US Drones Kill 28 "Unknowns" for Every Intended Target

[bripat9643]

Imagine of Qari Hussain or one of his henchmen sawed the head off of one of your children.

Imagine if your house and family were blown up in the name of killing Qari Hussain.

Imagine if Qari Hussain gave the order to his minions to blow up your house and family.

Of course the argument is not that Qari Hussain was a nice guy justified in anything that he did. The argument is that if Hussain is a bad guy for killing civilians, then so are the people who killed civilians to get Hussain. Civilians in the Middle East are no less people and it's no less a crime to kill them.

So was FDR a bad guy because he killed millions of Europeans in his effort to get Hitler?

Yes, and Truman was a bad guy for ordering the unnecessary vaporization of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians. Killing innocent people doesn't suddenly become good because you think you're doing it for a good cause, or because "we" did it or if we have nice little catch phrases like "war is hell." Killing innocent people is always wrong and always a crime against humanity.

So Abraham Lincoln should have been prosecuted for crimes against humanity?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Imagine if your house and family were blown up in the name of killing Qari Hussain.

Imagine if Qari Hussain gave the order to his minions to blow up your house and family.

Of course the argument is not that Qari Hussain was a nice guy justified in anything that he did. The argument is that if Hussain is a bad guy for killing civilians, then so are the people who killed civilians to get Hussain. Civilians in the Middle East are no less people and it's no less a crime to kill them.

So was FDR a bad guy because he killed millions of Europeans in his effort to get Hitler?

Yes, and Truman was a bad guy for ordering the unnecessary vaporization of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians. Killing innocent people doesn't suddenly become good because you think you're doing it for a good cause, or because "we" did it or if we have nice little catch phrases like "war is hell." Killing innocent people is always wrong and always a crime against humanity.

So Abraham Lincoln should have been prosecuted for crimes against humanity?

Absolutely. Along with McKinley, both Roosevelts, Wilson, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, etc... etc...

 

[Spare_change]

US drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan have killed around 1,147 unknown people in failed attempts to kill 41 named targets according to a report by human rights charity Reprieve.

"Key findings of the report include:

• In Pakistan, 24 men were reported as killed or targeted multiple times. Missed strikes on these men killed 874 people, including 142 children.
• In Yemen, 17 men were reported killed or targeted multiple times. Missile strikes on these men killed 273 others and accounted for almost half of all confirmed civilian casualties and 100% of all recorded child deaths.
• In targeting Ayman al Zawahiri, the CIA killed 76 children and 29 adults. They failed twice, and Ayman al Zawahiri is reportedly still alive."

Reprieve mdash US drone strikes kill 28 unknown people for every intended target new Reprieve report reveals

War on Terror?

Let the unknowns beware. Kill the jihadists or die with them. Allahu akbar.

So does that make you a legitimate target for the jihadists then? If innocent civilians over there are legitimate targets then you and I must be as well.

Yep, you are .... scary, huh?

Not particularly. The truth, however, is that I'm not. Neither are you, or any other innocent civilians. If we were, then 9/11 was a legitimate military action against the United States and I don't think anybody is making that claim.

I think you're asking the wrong people ---- I can think of several who would claim it was a military victory.

 

[Spare_change]

Good job security plan. Like line form "The Hurt Locker" after the cabbie arrives on scene and bomb tech shoots a warning shot into his windshield, "If he wasn't an insurrgent before, he is now."

Imagine the cabbie's reaction if the warning shot had killed one of his children?
"It took the US six attempts to kill Qari Hussain, a Pakistani target. During these attempts, 128 people were killed, including 13 children."

Reprieve mdash US drone strikes kill 28 unknown people for every intended target new Reprieve report reveals

Imagine of Qari Hussain or one of his henchmen sawed the head off of one of your children.

Imagine if your house and family were blown up in the name of killing Qari Hussain.

Imagine if Qari Hussain gave the order to his minions to blow up your house and family.

Of course the argument is not that Qari Hussain was a nice guy justified in anything that he did. The argument is that if Hussain is a bad guy for killing civilians, then so are the people who killed civilians to get Hussain. Civilians in the Middle East are no less people and it's no less a crime to kill them.

Sorry - there is no logic at all in your argument ... you fail to recognize the presence of evil and the necessity of killing it.

 

[Spare_change]

Imagine of Qari Hussain or one of his henchmen sawed the head off of one of your children.

Imagine if your house and family were blown up in the name of killing Qari Hussain.

Imagine if Qari Hussain gave the order to his minions to blow up your house and family.

Of course the argument is not that Qari Hussain was a nice guy justified in anything that he did. The argument is that if Hussain is a bad guy for killing civilians, then so are the people who killed civilians to get Hussain. Civilians in the Middle East are no less people and it's no less a crime to kill them.

So was FDR a bad guy because he killed millions of Europeans in his effort to get Hitler?

