US Might free Jonathan Pollard

[JoeB131]

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Give it a rest, Joe. The International Solidarity Movement is not a peace activist group even if they say they are. So, Joe, if you are such a great humanitarian, why are you only concentrating on Israel and the territories when innocent people are being blown up all over the Middle East. Are these people nothing to you even though the bodies are piling up? As far as living someplace where people set themselves off, don't you have any feelings for the innocent Pakistani Muslims who are being blown apart in the marketplaces, at funerals, on pilgrimages, etc. by other Muslims who set themselves off?

Depends. Is blowing people up the official policy of hte Government of Pakistan?

Or are these just terrorists they are unable to control?

Here's a novel idea. How about defending Israel's actions in and of themselves.

 

[JoeB131]

Neighbors have been trying to kill jews since the dawn of time. If they are going to make a stand it might as well be in their historic and religious homeland.
Those trying to kill jews are the ignorant and corrupt of soul.

Or people who don't want them on their land.

Hey, if Space Aliens landed in the US and pushed Americans off their land because "Great Ooog" promised them this land, what do you think Most Americans would do?

Probably about the same thing the Palestinians are.

 

[Sally]

Neighbors have been trying to kill jews since the dawn of time. If they are going to make a stand it might as well be in their historic and religious homeland.
Those trying to kill jews are the ignorant and corrupt of soul.

Or people who don't want them on their land.

Hey, if Space Aliens landed in the US and pushed Americans off their land because "Great Ooog" promised them this land, what do you think Most Americans would do?

Probably about the same thing the Palestinians are.

Oh good, this means that all the Christians left in the Middle East can push the Muslims off their lands since they were there first before the Muslims left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded their countries. Maybe this means that all the Hindus can push the Muslims out of Pakistan since that land was carved out of India.

 

[Sally]

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Give it a rest, Joe. The International Solidarity Movement is not a peace activist group even if they say they are. So, Joe, if you are such a great humanitarian, why are you only concentrating on Israel and the territories when innocent people are being blown up all over the Middle East. Are these people nothing to you even though the bodies are piling up? As far as living someplace where people set themselves off, don't you have any feelings for the innocent Pakistani Muslims who are being blown apart in the marketplaces, at funerals, on pilgrimages, etc. by other Muslims who set themselves off?

Depends. Is blowing people up the official policy of hte Government of Pakistan?

Or are these just terrorists they are unable to control?

Here's a novel idea. How about defending Israel's actions in and of themselves.

The government of Pakistan doesn't do anything. In fact, people are locked up and left to rot for allegedly committing blasphemy. I have a better idea. Since there are posters who don't think you actually care about the Palestinians, how about you defending all those innocent people who are being harassed, murdered, and their houses of worship destroyed in the rest of the Middle East. Then the readers will think you actually care about people where there are no Jews involved.

 

[aris2chat]

Neighbors have been trying to kill jews since the dawn of time. If they are going to make a stand it might as well be in their historic and religious homeland.
Those trying to kill jews are the ignorant and corrupt of soul.

Or people who don't want them on their land.

Hey, if Space Aliens landed in the US and pushed Americans off their land because "Great Ooog" promised them this land, what do you think Most Americans would do?

Probably about the same thing the Palestinians are.

They were invited by the Ottoman. They were invited by the arabs. They were given the right by the LoN and the UN to become a nation in their homeland again.

Palestinians were not a people or a state. The mandate gave them the title when they left requiring only two years of living and working in the mandate.
Arabs came as conquers. Ottoman came as conquers. Jews have always had a presence in their homeland, by any name the land was given.

Jews/Israelis has been recorded by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Phoenicians, Romans Byzantines and even the Arabs as living there. From the Torah, the Bible and even the Quran, it has been the land of the tribes of Israel, blessed by god and promised as their homeland.

Muslims are spread across the world with more than 30 nations they control. Jews have the land of their patriarchates, the land of their torah, the land of their judges and kings where they can be themselves, where they truly belong.

