US Might free Jonathan Pollard

[Sally]

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Joe, Joe, perhaps you should talk to some Middle Eastern Christians or Christians or Hindus from Southeast Asia living here in the U.S. and ask them if the Muslims have been living so peacefully with them all along. Perhaps you could also ask some Buddhists why the Muslims are always killing one of them in southern Thailand. Maybe you can find some Christians from Nigeria who can tell you about the millions of them who were murdered by Muslims in the 1970's. I don't think that any intelligent person feels that it is the the fault of the U.S. that 2 million plus Christians were murdered in the Sudan.

If you can't care about innocent people being persecuted in many places of the world, perhaps then you should just stick to subjects that basically are about what is happening here in America. I am sure you can find plenty to talk about.

When the Zionists stop picking our pockets for billions a year and stop interferring in our politics, THEN I'll stop caring about them.

But your long screed about how "muslims are meanies" is getting a bit tired. Somehow, I don't think you rushed out on 9/11 to sign up for the armed forces.

The Nigerian Civil War had to do with secession, not religion. So kind of a fail there. Incidently, the US DID attempt to prop up the Biafran government, throwing in with SOuth Africa and Rhodesia, while our good buds the British threw in with the Nigerian government.

But, no, it was totally about Religion. Somehow.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get an e-mail from a Nigerian Prince who will tell you about a bunch of money he is trying to get out of the country.

Funny how these anti-Israel guys have such an obsession with money with regard to Israel, but they never mention all the money given to other countries. I wish they could go to the different plants in the U.S. where the money allocated to Israel is being used. How about Grants Pass, Oregon? They can ask the workers if they enjoy receiving a paycheck for the equipment which is sent to Israel, like guidance and control systems. Does all the other money we give out in foreign aid provide jobs for American workers or does it land up in the pockets of the head guys?

Meanwhile, the Nigerian Muslims seemed to have it in for the Christian Nigerians, and they would call them the Jews of Nigeria because the Christians did better financially than they did. And now we have the extremists Muslims in Nigeria, the Boko Haram, busy slitting the throats of Christians and blowing up churches.

By the way, Joe, everyone probably has received many E-mails from Nigerians saying they have money put aside for us. Speaking of Nigerians, one was picked up in my part of the country recently for "sham marriages" so that illegal Nigerians could stay in this country. I imagine this goes on with many of the immigrant groups. Everyone wants to stay in America, and I don't blame them.

And, Joe, as far as signing up for armed forces after 9/11, I did not. However, my husband has over 20 years in the military. Will that do for you? Maybe I'll think of Joe when my husband and I go shopping at the Post Exchange plus the Commissary which are two of the perks for retired military.

 

[MikeK]

Robert Kim, an American Citizen who spied for South Korea, was only given 9 years and was released after 7.

Incidently, the South Korean government didn't rally for Kim the way that Israel has rallied for Pollard. They pretty much threw him to the wolves.

In many other categories of criminal offense the severity of punishment is based on seriousness of the crime. My understanding of the Pollard case is his espionage activities inflicted more damage on the security of U.S. intelligence than any other example of spying in our history. Jonathan Pollard Release Would Be 'Insane' - Business Insider

If Obama decides to release Pollard he also should pardon Edward Snowden for his whistleblowing activities the ultimate effect of which has provided the American People with information about their government's activities which they have a right to. Whereas Pollard's spying caused monumental damage to this Nation's defensive security apparatus, Snowden's revelations have done nothing more damaging than to expose wrongful official conduct which the American People have a right to know about.

I'd have no problem pardoning Snowden and Bradley/Chelsea Manning while he is at it. These guys didn't release stuff the governmetn doesn't want our enemies to know about,they released stuff our government doesn't want US to know about.

Frankly, I'm not really buying the whole "Pollard did damage to the US" argument.

He gave intelligence about Arab states- particularly Iraq - to the Israelis, who are an "ally". (True, with friends like the Zionists, we could do without enemies!) Intelligence we had promised to share. But because the Reagan Adminstration thought Saddam was a guy we could work with, they didn't hand over that info as promised.

The main problem with our MIddle East policy is that we are caught between our insatiable need for oil, and the vice-grip Zionist groups like AIPAC have on our politicians. So it's kind of understandable that our policies get confused.

Just not seeing what Pollard did as all that bad, given how messed up our policies over there are to start with.