Yes, and Truman was a bad guy for ordering the unnecessary vaporization of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians. Killing innocent people doesn't suddenly become good because you think you're doing it for a good cause, or because "we" did it or if we have nice little catch phrases like "war is hell." Killing innocent people is always wrong and always a crime against humanity.

Well, actually it does become good .... your naivete is only exceeded by your unwillingness to accept the reality of evil.

 

[thereisnospoon]

US drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan have killed around 1,147 unknown people in failed attempts to kill 41 named targets according to a report by human rights charity Reprieve.

"Key findings of the report include:

• In Pakistan, 24 men were reported as killed or targeted multiple times. Missed strikes on these men killed 874 people, including 142 children.
• In Yemen, 17 men were reported killed or targeted multiple times. Missile strikes on these men killed 273 others and accounted for almost half of all confirmed civilian casualties and 100% of all recorded child deaths.
• In targeting Ayman al Zawahiri, the CIA killed 76 children and 29 adults. They failed twice, and Ayman al Zawahiri is reportedly still alive."

Reprieve mdash US drone strikes kill 28 unknown people for every intended target new Reprieve report reveals

War on Terror?

Reprieve?.....facepalm

 

[thereisnospoon]

US drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan have killed around 1,147 unknown people in failed attempts to kill 41 named targets according to a report by human rights charity Reprieve.

"Key findings of the report include:

• In Pakistan, 24 men were reported as killed or targeted multiple times. Missed strikes on these men killed 874 people, including 142 children.
• In Yemen, 17 men were reported killed or targeted multiple times. Missile strikes on these men killed 273 others and accounted for almost half of all confirmed civilian casualties and 100% of all recorded child deaths.
• In targeting Ayman al Zawahiri, the CIA killed 76 children and 29 adults. They failed twice, and Ayman al Zawahiri is reportedly still alive."

Reprieve mdash US drone strikes kill 28 unknown people for every intended target new Reprieve report reveals

War on Terror?

Funny how the good guys' 'war on terror' so closely resembles terrorist tactics. Are we sure they're the bad guys?

You actually believe this alleged report?

 

[georgephillip]

Since Vietnam the Troops are subject to court martial if they call a mortar or artillery strike that kills civilians while WW2 rules still apply about air strikes killing civilians. The ironic lesson is that combat Troops are better at determining the enemy than the idiots who run the air combat missions. We still haven't learned a thing from Vietnam.

Or Nuremberg:
"The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war 'essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.'"[2]

War of aggression - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

Well duh...I think we are

How many civilians have Muslim drone strikes murdered/maimed in your neighborhood?

 

[Shourn]

Both Parties love drones.

 

[Indofred]

The United States of America is the worst terrorist nation on Earth.
How many of their mass murderers have they taken to court?

 

[zeke]

"A new report finds U.S. drone strikes kill 28 unidentified people for every intended target. While the Obama administration has claimed its drone strikes are precise, the group Reprieve found that strikes targeting 41 people in Yemen and Pakistan have killed more than 1,000 other, unnamed people. In its attempts to kill al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri alone, the CIA killed 76 children and 29 adults; Al-Zawahiri remains alive."

And this is a problem how? In case you missed it, Muslims hate us and we hate them. Killing them is something we have been doing for what, 11 years now? Hell we have an entire political party dedicated to killing Muslims.
We have "leaders" who express their hatred and distrust of Muslims. Why are you upset about killing them?

You think they (Muslim terrorists) would be upset about killing a few more Americans than they had planned to kill? Hell, they would just consider those extra deaths a "bonus". What is the problem?

 

[georgephillip]

Reprieve?.....facepalm

Can you respond to Reprieve's content?
Probably not.
"Reprieve is an international human rights NGO with offices in London and New York.

"We promote the rule of law around the world, and secure each person’s right to a fair trial.

"And in doing so, we save lives.

"Reprieve prioritises the cases of prisoners accused of the most extreme crimes, such as acts of murder or terrorism, as it is in such cases that human rights are most likely to be jettisoned or eroded.

"Reprieve focuses on cases involving the world’s most powerful governments, especially those that should be upholding the highest standards when it comes to fair trials."
Reprieve

 

[georgephillip]

You actually believe this alleged report?

Until I see conflicting evidence, I'm inclined to accept Reprieve's account. Can you provide any reason to change my mind?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Imagine the cabbie's reaction if the warning shot had killed one of his children?
"It took the US six attempts to kill Qari Hussain, a Pakistani target. During these attempts, 128 people were killed, including 13 children."

Reprieve mdash US drone strikes kill 28 unknown people for every intended target new Reprieve report reveals

Imagine of Qari Hussain or one of his henchmen sawed the head off of one of your children.

Imagine if your house and family were blown up in the name of killing Qari Hussain.

Imagine if Qari Hussain gave the order to his minions to blow up your house and family.

