US Unaware Iran Leading Iraq Fight for Tikrit

depo 10896551
You really, really are not fooling those that have kept close tabs on the facts, not spouted left wing lies.

What facts are you keeping tabs on? You can't grasp the definition of the word "foresee". It is not a complex word. How on earth could you many to grasp a series of complex but understandable facts.

Define a lie that I have written here.

You got nothing. This is your run-away post. And a weak one at that.
 
Yup, so after all the gains and American lives lost in Iraq, Bush handed DUFUS Obama a stable country with an elected govt., which Obama then proceeded to throw away everything that had been achieved and destabilized Iraq allowing terrorists like ISIS to control of entire regions, to the point that we now have the Iranians in Iraq fighting to take over cities the Americans had liberated.

Good job Hussien Oblahblah. You shamed and humiliated America once again.
 
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Qods Jerusalem Force

Many U.S. experts believe that the Quds forces have provided significant transfers of weapons to Shi‘ite (and perhaps some Sunni) elements in Iraq. These may include the shaped charge components used in some IEDs [improvised explosive devices] in Iraq and the more advanced components used in explosively formed projectiles, including the weapon assembly, copper slugs, radio links used to activate such devices, and the infrared triggering mechanisms. These devices were very similar to those used in Lebanon, and some seem to operate on the same radio frequencies. Shaped charge weapons first began to appear in Iraq in August 2003, but became a serious threat in 2005. In January 2008, Iran‘s Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) decided to place all Iranian operations in Iraq under the command of the Quds forces. Qods provided support to three extremist Shi`a groups: Asaib Ahl al-Haq (AAH), Kataib Hizb Allah (KH), and the Promised Day Brigades (PDB).

By 2007 the Qods Force was the Iranian regime’s primary instrument for providing lethal support to the Taliban. The Qods Force provided weapons and financial support to the Taliban to support anti-U.S. and anti-Coalition activity in Afghanistan. Since at least 2006, Iran has arranged frequent shipments of small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, plastic explosives, and probably man-portable defense systems to the Taliban. This support contravenes Chapter VII UN Security Council obligations. UN Security Council resolution 1267 established sanctions against the Taliban and UN Security Council resolutions 1333 and 1735 imposed arms embargoes against the Taliban. Through Qods Force material support to the Taliban, Iran sought to inflict casualties on U.S. and NATO forces.

Who was US Commander in Chief when all this killing of American Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan by Iranians was supposedly going on?
 
roud 10902022
gains and American lives lost in Iraq, Bush handed DUFUS Obama a stable country with an elected govt., which Obama then proceeded to throw away everything that had been achieved and destabiliziíuued Iraq allowing terrorists like ISIS to control of entire regions, to the point that we now have the Iranians in Iraq fighting to take over cities the Americans had liberated.

America did not liberate the Sunnis that used to live in a Baghdad . They bombed and invaded Baghdad and then stood by for fours years watching Shiites with Iranian militia backing commit genocide against the Sunnis. The reprisals by Shiites flipped Baghdad from a Sunni majority City to a Shiite majority city. America did not liberate Anbar Province and other Sunni dominated areas. They were at war with the Sunnis and allowed al Qaeda to form in those areas from which to launch attacks against Shiites in Baghdad. The latter attacks never really stopped even after the surge. Nothing was resolved politically when Bush surrendered to Maliki in 2008.
 
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Fighting isis doesn't make Iran into a good guy fighting for peace and justice. Iran is no different than isis. Isis wants to create an isis caliphate. Iran wants to create an Iranian caliphate.

How many countries has Iran invaded since 1945?
How many countries has Iran attacked since 1945?
How many countries has Iran committed terrorist attacks in since 1945?
How many countries has Iran secretly carpet bombed since 1945?
How many countries has Iran destabilised, putting their pet dictators in power, since 1945?
How many times has Iran removed the democratically elected government of the USA since 1945?

Now - ask the same questions of America, except the last one must be changed to - how many times has America removed the democratically elected government of Iran.

