US lawmakers forced to sign support of Israel

[Artevelde]

Holocaust denial is a criminal offense in many European countries, is tort libel in Britain, and should be regarded as evidence of mental illness in any civilized nation.

I think these holocaust deniers are a danger to themselves and others and belong in straitjackets in rubber rooms.

And they’re not mentally well until they disavow their delusional belief in the “Holohoax”.

The Holocaust was REAL. Holocaust deniers are delusional.

Scizophrenia is a mental illness. Paranois is a mental illness.

Holocaust denial is not a mental illness - it is simply a belief based largely on lies and distortions of history.

Calling it a mental illness is imbelilic and dishonest....what next - burning witches?

The irony here being that you have no problem at all with racism, lying about history or distortions as concepts - you only have a problem when other people do it.

Holocaust denial is indeed not an illness. Nor should it be a crime (in my opinion). It is a stupid falsehood and denial of historical facts. But lying and being stupid are in and of themselves not crimes.

 

[Roudy]

Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who hasn't bowed at the altar of AIPAC.

PS- When was the last time you heard anything other than the Zionist view in the media?

Ron Paul can eat shit. Him and his three supporters.

While I am not a Ron Paul supporter, it's a bit ludicrous to depict him as you do. He has proven to have a substantial appeal and he has a coherent political vision and philosophy (most of which I don't share).

Perhaps you should examine the kind of people that voted for him, and the racist newletters he sent with his signature on it. He has a strong following among neo Nazis and Islamists. He's a lot more radical than he lets on. The reason he got the little votes he did was because the stupid Republicans allowed him to be a candidate and gave him a podium in the debates. Otherwise he'd be another Mc Kinney.

 

[Roudy]

Holocaust denial is a criminal offense in many European countries, is tort libel in Britain, and should be regarded as evidence of mental illness in any civilized nation.

I think these holocaust deniers are a danger to themselves and others and belong in straitjackets in rubber rooms.

And they’re not mentally well until they disavow their delusional belief in the “Holohoax”.

The Holocaust was REAL. Holocaust deniers are delusional.

Scizophrenia is a mental illness. Paranois is a mental illness.

Holocaust denial is not a mental illness - it is simply a belief based largely on lies and distortions of history.

Calling it a mental illness is imbelilic and dishonest....what next - burning witches?

The irony here being that you have no problem at all with racism, lying about history or distortions as concepts - you only have a problem when other people do it.

Holocaust denial is indeed not an illness. Nor should it be a crime (in my opinion). It is a stupid falsehood and denial of historical facts. But lying and being stupid are in and of themselves not crimes.

But most people who deny the holocaust also exhibit signs of mental illness.

 

[RoccoR]

Artevelde, Saigon, Roudy, et al,

I think that anyone who cares to look, can find and understand that, like the Inquisition, the events that we call the "Holocaust" are as credible and real as any documented event in history.

Holocaust denial is a criminal offense in many European countries, is tort libel in Britain, and should be regarded as evidence of mental illness in any civilized nation.

I think these holocaust deniers are a danger to themselves and others and belong in straitjackets in rubber rooms.

And they’re not mentally well until they disavow their delusional belief in the “Holohoax”.

The Holocaust was REAL. Holocaust deniers are delusional.

Scizophrenia is a mental illness. Paranois is a mental illness.

Holocaust denial is not a mental illness - it is simply a belief based largely on lies and distortions of history.

Calling it a mental illness is imbelilic and dishonest....what next - burning witches?

The irony here being that you have no problem at all with racism, lying about history or distortions as concepts - you only have a problem when other people do it.

Holocaust denial is indeed not an illness. Nor should it be a crime (in my opinion). It is a stupid falsehood and denial of historical facts. But lying and being stupid are in and of themselves not crimes.

(COMMENT)

Holocaust denial and Holocaust fixation are two sides of the same coin, at opposite end of the spectrum; neither of which are likely to subside in our life-time.

There is no one cause for these psychological afflictions. But both flare as a reactive response to the other. Like the Inquisition, or the decimation of the Templars, only time will heal the wounds --- if, and only if, we let it. But in our time, the now, it is an emotionally charged issue that some will never let go of, and continue to illuminate, for one reason or another. And we have to recognize what it is, and the emotional harm it causes.

Just My Thought,
R

 

[Saigon]

But most people who deny the holocaust also exhibit signs of mental illness.

No, they don't.

Most people who deny the holocaust shows signs of either having been manipulated or having other, more deep-seated reasons for denial, but factors like gullibility, social isolation, and race hatred are not mental illnesses.

 

[Saigon]

(COMMENT)

Holocaust denial and Holocaust fixation are two sides of the same coin, at opposite end of the spectrum; neither of which are likely to subside in our life-time.