Joe,

First I'd like to clarify that Israel is not a U.S. ally in the accepted sense of the word. Israel is a U.S. protectorate. As such it's conduct toward the U.S. has been nothing short of reprehensible.

As for the effect of Pollard's betrayal, here is what Caspar Weinberger had to say about that:

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At the time, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger called on the court to give Pollard the harshest punishment possible.

"It is difficult for me, even in the so-called "year of the spy," to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant in view of the breadth, the critical importance to the U.S., and the high sensitivity of the information he sold to Israel," Weinberger wrote in a statement for the court. "That information was intentionally reserved by the United States for its own use, because to disclose it, to anyone or any nation, would cause the greatest harm to our national security."


Jonathan Pollard: Israel's prolific American spy

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The simple reality of this situation is Israel conducted a sophisticated espionage against the U.S., its only friend in the world. They got caught and now they are asking us to pardon the thief they sent to rob us. And let us not forget that Pollard was handsomely paid for his treachery!

My question is when will America open its eyes where Israel is concerned?

 

[Sally]

In many other categories of criminal offense the severity of punishment is based on seriousness of the crime. My understanding of the Pollard case is his espionage activities inflicted more damage on the security of U.S. intelligence than any other example of spying in our history. Jonathan Pollard Release Would Be 'Insane' - Business Insider

If Obama decides to release Pollard he also should pardon Edward Snowden for his whistleblowing activities the ultimate effect of which has provided the American People with information about their government's activities which they have a right to. Whereas Pollard's spying caused monumental damage to this Nation's defensive security apparatus, Snowden's revelations have done nothing more damaging than to expose wrongful official conduct which the American People have a right to know about.

I'd have no problem pardoning Snowden and Bradley/Chelsea Manning while he is at it. These guys didn't release stuff the governmetn doesn't want our enemies to know about,they released stuff our government doesn't want US to know about.

Frankly, I'm not really buying the whole "Pollard did damage to the US" argument.

He gave intelligence about Arab states- particularly Iraq - to the Israelis, who are an "ally". (True, with friends like the Zionists, we could do without enemies!) Intelligence we had promised to share. But because the Reagan Adminstration thought Saddam was a guy we could work with, they didn't hand over that info as promised.

The main problem with our MIddle East policy is that we are caught between our insatiable need for oil, and the vice-grip Zionist groups like AIPAC have on our politicians. So it's kind of understandable that our policies get confused.

Just not seeing what Pollard did as all that bad, given how messed up our policies over there are to start with.

Joe,

First I'd like to clarify that that Israel is not a U.S. ally in the accepted sense of the word. Israel is a U.S. protectorate. As such it's conduct toward the U.S. has been nothing short of reprehensible.

As for the effect of Pollard's betrayal, here is what Caspar Weinberger had to say about that:

(Excerpt)

At the time, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger called on the court to give Pollard the harshest punishment possible.

"It is difficult for me, even in the so-called "year of the spy," to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant in view of the breadth, the critical importance to the U.S., and the high sensitivity of the information he sold to Israel," Weinberger wrote in a statement for the court. "That information was intentionally reserved by the United States for its own use, because to disclose it, to anyone or any nation, would cause the greatest harm to our national security."


Jonathan Pollard: Israel's prolific American spy

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The simple reality of this situation is Israel conducted a sophisticated espionage against the U.S., its only friend in the world. They got caught and now they are asking us to pardon the thief they sent to rob us. And let us not forget that Pollard was handsomely paid for his treachery!

My question is when will America open its eyes where Israel is concerned?

I am not saying that Pollard should be released, nor am I pulling up sites which claim that Weinberger wanted to make an example of Pollard. However, I am not sure why when Pollard is brought up, that the one who did worse, Addison Ames, is not also mentioned. After all, at first Pollard was first blamed for what Ames did.

 

[JoeB131]

The Zionists are not picking our pockets.

You're right. I'd call it more of a "smash and grab".

Of course you would, while claiming that the trillions stolen by islam is a tithe so they don't attack the USA

TRillions? Not so good at the math, are you?

 

[JoeB131]

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Joe,

First I'd like to clarify that Israel is not a U.S. ally in the accepted sense of the word. Israel is a U.S. protectorate. As such it's conduct toward the U.S. has been nothing short of reprehensible.

As for the effect of Pollard's betrayal, here is what Caspar Weinberger had to say about that:

(Excerpt)

At the time, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger called on the court to give Pollard the harshest punishment possible.

