world wide? At least a 100$ Billion in Spain, Over a 100$ Billion in Germany, how much in England?

Can we account for the money spent in our Universities on Research? Billions?

How much have we spent in the USA, 100's of Billions?

When have we spent so much and received so little in return, literally nothing. Ivanpah a complete failure.

Courts in Los Angeles rule that the Government can not force consumers to buy Expensive Electricity from rooftop Solar, something about Government can not force a product from a specific Corporation in a government controlled monopoly.

And now Old Crock states we are the cusp of greatness with Solar?

Solar can not provide the continued peak power we need to run Industry or Commercial Businesses and it can not supply the demand of Homes in the Evening, yet we are told if we only could buy Giant Duracell "DDD" batteries all will be well, once they figure out to control the runaway heat and can get the cost under 20k$

Anybody got 20K for a giant Duracell "DDD"?

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Rant, rave, foam at the mouth, and post all the lies that please you. You cannot change what is to be. Solar and wind, as well as geothermal, are the future. All that could derail that is the successful development of fusion, hot or cold. petroleum will be relegated to a very important industrial stock, and coal power will be as passe as horse power.

And we can look forward to clean air and water, and, if the tipping points have already not been reached, perhaps we can avoid the worst in climate change.

 

[elektra]

LOL. Rant, rave, foam at the mouth, and post all the lies that please you. You cannot change what is to be. Solar and wind, as well as geothermal, are the future. All that could derail that is the successful development of fusion, hot or cold. petroleum will be relegated to a very important industrial stock, and coal power will be as passe as horse power.

And we can look forward to clean air and water, and, if the tipping points have already not been reached, perhaps we can avoid the worst in climate change.

Excepting that you just ignored 6 replies to your posts in 3 different threads? Why is that Old Crock?

Solar, and Wind, will never supply power to Commercial business nor any sort of Industry.

Geothermal is even more limited.

Solar, Wind, and Geothermal are simply, "MONEY PITS".

The "Rant", is always that of Old Crock, obviously Old Crock is, "Projecting". Foaming at the mouth.

 

[ogibillm]

The rule the op rants about - it's not unique to solar energy.

Thread fail.

 

[Manonthestreet]