There is no one cause for these psychological afflictions. But both flare as a reactive response to the other. Like the Inquisition, or the decimation of the Templars, only time will heal the wounds --- if, and only if, we let it. But in our time, the now, it is an emotionally charged issue that some will never let go of, and continue to illuminate, for one reason or another. And we have to recognize what it is, and the emotional harm it causes.

Just My Thought,
R

That is an interesting take on things, Rocco. There are a few people out there who really are fixated on the Holocaust, and I agree it isn't always healthy.

 

[Sunni Man]

 

[Saigon]

Sunni Man -

I don't see hate speech as being so different from any other crime. If you assault someone, you may lose the right to walk down the street for a year or two. If you commit fraud, you may lose the right to keep all of your money.

I have no problem denying free speech to people who only use it to lie, manipulate and taunt others.

I'd like to see all discussion forums clamp down on some of the Hate Speech we see here.

 

[Emanamana]

Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who hasn't bowed at the altar of AIPAC.

PS- When was the last time you heard anything other than the Zionist view in the media?

Ron Paul can eat shit. Him and his three supporters.

While I am not a Ron Paul supporter, it's a bit ludicrous to depict him as you do. He has proven to have a substantial appeal and he has a coherent political vision and philosophy (most of which I don't share).

Dr. Paul's "crime" is that he is an AMERICA-FIRSTER.

He fully supports the US Constitution; which is why the Israel-Firsters hate him so.

 

[Artevelde]

Sunni Man -

I don't see hate speech as being so different from any other crime. If you assault someone, you may lose the right to walk down the street for a year or two. If you commit fraud, you may lose the right to keep all of your money.

I have no problem denying free speech to people who only use it to lie, manipulate and taunt others.

I'd like to see all discussion forums clamp down on some of the Hate Speech we see here.

I disagree strongly. There should be the greatest possible freedom of speech and thought, including hateful and repeelent speech and thought.

 

[Artevelde]

Scizophrenia is a mental illness. Paranois is a mental illness.

Holocaust denial is not a mental illness - it is simply a belief based largely on lies and distortions of history.

Calling it a mental illness is imbelilic and dishonest....what next - burning witches?

The irony here being that you have no problem at all with racism, lying about history or distortions as concepts - you only have a problem when other people do it.

Holocaust denial is indeed not an illness. Nor should it be a crime (in my opinion). It is a stupid falsehood and denial of historical facts. But lying and being stupid are in and of themselves not crimes.

But most people who deny the holocaust also exhibit signs of mental illness.

No, not really. Some of them are even very intelligent and articulate, which makes them all the more dangerous.

 

[Artevelde]

Ron Paul can eat shit. Him and his three supporters.

While I am not a Ron Paul supporter, it's a bit ludicrous to depict him as you do. He has proven to have a substantial appeal and he has a coherent political vision and philosophy (most of which I don't share).

Perhaps you should examine the kind of people that voted for him, and the racist newletters he sent with his signature on it. He has a strong following among neo Nazis and Islamists. He's a lot more radical than he lets on. The reason he got the little votes he did was because the stupid Republicans allowed him to be a candidate and gave him a podium in the debates. Otherwise he'd be another Mc Kinney.

Why shouldn't they allow an elected person to be a candidate?

 

[Roudy]

But most people who deny the holocaust also exhibit signs of mental illness.

No, they don't.

Most people who deny the holocaust shows signs of either having been manipulated or having other, more deep-seated reasons for denial, but factors like gullibility, social isolation, and race hatred are not mental illnesses.

You forgot they happen to be rabid anti Semites which is THE MAIN REASON. Douche.

 

[Roudy]

While I am not a Ron Paul supporter, it's a bit ludicrous to depict him as you do. He has proven to have a substantial appeal and he has a coherent political vision and philosophy (most of which I don't share).

Perhaps you should examine the kind of people that voted for him, and the racist newletters he sent with his signature on it. He has a strong following among neo Nazis and Islamists. He's a lot more radical than he lets on. The reason he got the little votes he did was because the stupid Republicans allowed him to be a candidate and gave him a podium in the debates. Otherwise he'd be another Mc Kinney.

Why shouldn't they allow an elected person to be a candidate?

He had no place being a republican candidate. That's the only reason he got all those "votes". The guy is certified loony tunes. Half the time people were laughing at his responses in the debates.

 

[Saigon]

You forgot they happen to be rabid anti Semites which is THE MAIN REASON. Douche.

No one is born an anti-semite, any more than you were born a racist.

WHY people become anti-semitic or racist is the more interesting point here.