"It is difficult for me, even in the so-called "year of the spy," to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant in view of the breadth, the critical importance to the U.S., and the high sensitivity of the information he sold to Israel," Weinberger wrote in a statement for the court. "That information was intentionally reserved by the United States for its own use, because to disclose it, to anyone or any nation, would cause the greatest harm to our national security."


Jonathan Pollard: Israel's prolific American spy

(Close)

The simple reality of this situation is Israel conducted a sophisticated espionage against the U.S., its only friend in the world. They got caught and now they are asking us to pardon the thief they sent to rob us. And let us not forget that Pollard was handsomely paid for his treachery!

My question is when will America open its eyes where Israel is concerned?

A couple of points.

1) agree with you completely, the Israelis have been playing us for chumps for years.

2) That said, Robert Kim only got 7 years for doing the exact same thing Pollard did. - spying for an ally that is highly dependent on us.

3) A lot I respect about Cap Weinberger, including he had the good sense to realize selling missiles to Iran was a horrible idea, but most of his attitude is butthurt that Pollard happened on his watch at the same time the Walker Spy family got caught.

4) If we are going to ask the Zionists to make concessions in the name of peace, we should be willing to make a few of our own.

 

[toastman]

In many other categories of criminal offense the severity of punishment is based on seriousness of the crime. My understanding of the Pollard case is his espionage activities inflicted more damage on the security of U.S. intelligence than any other example of spying in our history. Jonathan Pollard Release Would Be 'Insane' - Business Insider

If Obama decides to release Pollard he also should pardon Edward Snowden for his whistleblowing activities the ultimate effect of which has provided the American People with information about their government's activities which they have a right to. Whereas Pollard's spying caused monumental damage to this Nation's defensive security apparatus, Snowden's revelations have done nothing more damaging than to expose wrongful official conduct which the American People have a right to know about.

I'd have no problem pardoning Snowden and Bradley/Chelsea Manning while he is at it. These guys didn't release stuff the governmetn doesn't want our enemies to know about,they released stuff our government doesn't want US to know about.

Frankly, I'm not really buying the whole "Pollard did damage to the US" argument.

He gave intelligence about Arab states- particularly Iraq - to the Israelis, who are an "ally". (True, with friends like the Zionists, we could do without enemies!) Intelligence we had promised to share. But because the Reagan Adminstration thought Saddam was a guy we could work with, they didn't hand over that info as promised.

The main problem with our MIddle East policy is that we are caught between our insatiable need for oil, and the vice-grip Zionist groups like AIPAC have on our politicians. So it's kind of understandable that our policies get confused.

Just not seeing what Pollard did as all that bad, given how messed up our policies over there are to start with.

Joe,

First I'd like to clarify that Israel is not a U.S. ally in the accepted sense of the word. Israel is a U.S. protectorate. As such it's conduct toward the U.S. has been nothing short of reprehensible.

As for the effect of Pollard's betrayal, here is what Caspar Weinberger had to say about that:

(Excerpt)

At the time, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger called on the court to give Pollard the harshest punishment possible.

"It is difficult for me, even in the so-called "year of the spy," to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant in view of the breadth, the critical importance to the U.S., and the high sensitivity of the information he sold to Israel," Weinberger wrote in a statement for the court. "That information was intentionally reserved by the United States for its own use, because to disclose it, to anyone or any nation, would cause the greatest harm to our national security."


Jonathan Pollard: Israel's prolific American spy

(Close)

The simple reality of this situation is Israel conducted a sophisticated espionage against the U.S., its only friend in the world. They got caught and now they are asking us to pardon the thief they sent to rob us. And let us not forget that Pollard was handsomely paid for his treachery!

My question is when will America open its eyes where Israel is concerned?

Sorry Mike, but you don't decide weather Israel is Americas Ally or not, no matter how much you hate Israel.

 

[JoeB131]

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Funny how these anti-Israel guys have such an obsession with money with regard to Israel, but they never mention all the money given to other countries. I wish they could go to the different plants in the U.S. where the money allocated to Israel is being used. How about Grants Pass, Oregon? They can ask the workers if they enjoy receiving a paycheck for the equipment which is sent to Israel, like guidance and control systems. Does all the other money we give out in foreign aid provide jobs for American workers or does it land up in the pockets of the head guys?

Given 90% of our problems in the Middle East are because of Israel, and we are bankrupting ourselves in wars over there, I don't think a few jobs paying for weapons they ought to be paying for themselves really balances the scales. We could spend the money we waste on the military on schools, roads and infrastructure and be in a much better position.

