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[toastman]

Rocco was talking about June 67, so was my answer...His answer of a Defensive pre-emptive strike is bullshit...

Actually, if you take the time to read his post above, you will understand that it WAS a pre emptive strike. It wasn't about stealing land.
If it were, why did Israel make repeated offers to return it???

The only time Israel was sincere about peace was Rabin's offer, and your right wing ZioNuts shot him in the back!

Barak? Olmert??

 

[pbel]

Actually, if you take the time to read his post above, you will understand that it WAS a pre emptive strike. It wasn't about stealing land.
If it were, why did Israel make repeated offers to return it???

The only time Israel was sincere about peace was Rabin's offer, and your right wing ZioNuts shot him in the back!

Barak? Olmert??

they could not deliver, they did not have Rabin's stature.

 

[toastman]

pbel, et al,

Two points I would like to make.

Et Tu, Rocco? Tell us what a Pre-Emptive strike is in that History Book?

(COMMENT)

In connection with the outbreak between Israel and Jordan, it commenced with Jordanian artillery fire; not Israeli offensive action.



At the time of the opening of hostilities, Egyptian Sinai Front Command had prepositioned over 100,000 troops in the Sinai Peninsula, over 900 tanks, a like number of artillery guns. and an additional couple hundred howitzer (mixed towed and mounted motor vehicle) or armored chassis.

Secondly, the initiation of a preemptive strike is defensive if it is obvious war is eminent.

Outside of the Arab world, claims of American and British military intervention were not taken seriously. Britain, the U.S. and Israel denied these allegations. On June 8, Egyptian credibility was further damaged when Israel released an audio recording to the press, which they said was a radio-telephone conversation intercepted two days earlier between Nasser and King Hussein of Jordan.

Nasser: ...Shall we include also the United States? Do you know of this, shall we announce that the U.S. is cooperating with Israel?
Hussein: Hello. I do not hear, the connection is the worst - the line between you and the palace of the King from which the King is speaking is bad.
Nasser: Hello, will we say the U.S. and England or just the U.S.?
Hussein: The U.S. and England.
Nasser: Does Britain have aircraft carriers?
Hussein: (Answer unintelligible).
Nasser: Good. King Hussein will make an announcement and I will make an announcement. Thank you... Will his Majesty make an announcement on the participation of Americans and the British?
Hussein: (Answer unintelligible).
Nasser: By God, I say that I will make an announcement and you will make an announcement and we will see to it that the Syrians will make an announcement that American and British airplanes are taking part against us from aircraft carriers. We will issue an announcement, we will stress the matter and we will drive the point home.​

SOURCE: Six-Day War Wiktionnaire

Most Respectfully,
R

According to your Logic, Japan was right to sneak attack Pearl Harbor without a declaration of war...Defensive pre-emptive war Rocco, you just created a new oxymoron.

What is it with you & Billo and your terrible comparisons?

 

[toastman]

The only time Israel was sincere about peace was Rabin's offer, and your right wing ZioNuts shot him in the back!

Barak? Olmert??

they could not deliver, they did not have Rabin's stature.

The Barak offer was at the 2000 Camp David Summit, and most of the world blamed Arafart for rejecting the offer.

Just imagine Pbel, had he accepted the offer, the Palestinians would have their state in Gaza and the West Bank, and hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians would have ceased!
Kinda brings shivers down my spine when I think about that.

 

[pbel]

Barak? Olmert??

they could not deliver, they did not have Rabin's stature.

The Barak offer was at the 2000 Camp David Summit, and most of the world blamed Arafart for rejecting the offer.
Just imagine Pbel, had he accepted the offer, the Palestinians would have their state in Gaza and the West Bank, and hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians would have ceased!
Kinda brings shivers down my spine when I think about that.

Barak could not deliver the goods and was promptly kicked out of office, Arafat knew this...HE was no fool, that's why Israel poisoned him with polonium.

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

Two points I would like to make.


(COMMENT)

In connection with the outbreak between Israel and Jordan, it commenced with Jordanian artillery fire; not Israeli offensive action.



At the time of the opening of hostilities, Egyptian Sinai Front Command had prepositioned over 100,000 troops in the Sinai Peninsula, over 900 tanks, a like number of artillery guns. and an additional couple hundred howitzer (mixed towed and mounted motor vehicle) or armored chassis.

Secondly, the initiation of a preemptive strike is defensive if it is obvious war is eminent.