For many, I think it is a deep sense of personal insecurity - they feel stronger when they can make others feel threatened. Add to this the need to feel part of a gang or clique, the need to feel special - this is very evident with Revisionists, most of whom are not special at all.

I also think a lot of racists like to feel they are a victim - it explains why their life is shit. If you are a shelf packer in a supermarket, not great looking, not good at sports - it must be nice to think that your life would be great if only for those damn Jews/Muslims/Whites.

All hatred is ultimately the same - the people who hate Muslims or Jews or gays or socialists....it's all the same masking for something they fear they lack.

Confident people don't need to hate.

 

[Emanamana]

You forgot they happen to be rabid anti Semites which is THE MAIN REASON. Douche.

No one is born an anti-semite, any more than you were born a racist.

WHY people become anti-semitic or racist is the more interesting point here.

For many, I think it is a deep sense of personal insecurity - they feel stronger when they can make others feel threatened. Add to this the need to feel part of a gang or clique, the need to feel special - this is very evident with Revisionists, most of whom are not special at all.

I also think a lot of racists like to feel they are a victim - it explains why their life is shit. If you are a shelf packer in a supermarket, not great looking, not good at sports - it must be nice to think that your life would be great if only for those damn Jews/Muslims/Whites.

All hatred is ultimately the same - the people who hate Muslims or Jews or gays or socialists....it's all the same masking for something they fear they lack.

Confident people don't need to hate.

I think that reflexly calling anyone an "anti-Semite"- whatever that is- for vague reasons- usually centered around criticism of the apartheid/expansionist/thuggish policies of the government of Israel (not all Israelis; not all followers of Judaism) is a form of hate-ism.

And, therefore, I do agree with Saigon's statement, above: Those Israel-Firsters NEVER debate the issues- they ALWAYS resort to hate-speech, like "Ron Paul can eat sh!t" and "you're a Muslime/anti-Semite/poo-poo head/whatever".

 

[Roudy]

You forgot they happen to be rabid anti Semites which is THE MAIN REASON. Douche.

No one is born an anti-semite, any more than you were born a racist.

WHY people become anti-semitic or racist is the more interesting point here.

For many, I think it is a deep sense of personal insecurity - they feel stronger when they can make others feel threatened. Add to this the need to feel part of a gang or clique, the need to feel special - this is very evident with Revisionists, most of whom are not special at all.

I also think a lot of racists like to feel they are a victim - it explains why their life is shit. If you are a shelf packer in a supermarket, not great looking, not good at sports - it must be nice to think that your life would be great if only for those damn Jews/Muslims/Whites.

All hatred is ultimately the same - the people who hate Muslims or Jews or gays or socialists....it's all the same masking for something they fear they lack.

Confident people don't need to hate.

Shows how little you know about people and life in general. Hatred and racism is usually learned behavior due to upbringing, environment, religious teachings, education, family, brainwashing, ignorance, etc. Some hatred is due to cause and effect, in other words a person or group is victimized by another.

 

[Roudy]

It's hilarious for Muslims to complain about "freedom of speech"!

 

[Roudy]

You forgot they happen to be rabid anti Semites which is THE MAIN REASON. Douche.

No one is born an anti-semite, any more than you were born a racist.

WHY people become anti-semitic or racist is the more interesting point here.

For many, I think it is a deep sense of personal insecurity - they feel stronger when they can make others feel threatened. Add to this the need to feel part of a gang or clique, the need to feel special - this is very evident with Revisionists, most of whom are not special at all.

I also think a lot of racists like to feel they are a victim - it explains why their life is shit. If you are a shelf packer in a supermarket, not great looking, not good at sports - it must be nice to think that your life would be great if only for those damn Jews/Muslims/Whites.

All hatred is ultimately the same - the people who hate Muslims or Jews or gays or socialists....it's all the same masking for something they fear they lack.

Confident people don't need to hate.

I think that reflexly calling anyone an "anti-Semite"- whatever that is- for vague reasons- usually centered around criticism of the apartheid/expansionist/thuggish policies of the government of Israel (not all Israelis; not all followers of Judaism) is a form of hate-ism.

And, therefore, I do agree with Saigon's statement, above: Those Israel-Firsters NEVER debate the issues- they ALWAYS resort to hate-speech, like "Ron Paul can eat sh!t" and "you're a Muslime/anti-Semite/poo-poo head/whatever".

Eh, nice try no cigar. Israelis and Jews criticize many Israeli policies, just as Americans criticize American policies. It's one thing to criticize, it's another thing to call yourself an "anti Zionist" which is what anti Semites are. Anti Zionism is the new anti Semitism. Wanting the destruction of Israel or asking it to make concessions that will in essence bring about it's destruction is not "being critical of Israel".