Who's the bad guy?
How many countries has Iran invaded since 1945? At least 4.
How many countries has Iran attacked since 1945? At least 8.
How many countries has Iran committed terrorist attacks in since 1945? At least 10.
How many countries has Iran secretly carpet bombed since 1945? How do you "secretly" carpet bomb? Moron.
How many countries has Iran destabilised, putting their pet dictators in power, since 1945? 4.
How many times has Iran removed the democratically elected government of the USA since 1945? Hah? Make some sense for a change.

Who's the bad guy? Iran. Duhhhhhh.

But you can't name them.
As for secret bombing.

FRONTLINE WORLD . Cambodia - Pol Pot s Shadow . Chronicle of Survival . 1969-1974 Caught in the crossfire PBS

On March 18, 1969, American B-52s began carpet-bombing eastern Cambodia. "Operation Breakfast" was the first course in a four-year bombing campaign that drew Cambodia headlong into the Vietnam War. The Nixon Administration kept the bombings secret from Congress for several months, insisting they were directed against legitimate Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge targets. However, the raids exacted an enormous cost from the Cambodian people: the US dropped 540,000 tons of bombs , killing anywhere from 150,000 to 500,000 civilians.
 
Fighting isis doesn't make Iran into a good guy fighting for peace and justice. Iran is no different than isis. Isis wants to create an isis caliphate. Iran wants to create an Iranian caliphate.

How many countries has Iran invaded since 1945?
How many countries has Iran attacked since 1945?
How many countries has Iran committed terrorist attacks in since 1945?
How many countries has Iran secretly carpet bombed since 1945?
How many countries has Iran destabilised, putting their pet dictators in power, since 1945?
How many times has Iran removed the democratically elected government of the USA since 1945?

Now - ask the same questions of America, except the last one must be changed to - how many times has America removed the democratically elected government of Iran.

Who's the bad guy?
How many countries has Iran invaded since 1945? At least 4.
How many countries has Iran attacked since 1945? At least 8.
How many countries has Iran committed terrorist attacks in since 1945? At least 10.
How many countries has Iran secretly carpet bombed since 1945? How do you "secretly" carpet bomb? Moron.
How many countries has Iran destabilised, putting their pet dictators in power, since 1945? 4.
How many times has Iran removed the democratically elected government of the USA since 1945? Hah? Make some sense for a change.

Who's the bad guy? Iran. Duhhhhhh.

But you can't name them.
As for secret bombing.

FRONTLINE WORLD . Cambodia - Pol Pot s Shadow . Chronicle of Survival . 1969-1974 Caught in the crossfire PBS

On March 18, 1969, American B-52s began carpet-bombing eastern Cambodia. "Operation Breakfast" was the first course in a four-year bombing campaign that drew Cambodia headlong into the Vietnam War. The Nixon Administration kept the bombings secret from Congress for several months, insisting they were directed against legitimate Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge targets. However, the raids exacted an enormous cost from the Cambodian people: the US dropped 540,000 tons of bombs , killing anywhere from 150,000 to 500,000 civilians.

Name what? The fact that Iran has taken over four ME nations? Or all the various terrorist acts throughout the world that The Islamist regime or their proxies have committed? Not everyone is as ignorant as you are.

So now we're going back to Vietnam and Cambodia? Did you forget the million people that died in a decade of Iran going to war with Iraq after the Islamists took over?
 
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roud 10902022
gains and American lives lost in Iraq, Bush handed DUFUS Obama a stable country with an elected govt., which Obama then proceeded to throw away everything that had been achieved and destabiliziíuued Iraq allowing terrorists like ISIS to control of entire regions, to the point that we now have the Iranians in Iraq fighting to take over cities the Americans had liberated.

America did not liberate the Sunnis that used to live in a Baghdad . They bombed and invaded Baghdad and then stood by for fours years watching Shiites with Iranian militia backing commit genocide against the Sunnis. The reprisals by Shiites flipped Baghdad from a Sunni majority City to a Shiite majority city. America did not liberate Anbar Province and other Sunni dominated areas. They were at war with the Sunnis and allowed al Qaeda to form in those areas from which to launch attacks against Shiites in Baghdad. The latter attacks never really stopped even after the surge. Nothing was resolved politically when Bush surrendered to Maliki in 2008.