Most Respectfully,
R

According to your Logic, Japan was right to sneak attack Pearl Harbor without a declaration of war...Defensive pre-emptive war Rocco, you just created a new oxymoron.

What is it with you & Billo and your terrible comparisons?

They're only terrible to a Meat Head. At least elaborate on why the analogy is not analogous.

 

[toastman]

According to your Logic, Japan was right to sneak attack Pearl Harbor without a declaration of war...Defensive pre-emptive war Rocco, you just created a new oxymoron.

What is it with you & Billo and your terrible comparisons?

They're only terrible to a Meat Head. At least elaborate on why the analogy is not analogous.

No, they're terrible to anyone who knows what they're talking about .
Just because there is a small similarity between them, there are still many factors for both in incidents that differ quite a lot.

 

[toastman]

they could not deliver, they did not have Rabin's stature.

The Barak offer was at the 2000 Camp David Summit, and most of the world blamed Arafart for rejecting the offer.
Just imagine Pbel, had he accepted the offer, the Palestinians would have their state in Gaza and the West Bank, and hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians would have ceased!
Kinda brings shivers down my spine when I think about that.

Barak could not deliver the goods and was promptly kicked out of office, Arafat knew this...HE was no fool, that's why Israel poisoned him with polonium.

Barak could not deliver the goods? LOL !
You're speaking as if the Palestinians were/ are in a position to be calling the shots!

And what was the final finding from Arafarts autopsy?
Oh ya, he wasn't poisoned.
But if he was, would you have been able to provide us with evidence that Israel did it? No you don't.
You just like to jump on the blame Israel/the Joos bandwagon ....

 

[pbel]

The Barak offer was at the 2000 Camp David Summit, and most of the world blamed Arafart for rejecting the offer.
Just imagine Pbel, had he accepted the offer, the Palestinians would have their state in Gaza and the West Bank, and hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians would have ceased!
Kinda brings shivers down my spine when I think about that.

Barak could not deliver the goods and was promptly kicked out of office, Arafat knew this...HE was no fool, that's why Israel poisoned him with polonium.

Barak could not deliver the goods? LOL !
You're speaking as if the Palestinians were/ are in a position to be calling the shots!

And what was the final finding from Arafarts autopsy?
Oh ya, he wasn't poisoned.
But if he was, would you have been able to provide us with evidence that Israel did it? No you don't.
You just like to jump on the blame Israel/the Joos bandwagon ....

There you go...Nothing to counterpoint, use the joo card...There have been countless articles written joo hate does not negate truth if it exists.

 

[toastman]

Barak could not deliver the goods and was promptly kicked out of office, Arafat knew this...HE was no fool, that's why Israel poisoned him with polonium.

Barak could not deliver the goods? LOL !
You're speaking as if the Palestinians were/ are in a position to be calling the shots!

And what was the final finding from Arafarts autopsy?
Oh ya, he wasn't poisoned.
But if he was, would you have been able to provide us with evidence that Israel did it? No you don't.
You just like to jump on the blame Israel/the Joos bandwagon ....

There you go...Nothing to counterpoint, use the joo card...There have been countless articles written joo hate does not negate truth if it exists.

Nothing to counterpoint?? You made no points for me to counter!

Why don't you look at the preceding events in both incidents as well as the other determining factors that started those attacks.
You will likely find that they're not so similar....

 

[JoeB131]

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Russia gave Egypt top of the line brand new weapons, not second hand. If Egypt went to war with soldiers less than ready, that in nothing to do with Israel. Jordan and Syria I know had the best of training.
If they were not ready, they should not have begun a war with Israel. Arabs thought they could trample Israel in the dust, oops, they were wrong.

Actually, russia gave Egypt T-55 tanks that were designed during WWII, and were vastly inferior to the Patton tanks the Zionists were using.

Not to worry, the Zionists will be driven into the sea someday, and the world will rejoice.

When you and your ilk are driven to the sea, that's when the world will be a better place.

BTW, we've been hearing that threat for over 66 hears, Nazi Shill. Kinda gets old after a while, ya know, guy??

naw, just makes it sweeter when it finally happens.

Demagraphics are not the Zionists friend. Zionist chicks are using birth control, Arabs are having babies...

most of the world has a negative view of the Zionist entity, and for a good reason.

 

[JoeB131]

Barak? Olmert??

they could not deliver, they did not have Rabin's stature.

The Barak offer was at the 2000 Camp David Summit, and most of the world blamed Arafart for rejecting the offer.