 

[Roudy]

You forgot they happen to be rabid anti Semites which is THE MAIN REASON. Douche.

No one is born an anti-semite, any more than you were born a racist.

WHY people become anti-semitic or racist is the more interesting point here.

For many, I think it is a deep sense of personal insecurity - they feel stronger when they can make others feel threatened. Add to this the need to feel part of a gang or clique, the need to feel special - this is very evident with Revisionists, most of whom are not special at all.

I also think a lot of racists like to feel they are a victim - it explains why their life is shit. If you are a shelf packer in a supermarket, not great looking, not good at sports - it must be nice to think that your life would be great if only for those damn Jews/Muslims/Whites.

All hatred is ultimately the same - the people who hate Muslims or Jews or gays or socialists....it's all the same masking for something they fear they lack.

Confident people don't need to hate.

I think that reflexly calling anyone an "anti-Semite"- whatever that is- for vague reasons- usually centered around criticism of the apartheid/expansionist/thuggish policies of the government of Israel (not all Israelis; not all followers of Judaism) is a form of hate-ism.

And, therefore, I do agree with Saigon's statement, above: Those Israel-Firsters NEVER debate the issues- they ALWAYS resort to hate-speech, like "Ron Paul can eat sh!t" and "you're a Muslime/anti-Semite/poo-poo head/whatever".

Muslims Against Sharia Blog

"ANTI-ZIONISM IS THE NEW ANTI-SEMITISM" - SAYS DR. PHYLLIS CHESLER

BY: FERN SIDMAN

Israel National News caught up with frequent op-ed contributor, Dr. Phyllis Chesler, as she delivered remarks at a first-of-its-kind conference in Toronto entitled, "When Middle East Politics Invade Campus" on February 16th. No stranger to the lecture circuit or to controversy, Dr. Chesler's appearance at this seminal intellectual forum served as the epicenter of the conversation on the continued and increasingly hostile demonization of Israel, both on the college campus and in the media.

FS: Today, you addressed the escalating hatred of Israel in the realm of the Western academy. Can you tell us your observations of this phenomenon since your book, "The New Anti-Semitism" came about some years ago?

PC: As I first wrote in 2001-2002, the new anti-Semitisim also consists of a rather frightening, genocidal anti-Zionism. The global demonization of Israel has gathered such speed and force that it could, potentially – it is certainly meant to – delegitimize and destroy the Jewish state. In 2005, Iran’s Ahmadinejad said that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” In 2006, he said that the Middle East would be better off “without the existence of the Zionist regime” and that Israel would “soon be wiped out.”

In 2011, Many signs and placards in Cairo, including the many effigies of Hosni Mubarak, all bore Stars of David; Mubarak was accused of being a Zionist—the worst epithet imaginable. Predictably, on February 11, 2011, the anniversary of the so-called 1979 Iranian revolution, President Ahmadinejad congratulated the triumphant Egyptians. He said: “Despite all the West’s complicated and Satanic designs…a new Middle East is emerging without the Zionist regime and U.S. interference, a place where the arrogant powers will have no place.” Israel is under the most profound, even existential siege.

On February 13, 2011, the Israeli government urged Israelis to return home from the Sinai for fear “that the peninsula will become a launching pad for terror attacks as Egyptian police abandon their posts.” Thus, Israel is now surrounded by Hamas in Gaza, Iran’s Hezbollah in Lebanon, potentially the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and the various Islamist and jihadist groups on the West Bank. In addition, let’s not forget that in the early years of the Intifada, Israeli civilians were murdered and maimed in huge numbers. Had the equivalent happened in the United States it would have instantly launched World War IV.

FS: Do you think the Egpytian people will eventually embrace a civilian government that is predicated on secular, democratic principles?

PC: Please remember that the women in Tahrir Square were mainly wearing serious hijab and even niqab. They are already pro-Islamist. According to a June 2010 Pew Research opinion survey of Egyptians, it stated that, “Fifty nine percent said they back Islamists. Only 27% said they back modernizers. Half of Egyptians support Hamas. Thirty percent support Hizbullah and 20% support al Qaida. Moreover, 95% of them would welcome Islamic influence over their politics….Eighty two percent of Egyptians support executing adulterers by stoning, 77% support whipping and cutting the hands off thieves. 84% support executing any Muslim who changes his religion."

FS: What is your message for those who are indifferent to the growing scourge of Islamic propaganda and terrorism?

PC: We, the world’s civilians, are now all Israelis. The same world which refused to stop the airplane hijackings and suicide killers which blew up countless Israeli civilians has now inherited this whirlwind. As they say: It may start with the Jews but it never ends there.
Posted by Fern Sidman at 9:01 PM