And, Joe, as far as signing up for armed forces after 9/11, I did not. However, my husband has over 20 years in the military. Will that do for you? Maybe I'll think of Joe when my husband and I go shopping at the Post Exchange plus the Commissary which are two of the perks for retired military.

I was in for 11 years, but couldn't get out fast enough after the Gulf War, because I saw how the Oil Companies and Zionists manipulated our policy.

 

[Sally]

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Funny how these anti-Israel guys have such an obsession with money with regard to Israel, but they never mention all the money given to other countries. I wish they could go to the different plants in the U.S. where the money allocated to Israel is being used. How about Grants Pass, Oregon? They can ask the workers if they enjoy receiving a paycheck for the equipment which is sent to Israel, like guidance and control systems. Does all the other money we give out in foreign aid provide jobs for American workers or does it land up in the pockets of the head guys?

Given 90% of our problems in the Middle East are because of Israel, and we are bankrupting ourselves in wars over there, I don't think a few jobs paying for weapons they ought to be paying for themselves really balances the scales. We could spend the money we waste on the military on schools, roads and infrastructure and be in a much better position.

And, Joe, as far as signing up for armed forces after 9/11, I did not. However, my husband has over 20 years in the military. Will that do for you? Maybe I'll think of Joe when my husband and I go shopping at the Post Exchange plus the Commissary which are two of the perks for retired military.

I was in for 11 years, but couldn't get out fast enough after the Gulf War, because I saw how the Oil Companies and Zionists manipulated our policy.

Oh, Joe, more money is spent on other things right here in the U.S. that many citizens think are useless. Just by you anti-Semites constantly bringing up Israel and the help it gets from the U.S. tells the readers all they want to know. For years, people like you have been bringing this up. No doubt it is a one of the favorite subjects on the NeoNazi/Islamfascist hate sites. Meanwhile, you remind me of the Army group that was found up in Ft. Lewis Washington. They didn't like the Jews either. Don't the readers just love the way how peoiple like Joe bring up that Israel is bankrupting the U.S. and they are the problem for all that is going on in the Middle East. How many times have the readers heard the same song and dance.

 

[JoeB131]

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Oh, Joe, more money is spent on other things right here in the U.S. that many citizens think are useless. Just by you anti-Semites constantly bringing up Israel and the help it gets from the U.S. tells the readers all they want to know. For years, people like you have been bringing this up. No doubt it is a one of the favorite subjects on the NeoNazi/Islamfascist hate sites. Meanwhile, you remind me of the Army group that was found up in Ft. Lewis Washington. They didn't like the Jews either. Don't the readers just love the way how peoiple like Joe bring up that Israel is bankrupting the U.S. and they are the problem for all that is going on in the Middle East. How many times have the readers heard the same song and dance.

Yawn, i really love the use of the word "anti-Semite".

Ummm. The Arabs are also a Semitic people.

I just questions why we need to be involved in the middle of their fights or paying for them to play, "My Magic Sky Man Loves me the Very Best".

THe Muslim world hates Israel for pretty good reasons. They stole their land and killed their people.

And we've made ourselves accessories to their crimes.

 

[toastman]

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Oh, Joe, more money is spent on other things right here in the U.S. that many citizens think are useless. Just by you anti-Semites constantly bringing up Israel and the help it gets from the U.S. tells the readers all they want to know. For years, people like you have been bringing this up. No doubt it is a one of the favorite subjects on the NeoNazi/Islamfascist hate sites. Meanwhile, you remind me of the Army group that was found up in Ft. Lewis Washington. They didn't like the Jews either. Don't the readers just love the way how peoiple like Joe bring up that Israel is bankrupting the U.S. and they are the problem for all that is going on in the Middle East. How many times have the readers heard the same song and dance.

Yawn, i really love the use of the word "anti-Semite".

Ummm. The Arabs are also a Semitic people.

I just questions why we need to be involved in the middle of their fights or paying for them to play, "My Magic Sky Man Loves me the Very Best".

THe Muslim world hates Israel for pretty good reasons. They stole their land and killed their people.

And we've made ourselves accessories to their crimes.

Actually, Israel is not stolen land. If you knew anything about Israels declaration of independence, you wouldn't be spewing the same crap over and over.