Just imagine Pbel, had he accepted the offer, the Palestinians would have their state in Gaza and the West Bank, and hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians would have ceased!
Kinda brings shivers down my spine when I think about that.

Mostly, because he knew his own people wouldn't reject it.

It's like if I drive you out of your house at gunpoint, and then think I'm being "kind" if I let you live in the garage.

Look, neither side is intereted in "Peace". The Zionists shot Rabin, the Jihadists shot Sadat.

The $64 question is - Why do we (the US) let ourselves get caught in the middle of this argument over who a Magic Sky Pixie promised a strip of desert to?

Because Israel is a "Democracy"? Of course not. Democracies don't practice Apartheid.

Because Israel is a valued ally? Bullshit. The reason most of the Islamic world hates our guts is because we prop up Zionisim.

Because we need Israel to be there so Jesus can come back? Jesus never existed. Get over it, Funditards!

Because AIPAC has our politicians testicles in a lock-box? Ahhhh, now we are getting to the truth.

 

[JoeB131]

Nazis like Pbel and Joe know this already, Rocco.
But their extreme hate for Israel obscures facts like these that counter their agenda.
Of course Israel only attacked because war was imminent. Of course Israel attacked first because Egypt was planning to attack them.

Am I surprised by people like Joe and Pbel ignoring these facts? No, distorting history is part of the anti Zionist , pro Palestinian agenda..

The Zionists being on Arab land is the attack. Everything else is feint or a manuever.

Again, you are kind of rationalizing Pearl Harbor and 9/11 with this kind of argument.

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because they knew war was imminent. so that kind of makes it okay, right.

AL Qaeda attacked the WTC because war was already ongoing. Come on, we had been attacking Al Qaeda and other targets in the Arab world for a decade.

 

[RoccoR]

JoeB131, et al,

Well, "JoeB131" --- you don't have it quite right.

Nazis like Pbel and Joe know this already, Rocco.
But their extreme hate for Israel obscures facts like these that counter their agenda.
Of course Israel only attacked because war was imminent. Of course Israel attacked first because Egypt was planning to attack them.

Am I surprised by people like Joe and Pbel ignoring these facts? No, distorting history is part of the anti Zionist , pro Palestinian agenda..

The Zionists being on Arab land is the attack. Everything else is feint or a manuever.

Again, you are kind of rationalizing Pearl Harbor and 9/11 with this kind of argument.

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because they knew war was imminent. so that kind of makes it okay, right.

AL Qaeda attacked the WTC because war was already ongoing. Come on, we had been attacking Al Qaeda and other targets in the Arab world for a decade.

(COMMENT)

"IF" the US had detected the Japanese Combined Fleet of Marshal Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto assembling in the North Pacific, and forming up, and was aware of the intercept traffic that pointed to war, Admiral Kimmel, CinC of the Pacific Fleet would have made a "Preemptive Strike." War was imminent because it was planned by Japan as a means to establish its dominance along the Pacific Rim.

The example of al-Qaeda, doesn't actually apply; as it was a non-State actor engaged in asymmetric activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB131, et al,

Well, "JoeB131" --- you don't have it quite right.

Nazis like Pbel and Joe know this already, Rocco.
But their extreme hate for Israel obscures facts like these that counter their agenda.
Of course Israel only attacked because war was imminent. Of course Israel attacked first because Egypt was planning to attack them.

Am I surprised by people like Joe and Pbel ignoring these facts? No, distorting history is part of the anti Zionist , pro Palestinian agenda..

The Zionists being on Arab land is the attack. Everything else is feint or a manuever.

Again, you are kind of rationalizing Pearl Harbor and 9/11 with this kind of argument.

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because they knew war was imminent. so that kind of makes it okay, right.

AL Qaeda attacked the WTC because war was already ongoing. Come on, we had been attacking Al Qaeda and other targets in the Arab world for a decade.

(COMMENT)

"IF" the US had detected the Japanese Combined Fleet of Marshal Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto assembling in the North Pacific, and forming up, and was aware of the intercept traffic that pointed to war, Admiral Kimmel, CinC of the Pacific Fleet would have made a "Preemptive Strike." War was imminent because it was planned by Japan as a means to establish its dominance along the Pacific Rim.

The example of al-Qaeda, doesn't actually apply; as it was a non-State actor engaged in asymmetric activity.

Most Respectfully,
R

Here's the thing. We knew the Japanese were probably going to declare war on us. Therefore, having the fleet at anchor was probably a dumb idea.