 

[CMike]

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Give it a rest, Joe. The International Solidarity Movement is not a peace activist group even if they say they are. So, Joe, if you are such a great humanitarian, why are you only concentrating on Israel and the territories when innocent people are being blown up all over the Middle East. Are these people nothing to you even though the bodies are piling up? As far as living someplace where people set themselves off, don't you have any feelings for the innocent Pakistani Muslims who are being blown apart in the marketplaces, at funerals, on pilgrimages, etc. by other Muslims who set themselves off?

Depends. Is blowing people up the official policy of hte Government of Pakistan?

Or are these just terrorists they are unable to control?

Here's a novel idea. How about defending Israel's actions in and of themselves.

Their actions don't need defending.

They are protecting themselves with great restraint against people seeking their destruction whom exhibit no restraint and morals.

They even hide under the skirts of their women and behind their children.

They are evil cowards.

 

[JoeB131]

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Oh good, this means that all the Christians left in the Middle East can push the Muslims off their lands since they were there first before the Muslims left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded their countries. Maybe this means that all the Hindus can push the Muslims out of Pakistan since that land was carved out of India.

Perhaps. Demographics is tidal. India is an emerging power.

That said, the Zionists invaded their land. They are pushing back. I don't see a day when they aren't pushing back.

I do see a day when young Israelis figure out that Europe or America might be nicer places to live because no one straps a bomb onto his kid to try to kill you.

 

[JoeB131]

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Their actions don't need defending.

They are protecting themselves with great restraint against people seeking their destruction whom exhibit no restraint and morals.

They even hide under the skirts of their women and behind their children.

They are evil cowards.

again, their lives would not be in danger had they not stolen the holy land of the Muslims to start with.

 

[JoeB131]

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They were invited by the Ottoman. They were invited by the arabs. They were given the right by the LoN and the UN to become a nation in their homeland again.

Palestinians were not a people or a state. The mandate gave them the title when they left requiring only two years of living and working in the mandate.
Arabs came as conquers. Ottoman came as conquers. Jews have always had a presence in their homeland, by any name the land was given.

Jews/Israelis has been recorded by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Phoenicians, Romans Byzantines and even the Arabs as living there. From the Torah, the Bible and even the Quran, it has been the land of the tribes of Israel, blessed by god and promised as their homeland.

Muslims are spread across the world with more than 30 nations they control. Jews have the land of their patriarchates, the land of their torah, the land of their judges and kings where they can be themselves, where they truly belong.

The Arabs and Ottomans did not invite them to set up their own country in defiance of their religion.

We can thank the British for that bit of stupidity.

Here's the thing. the various Islamic rulers were tolerant of the Jews... but there's a difference between "tolerant" and "subserviant"... And that's what they object to.

SO the $64.00 question. Why is this OUR problem?

 

[JoeB131]

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The government of Pakistan doesn't do anything. In fact, people are locked up and left to rot for allegedly committing blasphemy. I have a better idea. Since there are posters who don't think you actually care about the Palestinians, how about you defending all those innocent people who are being harassed, murdered, and their houses of worship destroyed in the rest of the Middle East. Then the readers will think you actually care about people where there are no Jews involved.

You work under a misconception that I care about anyone who is not an American.

If Christians are being victimized by muslims after centuries of peaceful co-existance, then we have to really question why.

Probably because when we bomb and sanction and invade, that's pretty much the only dog they can kick.

 

[Sally]

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The government of Pakistan doesn't do anything. In fact, people are locked up and left to rot for allegedly committing blasphemy. I have a better idea. Since there are posters who don't think you actually care about the Palestinians, how about you defending all those innocent people who are being harassed, murdered, and their houses of worship destroyed in the rest of the Middle East. Then the readers will think you actually care about people where there are no Jews involved.

You work under a misconception that I care about anyone who is not an American.

If Christians are being victimized by muslims after centuries of peaceful co-existance, then we have to really question why.

Probably because when we bomb and sanction and invade, that's pretty much the only dog they can kick.