Muslims mostly hate Israel because Israel is not a Muslim Arab state.
Imagine the entire Israel - Palestinian scenario from 1948 was the same, but instead of Israel being a Jewish country, it was another Muslim Arab country: do you think the Muslims would hate Israel the Muslim state?? No.

And what do any of your last like 50 posts have to do with Jonathan Pollard??
Just as I said a few days ago, you just started this thread to trash Israel, like you've do e so many times. Like the time you said that you hope Israel vanishes from the history books.
Stop spewing your propaganda you brainwashed Terrorist shill

 

[JoeB131]

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Actually, Israel is not stolen land. If you knew anything about Israels declaration of independence, you wouldn't be spewing the same crap over and over.

Legal mechanisms by great powers is does not negate the fact

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Muslims mostly hate Israel because Israel is not a Muslim Arab state.
Imagine the entire Israel - Palestinian scenario from 1948 was the same, but instead of Israel being a Jewish country, it was another Muslim Arab country: do you think the Muslims would hate Israel the Muslim state?? No.

Well, no, because it would be owned by the people native to the land, and not some interlopers from Europe. Here was the problem. The Arabs revolted against the Turks because the British promised them independence. And then they turned around and tried to colonize the place.

my point is, you can't scream "anti-Semitism" when everyone involved is a Semite.

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And what do any of your last like 50 posts have to do with Jonathan Pollard??
Just as I said a few days ago, you just started this thread to trash Israel, like you've do e so many times. Like the time you said that you hope Israel vanishes from the history books.
Stop spewing your propaganda you brainwashed Terrorist shill

Actually, I'm talking about Israel beause the usual suspects are showing up with their "Israel Good, Muslims bad" horseshyte.

 

[Hossfly]

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Oh, Joe, more money is spent on other things right here in the U.S. that many citizens think are useless. Just by you anti-Semites constantly bringing up Israel and the help it gets from the U.S. tells the readers all they want to know. For years, people like you have been bringing this up. No doubt it is a one of the favorite subjects on the NeoNazi/Islamfascist hate sites. Meanwhile, you remind me of the Army group that was found up in Ft. Lewis Washington. They didn't like the Jews either. Don't the readers just love the way how peoiple like Joe bring up that Israel is bankrupting the U.S. and they are the problem for all that is going on in the Middle East. How many times have the readers heard the same song and dance.

Yawn, i really love the use of the word "anti-Semite".

Ummm. The Arabs are also a Semitic people.

I just questions why we need to be involved in the middle of their fights or paying for them to play, "My Magic Sky Man Loves me the Very Best".

THe Muslim world hates Israel for pretty good reasons. They stole their land and killed their people.

And we've made ourselves accessories to their crimes.

I agree with Joe about the use of the word "anti-Semite". I prefer "Jew-hating sonofabitch". Rolls off the tongue more easily.

 

[toastman]

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Actually, Israel is not stolen land. If you knew anything about Israels declaration of independence, you wouldn't be spewing the same crap over and over.

Legal mechanisms by great powers is does not negate the fact

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Muslims mostly hate Israel because Israel is not a Muslim Arab state.
Imagine the entire Israel - Palestinian scenario from 1948 was the same, but instead of Israel being a Jewish country, it was another Muslim Arab country: do you think the Muslims would hate Israel the Muslim state?? No.

Well, no, because it would be owned by the people native to the land, and not some interlopers from Europe. Here was the problem. The Arabs revolted against the Turks because the British promised them independence. And then they turned around and tried to colonize the place.

my point is, you can't scream "anti-Semitism" when everyone involved is a Semite.

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And what do any of your last like 50 posts have to do with Jonathan Pollard??
Just as I said a few days ago, you just started this thread to trash Israel, like you've do e so many times. Like the time you said that you hope Israel vanishes from the history books.
Stop spewing your propaganda you brainwashed Terrorist shill

Actually, I'm talking about Israel beause the usual suspects are showing up with their "Israel Good, Muslims bad" horseshyte.