Of course the argument is not that Qari Hussain was a nice guy justified in anything that he did. The argument is that if Hussain is a bad guy for killing civilians, then so are the people who killed civilians to get Hussain. Civilians in the Middle East are no less people and it's no less a crime to kill them.

Sorry - there is no logic at all in your argument ... you fail to recognize the presence of evil and the necessity of killing it.

If you want to talk about a lack of logic let's look at justifying the death of innocent civilians, an evil in and of itself, to battle evil, and thus cause more people to turn to evil actions in retaliation. Logically, evil + evil = evil. Good thinking.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Imagine if your house and family were blown up in the name of killing Qari Hussain.

Imagine if Qari Hussain gave the order to his minions to blow up your house and family.

Of course the argument is not that Qari Hussain was a nice guy justified in anything that he did. The argument is that if Hussain is a bad guy for killing civilians, then so are the people who killed civilians to get Hussain. Civilians in the Middle East are no less people and it's no less a crime to kill them.

So was FDR a bad guy because he killed millions of Europeans in his effort to get Hitler?

Yes, and Truman was a bad guy for ordering the unnecessary vaporization of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians. Killing innocent people doesn't suddenly become good because you think you're doing it for a good cause, or because "we" did it or if we have nice little catch phrases like "war is hell." Killing innocent people is always wrong and always a crime against humanity.

Well, actually it does become good .... your naivete is only exceeded by your unwillingness to accept the reality of evil.

I am willing to accept the reality of evil: the evil of killing innocent civilians. You don't get to complain about evil while trying to justify killing innocent people.

 

[georgephillip]

You think they (Muslim terrorists) would be upset about killing a few more Americans than they had planned to kill? Hell, they would just consider those extra deaths a "bonus". What is the problem?

I think racist Americans have overreacted to the terrorist attacks of 911 by blaming all 1.7 billion Muslims worldwide for the actions of 15 Saudis. Perhaps more Americans should stop hating and start thinking about how they would feel if it were their children being confused with bug splats?

" In a lush field outside Pakistan's northwestern city of Peshawar, the face of a little girl stares up at the clouds, her eyes searching for the whirring machines that destroyed her family.

"Her face -- a picture of innocence -- adorns a giant poster that has been printed out by a group of artist-activists in Pakistan as part of a project, known as #NotABugSplat, to humanize victims of the controversial U.S. drone program in Pakistan's restive tribal region."
Not a bug splat Artists give drone victims a face in Pakistan - CNN.com

 

[Spare_change]

Imagine if Qari Hussain gave the order to his minions to blow up your house and family.

Of course the argument is not that Qari Hussain was a nice guy justified in anything that he did. The argument is that if Hussain is a bad guy for killing civilians, then so are the people who killed civilians to get Hussain. Civilians in the Middle East are no less people and it's no less a crime to kill them.

So was FDR a bad guy because he killed millions of Europeans in his effort to get Hitler?

Yes, and Truman was a bad guy for ordering the unnecessary vaporization of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilians. Killing innocent people doesn't suddenly become good because you think you're doing it for a good cause, or because "we" did it or if we have nice little catch phrases like "war is hell." Killing innocent people is always wrong and always a crime against humanity.

Well, actually it does become good .... your naivete is only exceeded by your unwillingness to accept the reality of evil.

I am willing to accept the reality of evil: the evil of killing innocent civilians. You don't get to complain about evil while trying to justify killing innocent people.

I'll mention that to 3 million Jews the next time I see them -

 

[Spare_change]

You think they (Muslim terrorists) would be upset about killing a few more Americans than they had planned to kill? Hell, they would just consider those extra deaths a "bonus". What is the problem?

I think racist Americans have overreacted to the terrorist attacks of 911 by blaming all 1.7 billion Muslims worldwide for the actions of 15 Saudis. Perhaps more Americans should stop hating and start thinking about how they would feel if it were their children being confused with bug splats?

" In a lush field outside Pakistan's northwestern city of Peshawar, the face of a little girl stares up at the clouds, her eyes searching for the whirring machines that destroyed her family.

"Her face -- a picture of innocence -- adorns a giant poster that has been printed out by a group of artist-activists in Pakistan as part of a project, known as #NotABugSplat, to humanize victims of the controversial U.S. drone program in Pakistan's restive tribal region."
Not a bug splat Artists give drone victims a face in Pakistan - CNN.com

And, I think that those 1.7 billion Muslims created, or tolerated, an environment that allowed such a despicable action. Pretty sure that eliminates them from the 'innocent' category.

How many innocents are killed every day by Muslim extremists? How many Muslims tolerate these terrorists acting in their name?

 

[georgephillip]

And, I think that those 1.7 billion Muslims created, or tolerated, an environment that allowed such a despicable action. Pretty sure that eliminates them from the 'innocent' category.

Hypocrites blame the world's Muslim population for the actions of 15 Saudis without accepting responsibility for the much greater crimes committed by their own government in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Palestine.

The greatest purveyor of violence in the world isn't innocent either.