Now you're spinning if not outright lying about Obama's disastrous ME policy. It was Sadam that the genocidal madman that was removed from power, the Iraqi people voted in a govt. and for the first time Iraq had become an ally of the U.S. Iraq was a stable country and its military and ipolice force were in full control, and Islamic terrorism had become practically non existent. It was Bush's surge that had brought this success, which the Democrats and especially Obama were totally against.

Fast forward to Obama's presidency, despite the insistence and pleading by the generals, Obama removed the US forces too early, the Iraqi army collapsed and many of the cities fought and won by American blood were regained by Islamic terrorists. The media which has of course become a propoganda arm of the Democrst party fails to mention that what is now happening in Iraq is all Obama's fault, as usual. In fact most of the turmoil we see in the ME today and one nation after another falling under Islamist control, with the region about to explode, is a direct or indirect result of Obama's failures.
 
Roud 10903842
It was Sadam that the genocidal madman that was removed from power, the Iraqi people voted in a govt. and for the first time Iraq had become an ally of the U.S. Iraq was a stable country and its military and ipolice force were in full control, and Islamic terrorism had become practically non existent.

Saddam Hussein was not committing genocide at the time of the US invasion. The genocide against Sunnis in Bagdad started soon after the Baathists were removed and Iraq's army was disbanded. Bush brought the Badr Brigades into Iraq from Iran and held hands with the militia's political leader in the a White House. The lies are all yours:

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You can run but you can't hide from that photo and the reality that destroying Iraq's Sunni Army is what gave Iran a major role in Iraq on every level and Shiite dominance over the Sunnis that were not in a civil war with Shiites or Kurds until Bush stupidly invaded Iraq rather than let the UN disarm Iraq as he said he really wanted them to do.
 
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Roud 10903842
Fast forward to Obama's presidency, despite the insistence and pleading by the generals, Obama removed the US forces too early, the

Not one single US General active or retired, or Pentagon adviser insisted or pled for Obama to leave one single US soldier in Iraq beyond the Bush Maliki deadline of January 1, 2012 if those troops don't get the same protections approved by Iraq's Parliament just like Bush's deal was in 2008.

Your statement is a lie as stated. You need to correct it or provide the names who Objected to Obama's demands that our troops are protected from Sharia Law in Iraqi courts.
 
It was Sadam that the genocidal madman that was removed from power, the Iraqi people voted in a govt. and for the first time Iraq had become an ally of the U.S. Iraq was a stable country and its military and ipolice force were in full control, and Islamic terrorism had become practically non existent.

Saddam Hussein was not committing genocide at the time of the US invasion. The genocide against Sunnis in Bagdad started soon after the Baathists were removed and Iraq's army was disbanded. Bush brought the Badr Brigades into Iraq from Iran and held hands with the militia's political leader in the a White House. The lies are all yours:


You can run but you can't hide from that photo and the reality that destroying Iraq's Sunni Army is what gave Iran a major role in Iraq on every level and Shiite dominance over the Sunnis that were not in a civil war with Shiites or Kurds until Bush stupidly invaded Iraq rather than let the UN disarm Iraq as he said he really wanted them to do.

Bullshit. Iraq was a stable nation when Obama came to power. There were Sunnis in the newly formed democratic govt. Genocide? Hardly, not even close, and a blatant lie. Sunni's were upset that they no longer totally control all of Iraq and get to oppress and persecute, like it was before when Sadam was in Power. Iraq as one of the Sunni Caliphates has a special meaning for Muslims and in Islamic history.

Obama pulled the rug from under Iraq which allowed Iran to have more and more influence in the Iraqi affairs. And now Iran has invaded Iraq and fighting to commit ethnic cleansing on the Sunnis in Tikrit.

We owe this entire mess in the Middle East to Obama. Of course you Obama worshippers will never face the reality of the disaster that his presidency has been.
 
Roud 10903842
Fast forward to Obama's presidency, despite the insistence and pleading by the generals, Obama removed the US forces too early, the

Not one single US General active or retired, or Pentagon adviser insisted or pled for Obama to leave one single US soldier in Iraq beyond the Bush Maliki deadline of January 1, 2012 if those troops don't get the same protections approved by Iraq's Parliament just like Bush's deal was in 2008.