Joe, Joe, perhaps you should talk to some Middle Eastern Christians or Christians or Hindus from Southeast Asia living here in the U.S. and ask them if the Muslims have been living so peacefully with them all along. Perhaps you could also ask some Buddhists why the Muslims are always killing one of them in southern Thailand. Maybe you can find some Christians from Nigeria who can tell you about the millions of them who were murdered by Muslims in the 1970's. I don't think that any intelligent person feels that it is the the fault of the U.S. that 2 million plus Christians were murdered in the Sudan.

If you can't care about innocent people being persecuted in many places of the world, perhaps then you should just stick to subjects that basically are about what is happening here in America. I am sure you can find plenty to talk about.

 

[MikeK]

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Is it? You might be right.

Do you have examples of other spies from "allied" nations who got softer sentences for the same degree of betrayal?

Robert Kim, an American Citizen who spied for South Korea, was only given 9 years and was released after 7.

Incidently, the South Korean government didn't rally for Kim the way that Israel has rallied for Pollard. They pretty much threw him to the wolves.

In many other categories of criminal offense the severity of punishment is based on seriousness of the crime. My understanding of the Pollard case is his espionage activities inflicted more damage on the security of U.S. intelligence than any other example of spying in our history. Jonathan Pollard Release Would Be 'Insane' - Business Insider

If Obama decides to release Pollard he also should pardon Edward Snowden for his whistleblowing activities the ultimate effect of which has provided the American People with information about their government's activities which they have a right to know. Whereas Pollard's spying caused monumental damage to this Nation's defensive security apparatus, Snowden's revelations have done nothing more damaging than to expose wrongful official conduct which the American People have a right to know about.

 

[JoeB131]

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Joe, Joe, perhaps you should talk to some Middle Eastern Christians or Christians or Hindus from Southeast Asia living here in the U.S. and ask them if the Muslims have been living so peacefully with them all along. Perhaps you could also ask some Buddhists why the Muslims are always killing one of them in southern Thailand. Maybe you can find some Christians from Nigeria who can tell you about the millions of them who were murdered by Muslims in the 1970's. I don't think that any intelligent person feels that it is the the fault of the U.S. that 2 million plus Christians were murdered in the Sudan.

If you can't care about innocent people being persecuted in many places of the world, perhaps then you should just stick to subjects that basically are about what is happening here in America. I am sure you can find plenty to talk about.

When the Zionists stop picking our pockets for billions a year and stop interferring in our politics, THEN I'll stop caring about them.

But your long screed about how "muslims are meanies" is getting a bit tired. Somehow, I don't think you rushed out on 9/11 to sign up for the armed forces.

The Nigerian Civil War had to do with secession, not religion. So kind of a fail there. Incidently, the US DID attempt to prop up the Biafran government, throwing in with SOuth Africa and Rhodesia, while our good buds the British threw in with the Nigerian government.

But, no, it was totally about Religion. Somehow.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get an e-mail from a Nigerian Prince who will tell you about a bunch of money he is trying to get out of the country.

 

[JoeB131]

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Is it? You might be right.

Do you have examples of other spies from "allied" nations who got softer sentences for the same degree of betrayal?

Robert Kim, an American Citizen who spied for South Korea, was only given 9 years and was released after 7.

Incidently, the South Korean government didn't rally for Kim the way that Israel has rallied for Pollard. They pretty much threw him to the wolves.

In many other categories of criminal offense the severity of punishment is based on seriousness of the crime. My understanding of the Pollard case is his espionage activities inflicted more damage on the security of U.S. intelligence than any other example of spying in our history. Jonathan Pollard Release Would Be 'Insane' - Business Insider

If Obama decides to release Pollard he also should pardon Edward Snowden for his whistleblowing activities the ultimate effect of which has provided the American People with information about their government's activities which they have a right to. Whereas Pollard's spying caused monumental damage to this Nation's defensive security apparatus, Snowden's revelations have done nothing more damaging than to expose wrongful official conduct which the American People have a right to know about.

I'd have no problem pardoning Snowden and Bradley/Chelsea Manning while he is at it. These guys didn't release stuff the governmetn doesn't want our enemies to know about,they released stuff our government doesn't want US to know about.