Negate what fact?? Israel was legally created by cessation of the mandate.
And Guess what, the Jews were ALSO promised something more than they got, before the Brits negged on their promise. As for the European Jews, their immigration was not only encouraged, but facilitated as well, so if course they went over there. It was much better than staying in Europe where Anti Semitism was on the rise.
However; none of this matters in the real world. Israel is not going to move, and the Jews aren't going to Europe.
You and the Palestinians need to deal with these very simple facts.
And even though Arabs are Semites, the official meaning of anti Semitism is hatred of JEWS. So stop trying to be a smartass

 

[JoeB131]

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Oh, Joe, more money is spent on other things right here in the U.S. that many citizens think are useless. Just by you anti-Semites constantly bringing up Israel and the help it gets from the U.S. tells the readers all they want to know. For years, people like you have been bringing this up. No doubt it is a one of the favorite subjects on the NeoNazi/Islamfascist hate sites. Meanwhile, you remind me of the Army group that was found up in Ft. Lewis Washington. They didn't like the Jews either. Don't the readers just love the way how peoiple like Joe bring up that Israel is bankrupting the U.S. and they are the problem for all that is going on in the Middle East. How many times have the readers heard the same song and dance.

Yawn, i really love the use of the word "anti-Semite".

Ummm. The Arabs are also a Semitic people.

I just questions why we need to be involved in the middle of their fights or paying for them to play, "My Magic Sky Man Loves me the Very Best".

THe Muslim world hates Israel for pretty good reasons. They stole their land and killed their people.

And we've made ourselves accessories to their crimes.

I agree with Joe about the use of the word "anti-Semite". I prefer "Jew-hating sonofabitch". Rolls off the tongue more easily.

But equally inaccurate.

Incidently, I have nothing against Jewish people. Have had Jewish friends most of my adult life, dated a Jewish gal once, and have many interesting political conversations with Jewish folks who are generally more liberal than I am. (although, honestly, I only have become really liberal in the last six years or so.)

My problem with Israel is that it is an apartheid state based on religious segregation.

But I'm actually also fair. I've defended them against charges that the attack on the USS Liberty was a conspiracy. (Sorry, it really was just an accident, and the US Navy bears at least part of the blame.) I think Pollard has gotten a bad rap because other guys did the same thing and got off with less.

However, on the larger point, Israel is based on a lie. It was not "A Land without a People for a People Without a Land". That land was stolen from the rightful owners,and it will always be a bone of contention.

 

[toastman]

Again, the land was not stolen. It did not 'belong' to the Palestinians. Thats just a myth.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, the land was not stolen. It did not 'belong' to the Palestinians. Thats just a myth.

Who did it belong to? The Ottomans? The British?

 

[RoccoR]

JoeB131, et al,

Yawn is right! But Maybe not for the same reasons as you think.

Oh, Joe, more money is spent on other things right here in the U.S. that many citizens think are useless. Just by you anti-Semites constantly bringing up Israel and the help it gets from the U.S. tells the readers all they want to know. For years, people like you have been bringing this up. No doubt it is a one of the favorite subjects on the NeoNazi/Islamfascist hate sites. Meanwhile, you remind me of the Army group that was found up in Ft. Lewis Washington. They didn't like the Jews either. Don't the readers just love the way how peoiple like Joe bring up that Israel is bankrupting the U.S. and they are the problem for all that is going on in the Middle East. How many times have the readers heard the same song and dance.

Yawn, i really love the use of the word "anti-Semite".

Ummm. The Arabs are also a Semitic people.

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Yes, they are. It makes you stop to think about the legitimacy of all this racial and ethnic banter --- does it not.

I just questions why we need to be involved in the middle of their fights or paying for them to play, "My Magic Sky Man Loves me the Very Best".

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I don't understand the reference to "My Magic Sky Man Loves me the Very Best." I saw that once before in you Posting #62 in the Current Events Thread: France nukes deal with Iran. I didn't understand it then (either).

This issue was about the Allied Powers making a conscience decision (inborn sense of right and wrong) to preserve the Jewish culture and the Jewish people. It was about how the Allied Powers adopted a measure, in favor of the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people, in an effort to protect them from further harm and discrimination. I can understand why you might not think this was a worthy cause, but at the time of the San Remo Convention, the representatives of the waring powers on the Allied side, thought otherwise.

THe Muslim world hates Israel for pretty good reasons. They stole their land and killed their people.

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We will have to agree to disagree.