Your statement is a lie as stated. You need to correct it or provide the names who Objected to Obama's demands that our troops are protected from Sharia Law in Iraqi courts.

Hah! Obama went against the advice of his generals and pulled out the troops just to score some campaign points. We all remember that. The great humanitarian Nobel prize winner sent the enitre region into turmoil and caused half a million deaths so far.

Obama ignored general s pleas to keep American forces in Iraq - Washington Times

U.S. to pull out of Iraq after nearly 9 years of war Reuters
 
Roud 10903842
Fast forward to Obama's presidency, despite the insistence and pleading by the generals, Obama removed the US forces too early, the

Not one single US General active or retired, or Pentagon adviser insisted or pled for Obama to leave one single US soldier in Iraq beyond the Bush Maliki deadline of January 1, 2012 if those troops don't get the same protections approved by Iraq's Parliament just like Bush's deal was in 2008.

Your statement is a lie as stated. You need to correct it or provide the names who Objected to Obama's demands that our troops are protected from Sharia Law in Iraqi courts.

Hah! Obama went against the advice of his generals and pulled out the troops just to score some campaign points. We all remember that. The great humanitarian Nobel prize winner sent the enitre region into turmoil and caused half a million deaths so far.

Obama ignored general s pleas to keep American forces in Iraq - Washington Times

U.S. to pull out of Iraq after nearly 9 years of war Reuters

Yeah, it's a shame when voters within a democracy get what they vote for.
 
Roud 10903842
Fast forward to Obama's presidency, despite the insistence and pleading by the generals, Obama removed the US forces too early, the

Not one single US General active or retired, or Pentagon adviser insisted or pled for Obama to leave one single US soldier in Iraq beyond the Bush Maliki deadline of January 1, 2012 if those troops don't get the same protections approved by Iraq's Parliament just like Bush's deal was in 2008.

Your statement is a lie as stated. You need to correct it or provide the names who Objected to Obama's demands that our troops are protected from Sharia Law in Iraqi courts.

Hah! Obama went against the advice of his generals and pulled out the troops just to score some campaign points. We all remember that. The great humanitarian Nobel prize winner sent the enitre region into turmoil and caused half a million deaths so far.

Obama ignored general s pleas to keep American forces in Iraq - Washington Times

U.S. to pull out of Iraq after nearly 9 years of war Reuters

Yeah, it's a shame when voters within a democracy get what they vote for.
Sure is. But in this case Obama sure fooled a lot of people, even many of the liberals and leftists didn't think he would be such a radical. :cool:
 
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Qods Jerusalem Force

Many U.S. experts believe that the Quds forces have provided significant transfers of weapons to Shi‘ite (and perhaps some Sunni) elements in Iraq. These may include the shaped charge components used in some IEDs [improvised explosive devices] in Iraq and the more advanced components used in explosively formed projectiles, including the weapon assembly, copper slugs, radio links used to activate such devices, and the infrared triggering mechanisms. These devices were very similar to those used in Lebanon, and some seem to operate on the same radio frequencies. Shaped charge weapons first began to appear in Iraq in August 2003, but became a serious threat in 2005. In January 2008, Iran‘s Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) decided to place all Iranian operations in Iraq under the command of the Quds forces. Qods provided support to three extremist Shi`a groups: Asaib Ahl al-Haq (AAH), Kataib Hizb Allah (KH), and the Promised Day Brigades (PDB).

By 2007 the Qods Force was the Iranian regime’s primary instrument for providing lethal support to the Taliban. The Qods Force provided weapons and financial support to the Taliban to support anti-U.S. and anti-Coalition activity in Afghanistan. Since at least 2006, Iran has arranged frequent shipments of small arms and associated ammunition, rocket propelled grenades, mortar rounds, 107mm rockets, plastic explosives, and probably man-portable defense systems to the Taliban. This support contravenes Chapter VII UN Security Council obligations. UN Security Council resolution 1267 established sanctions against the Taliban and UN Security Council resolutions 1333 and 1735 imposed arms embargoes against the Taliban. Through Qods Force material support to the Taliban, Iran sought to inflict casualties on U.S. and NATO forces.