Frankly, I'm not really buying the whole "Pollard did damage to the US" argument.

He gave intelligence about Arab states- particularly Iraq - to the Israelis, who are an "ally". (True, with friends like the Zionists, we could do without enemies!) Intelligence we had promised to share. But because the Reagan Adminstration thought Saddam was a guy we could work with, they didn't hand over that info as promised.

The main problem with our MIddle East policy is that we are caught between our insatiable need for oil, and the vice-grip Zionist groups like AIPAC have on our politicians. So it's kind of understandable that our policies get confused.

Just not seeing what Pollard did as all that bad, given how messed up our policies over there are to start with.

 

[SAYIT]

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Joe, Joe, perhaps you should talk to some Middle Eastern Christians or Christians or Hindus from Southeast Asia living here in the U.S. and ask them if the Muslims have been living so peacefully with them all along. Perhaps you could also ask some Buddhists why the Muslims are always killing one of them in southern Thailand. Maybe you can find some Christians from Nigeria who can tell you about the millions of them who were murdered by Muslims in the 1970's. I don't think that any intelligent person feels that it is the the fault of the U.S. that 2 million plus Christians were murdered in the Sudan.

If you can't care about innocent people being persecuted in many places of the world, perhaps then you should just stick to subjects that basically are about what is happening here in America. I am sure you can find plenty to talk about.

When the Zionists stop picking our pockets for billions a year and stop interferring in our politics, THEN I'll stop caring about them...

The Zionists are not picking our pockets.

 

[JoeB131]

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Joe, Joe, perhaps you should talk to some Middle Eastern Christians or Christians or Hindus from Southeast Asia living here in the U.S. and ask them if the Muslims have been living so peacefully with them all along. Perhaps you could also ask some Buddhists why the Muslims are always killing one of them in southern Thailand. Maybe you can find some Christians from Nigeria who can tell you about the millions of them who were murdered by Muslims in the 1970's. I don't think that any intelligent person feels that it is the the fault of the U.S. that 2 million plus Christians were murdered in the Sudan.

If you can't care about innocent people being persecuted in many places of the world, perhaps then you should just stick to subjects that basically are about what is happening here in America. I am sure you can find plenty to talk about.

When the Zionists stop picking our pockets for billions a year and stop interferring in our politics, THEN I'll stop caring about them...

The Zionists are not picking our pockets.

You're right. I'd call it more of a "smash and grab".

 

[Phoenall]

When the Zionists stop picking our pockets for billions a year and stop interferring in our politics, THEN I'll stop caring about them...

The Zionists are not picking our pockets.

You're right. I'd call it more of a "smash and grab".

Of course you would, while claiming that the trillions stolen by islam is a tithe so they don't attack the USA

 

[toastman]

Actually, it's the U.S who decides to give Israel grants, Joe.

Typical Israel haters blaming Israel for receiving the grants

 

[aris2chat]

It is unfortunate but Israel has created a situation with Pollard that even though he is in poor health to release him would be seen as a reward to Israel. I knew he has refused his parole hearing as he does not want his release to be tied to the release of terrorists in Israel.
I doubt he will be released. If Israel had not tried so hard or so publicly, he would have been out by now.
If Israel had not sold the information for the migration of jews from Russia it might have been different. Israel did what at the time it though it had to for the jews, but politically it make Pollard's release problematic. If he was released for health reasons, I doubt he would be allowed to go to Israel.

 

[MikeK]

Actually, it's the U.S who decides to give Israel grants, Joe.

Yes. The U.S. Congress "decides" to give Israel money after being bribed and pressured by AIPAC and JINSA. Don't you think it a bit peculiar that a foreign government is allowed to lobby the U.S. Congress?

Typical Israel haters blaming Israel for receiving the grants

According to some of you Jews, most of whom are more loyal to Israel than to the homeland that makes you safe, anyone who doesn't love Israel is a "hater," and anyone who doesn't worship Jews is an anti-Semite.