There was no stolen land in the broad brush stroke you paint. And the killing was a consequence of hostile actions on both sides (neither side had clean hands). The adverse outcome we today was a failure to realizing that the surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations (both Arab and Jewish), through the "Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories." [Article I - FAISAL-WEIZMANN AGREEMENT (3 January 1919)]

The allocation of Arab territories

Article 22 laid down no rules for the selection of the Mandatory Powers or for the distribution of mandates between them. Turkey and Germany were simply made to renounce their claims to sovereignty over the territories whose distribution was to be decided by the Allied Powers. Germany's divestiture of titles was codified in the Treaty of Versailles (article 119). In the case of Turkey, such renunciation was provided for in the Treaty of Sevres of 1920 (article 132) but, since that treaty never came into force, the renunciation of Turkish claims over non-Turkish territories was formalized in the Treaty of Lausanne. The treaties of Versailles and of Lausanne contained explicit provisions empowering the Allied Powers to apportion the "freed" territories as their mandates.

The former German territories were allotted by a decision of the Supreme Council of the Allied Powers on 7 May 1919, shortly after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles. The former Turkish territories, however, were divided at the Conference of San Remo on 25 April 1920, while a legal state of war with Turkey still existed, three years before the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne. The administration of Syria and Lebanon was awarded to France, and that of Palestine and Transjordan and of Mesopotamia (Iraq) to Great Britain.​

SOURCE: UN DPR Document: Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem 30 June 1978

And we've made ourselves accessories to their crimes.

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No, you just have over exaggerated your sympathies to the Arab-Palestinian Cause. It is easy enough to do. In the last three centuries, there has been no people that have better promoted themselves as the virtual and perpetual victim better than the Arab-Palestinian.

The Israeli-Palestinian dispute is heavily twisted around post 1920 concepts, put into practice well after the Allied Powers made their decisions on the preservation effort. Arab-Palestinians have been trying to use post-San Remo concepts for nearly a hundred years to substantiate that the very bodies of civilization that wrote the concepts (of determination, rights of the indigenous population, civil liberties and religious freedoms, anti-Apartheid laws, principle of peaceful negotiations and settlements, the Geneva Convention, and all the treaties) are violators of those very concepts. The Arab-Palestinian, that openly supports Jihadist action and Armed Fedayeen Struggle through the use of any and all means, wants to justify their actions by saying the Israelis stole this and did that.

Yes I can see why you might have questions. But you have already made up your mind as to the evidence, and that it is in favor of the people that committed the Massacre at the Olympic Games, that pirated the MS Achille Lauro - killing and dumping the wheel chair bound body of an American into the sea, that hijacked TWA flight 847, killing a US Navy diver Robert Stethem and threw his body on the tarmac, that shot Gail Rubin, niece of Senator Abraham Ribicoff, on an Israeli beach, or bombed a Bus in Jerusalem killing Alan Beer, of Cleveland and injuring Sarri Singer, 27, daughter of New Jersey State Senator Robert Singer. I can see why you would stand up and support the al-Qassam Brigade --- named after the father of the Palestinian Black Hand.

Any attempt I may make to persuade you to fight against the forces that organize, instigate, facilitate, participate in, finance, encourage or tolerate these types terrorist activities intended to be committed against the US or the State of Israel that followed the recommendation of the General Assembly, would be futile. But please, don't act as if the Arab Palestinian is blameless. That is simply even more naive than any other position you could possibly take.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Synthaholic]

US Might free Jonathan Pollard

They better not release this traitorous piece of shit!

I haven't read this thread, but he did it for the money. Not for Israeli patriotism.

 

[JoeB131]

Rocco, I'm going to give you a little credit because you've elevated the discussion above "Why do you hate Jewish People".

The "Magic Sky Man" reference is that anyone looks at this slaughterhouse of a world and thinks that there is a God who cares and has a sense of right and wrong. It the Israelis and Arabs were all atheists, we wouldn't have an issue here.

second, whining about individual acts of terror - oh, yeah, and let's make sure we talk about Americans killed- but you all don't want to talk about Rachel Corey who was run over by a Zionist bulldozer that was levelling the house of a Palestinian pharmacist. I don't think either side is "innocent".

They have both shown a willingness to slaughter people.

I question why we keep getting in the middle of this fight.

Because we feel bad about what happened in WWII. Yeah, I guess we should, and if they gave them a slice of Germany, I'd have no issue with that.

My problem has always been with how we have a political structure in this country that puts Israel's interests above Americas. Where a creep like Sheldon Adelson can demand GOP candidates come to Vegas and kiss his ring, and BUsh, Christie and Scott Walker all comply.

 

[toastman]

'Zionist Bulldozer'.

Man, you Israel haters crack me up.

Oh, and Rachel Corrie stood in front of the 'Zionist Bulldozer' like a dumbass.
You morons always twist it and act as if the bulldozer chased her down the street as she was running from her life.