Who was US Commander in Chief when all this killing of American Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan by Iranians was supposedly going on?
It happened under Bush and it happened under Obama............

I have a problem with it under either................now we have one getting too damned cozy in a deal with Iran............

IRAN WILL NOT HONOR ANY AGREEMENT....................No matter what they say...............They are just buying time with BS as they proceed to do as they please anyway...............

You don't make deals with Liars............PERHAPS the Liar N Chief feels comfortable around them, as they Lie just like he does.
 
and for the first time Iraq had become an ally of the U.S.

An ally nation does not demand that US troops leave the country entirely by a date certain as they did in 2008.

The first set of maps show what Bush's invasion did to Baghdad:



    1. There are few grimmer symbols for the devastation of the Iraq War than what it did to Baghdad's once-diverse neighborhoods. The map on the left shows the city's religious make-up in 2005. Mixed neighborhoods, then the norm, are in yellow. The map on right shows what it looked like by 2007, after two awful years of Sunni-Shia killing: bombings (shown with red dots), death squads, and militias. Coerced evictions and thousands of deaths effectively cleansed neighborhoods, to be mostly Shia (blue) or mostly Sunni (red). Since late 2012, the sectarian civil war has ramped back up, in Baghdad and nationwide.

      The 2005 map was not restored by the surge of 2007. Our new so-called ally took advantage of US military presence and turned Bagdad into a Shiite powered capitol city with both groups divided along sectarian boundaries where Shiites had dominant control over Sunnis and under Maliki it became an abusive regime against the Sunnis. Not a good ally Bush left behind.



      Aaron Zelin

      This map is hypothetical, but the fact that it exists at all speaks to ISIS's ambition. Aaron Zelin, an analyst at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, found this 2006 map produced by ISIS, showing the areas it hoped to control and overlapping oil sources. The correctness of the map aside (there is not actually much oil in this area, despite the little derrick icons), it shows that the group has been thinking about the economics of its war and how to self-fund. It currently controls much of this desired territory, and some reports indicate ISIS has enough some oil production and refinery facilities, a big step toward being able to fund its own war.

      ISIS did not form because Obama would not keep troops in Iraq subject to Iraqi Shiite Sharia law.



      Institute for the Study of War

      Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki did a lot to assist in ISIS's rise. Since becoming Prime Minister in 2006, he has centralized a great deal of power in his office, and run the Iraqi government along Shia sectarian lines. Naturally, this infuriated Sunnis, who organized a series of protests around the country in 2012. These continued into 2013, and the Maliki government began to see them as a serious problem. Unable or unwilling to resolve the protests politically, the Maliki government turned to force. His security forces killed 56 people at protest in the northern town Hawija alone in April 2013. The forcible breakup of the protest movement convinced some Sunnis that their only solution was military, helping militant groups like ISIS and the more secular Jaysh Rijal al-Tariqa al-Naqshbandia (JRTN) recruit from and curry favor with the Sunni minority.

The time to stop Maliki from running the Iraqi government along Shia sectarian lines was before giving him the deal that all US troops had to be gone by 2012.

Then US troops are gone when gone Maliki kills 56 Sunni protesters and you want to call him a good US ally. And you think that Obama should have provided US troops to support a killer regime that Bush helped bring to power in 2006.

You people are sick with hatred of Obama. That is the only explanation for such irrational thought.



Maps and commentary courtesy of 27 maps that explain the crisis in Iraq vox.com
 
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eagl 10907812
You don't make deals with Liars

Obama should not take advice from established partisan liars of the political opposition that don't have American interest and security as their primary objective.
BS...........His Foreign policy is a Joke and has been bitched slapped across the globe due to being inept.

How did Egypt go......................
How about Libya.........it's hosed over there......
How about Yemen as we got kicked out......
And now he trying to cut deals with a country most sane people always consider the enemy.

Bush should have hit their asses back then...........and taken out the sites...........
At a minimum he SHOULDN'T STOP ISRAEL from doing so............OR THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE IT.

Your the partisan hack, who supports anything Obama does.
 