And Al Qaeda had been making terrorist attacks on us for a decade and had pretty openly declared war on us.

My problem is not with the Zionist Entity launching an attack on her neighbors.

My problem is that the Zionist Entity exists to start with.

 

[pbel]

they could not deliver, they did not have Rabin's stature.

The Barak offer was at the 2000 Camp David Summit, and most of the world blamed Arafart for rejecting the offer.

Just imagine Pbel, had he accepted the offer, the Palestinians would have their state in Gaza and the West Bank, and hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians would have ceased!
Kinda brings shivers down my spine when I think about that.

Mostly, because he knew his own people wouldn't reject it.

It's like if I drive you out of your house at gunpoint, and then think I'm being "kind" if I let you live in the garage.

Look, neither side is intereted in "Peace". The Zionists shot Rabin, the Jihadists shot Sadat.

The $64 question is - Why do we (the US) let ourselves get caught in the middle of this argument over who a Magic Sky Pixie promised a strip of desert to?

Because Israel is a "Democracy"? Of course not. Democracies don't practice Apartheid.

Because Israel is a valued ally? Bullshit. The reason most of the Islamic world hates our guts is because we prop up Zionisim.

Because we need Israel to be there so Jesus can come back? Jesus never existed. Get over it, Funditards!

Because AIPAC has our politicians testicles in a lock-box? Ahhhh, now we are getting to the truth.

Tx. Joe, the truth be told.

 

[toastman]

Actually, russia gave Egypt T-55 tanks that were designed during WWII, and were vastly inferior to the Patton tanks the Zionists were using.

Not to worry, the Zionists will be driven into the sea someday, and the world will rejoice.

When you and your ilk are driven to the sea, that's when the world will be a better place.

BTW, we've been hearing that threat for over 66 hears, Nazi Shill. Kinda gets old after a while, ya know, guy??

naw, just makes it sweeter when it finally happens.

Demagraphics are not the Zionists friend. Zionist chicks are using birth control, Arabs are having babies...

most of the world has a negative view of the Zionist entity, and for a good reason.

Genocide is sweet?
Interesting view Joe!
Like I said, Israel is going nowhere. Israel was supposed to be destroyed ten times over. But Israel is still here, stronger than ever, even if you deny it all day long.
I must say, it doss make me warm inside knowing that Israels existence pisses you off. I'm sure it's harder for you knowing deep inside that Israel is going nowhere, even if you say otherwise on a message board.
Israel is not Arab land BTW. You have zero knowledge in Israels declaration of independence.
Finally, weather you like it or not, America supports Israel as do most Americans.
Like history has shown us Joe, Israels enemies, like you and you Nazi ilk, will perish long before anything happens to Israel....

 

[toastman]

Hey Joe, Israels birthday is coming up on May 5th!
Make sure you cone celebrate with us in the Happy Birthday Israel thread, k?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Hey Joe, Israels birthday is coming up on May 5th!
Make sure you cone celebrate with us in the Happy Birthday Israel thread, k?

Yeah, Joe, watch last year's celebrations. If you are very good I will post this year's in a few weeks.

 

[pbel]

When you and your ilk are driven to the sea, that's when the world will be a better place.

BTW, we've been hearing that threat for over 66 hears, Nazi Shill. Kinda gets old after a while, ya know, guy??

naw, just makes it sweeter when it finally happens.

Demagraphics are not the Zionists friend. Zionist chicks are using birth control, Arabs are having babies...

most of the world has a negative view of the Zionist entity, and for a good reason.

Genocide is sweet?
Interesting view Joe!
Like I said, Israel is going nowhere. Israel was supposed to be destroyed ten times over. But Israel is still here, stronger than ever, even if you deny it all day long.
I must say, it doss make me warm inside knowing that Israels existence pisses you off. I'm sure it's harder for you knowing deep inside that Israel is going nowhere, even if you say otherwise on a message board.
Israel is not Arab land BTW. You have zero knowledge in Israels declaration of independence. Finally, weather you like it or not, America supports Israel as do most Americans.
Like history has shown us Joe, Israels enemies, like you and you Nazi ilk, will perish long before anything happens to Israel....

Are you a Comic in real life Toast? The World is spinning and evolving The War of Attrition will go on, and as soon as the oil is depleted in the ME and Solar takes off, Western Nations will abandon the Jewish State that has refused all UN suggestions of peace to the 67 armistice lines.


Enjoy, enjoy, while it lasts.