What the heck is going on here and over there? We were surprised by Iranians leading Iraqi troops to try to retake Tikrit?

So, we were never told about it or asked to join forces, yet we supplied the weapons.
I do believe they call it a war my good fellow....
 
and for the first time Iraq had become an ally of the U.S.

An ally nation does not demand that US troops leave the country entirely by a date certain as they did in 2008.

The first set of maps show what Bush's invasion did to Baghdad:



    1. There are few grimmer symbols for the devastation of the Iraq War than what it did to Baghdad's once-diverse neighborhoods. The map on the left shows the city's religious make-up in 2005. Mixed neighborhoods, then the norm, are in yellow. The map on right shows what it looked like by 2007, after two awful years of Sunni-Shia killing: bombings (shown with red dots), death squads, and militias. Coerced evictions and thousands of deaths effectively cleansed neighborhoods, to be mostly Shia (blue) or mostly Sunni (red). Since late 2012, the sectarian civil war has ramped back up, in Baghdad and nationwide.

      The 2005 map was not restored by the surge of 2007. Our new so-called ally took advantage of US military presence and turned Bagdad into a Shiite powered capitol city with both groups divided along sectarian boundaries where Shiites had dominant control over Sunnis and under Maliki it became an abusive regime against the Sunnis. Not a good ally Bush left behind.



      Aaron Zelin

      This map is hypothetical, but the fact that it exists at all speaks to ISIS's ambition. Aaron Zelin, an analyst at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, found this 2006 map produced by ISIS, showing the areas it hoped to control and overlapping oil sources. The correctness of the map aside (there is not actually much oil in this area, despite the little derrick icons), it shows that the group has been thinking about the economics of its war and how to self-fund. It currently controls much of this desired territory, and some reports indicate ISIS has enough some oil production and refinery facilities, a big step toward being able to fund its own war.

      ISIS did not form because Obama would not keep troops in Iraq subject to Iraqi Shiite Sharia law.



      Institute for the Study of War

      Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki did a lot to assist in ISIS's rise. Since becoming Prime Minister in 2006, he has centralized a great deal of power in his office, and run the Iraqi government along Shia sectarian lines. Naturally, this infuriated Sunnis, who organized a series of protests around the country in 2012. These continued into 2013, and the Maliki government began to see them as a serious problem. Unable or unwilling to resolve the protests politically, the Maliki government turned to force. His security forces killed 56 people at protest in the northern town Hawija alone in April 2013. The forcible breakup of the protest movement convinced some Sunnis that their only solution was military, helping militant groups like ISIS and the more secular Jaysh Rijal al-Tariqa al-Naqshbandia (JRTN) recruit from and curry favor with the Sunni minority.

The time to stop Maliki from running the Iraqi government along Shia sectarian lines was before giving him the deal that all US troops had to be gone by 2012.

Then US troops are gone when gone Maliki kills 56 Sunni protesters and you want to call him a good US ally. And you think that Obama should have provided US troops to support a killer regime that Bush helped bring to power in 2006.

You people are sick with hatred of Obama. That is the only explanation for such irrational thought.



Maps and commentary courtesy of 27 maps that explain the crisis in Iraq vox.com

56 Sunnis! Oh boy how does that compare to the 15,000 Kurds Sadam killed in one day when he dropped poison gas on them? Oh I'm sorry, Sadam had no WMD, what am I talking about? You Obama worshippers seem to forget all the horrors of Sadam and the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, sunni and Shia he killed and Tortured.

Nah, you're just trying to put a good face on the fuckup that Obama is. There is no doubt that had he not pulled out the troops too early and pulled the rug from under Iraq we wouldn't be in this situation, that IRAN is now recapturing Tikrit, a city that Americans had conquered a long time ago.

And lets not forget that RED LINE our strong, decisive (or is it deceptive) leader drew for Assad. He sure followed up on that one didn't he? What a joke he is.

Yes, Obama turned his back on Iraq and Iran walked right in. He capitulated to Assad and hundreds of thousands more Syrians were slaughtered and ISIS was formed. He painted this rosy picture of an Arab Spring and all we got was an Islamist nightmare.

Great president we have in office. You should be proud.
 
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