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US Drawing Up Plans To Sink the Russian Black Sea Fleet: Ukrainian Official

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You know, it's almost as humorous as it is pathetically disturbing. Everybody, for the most part, is against undeclared warfare and concripting the American taxpayer to it. Well...until the propaganda starts.

Then everybody's for it.

It's the darndest thing. Not a nickel's worth of difference...
 
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I would submit that if The Navy isn't drawing up plans to sink ships of other countries, they aren't doing their job.

Sinking ships of other countries is their entire reason for existing.
Naval War College goes does that EVERY DAY.........constantly just making shit up and how to kill whomever.

Hell they probably have exercises if MARS ATTACKS.......lmao
 

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You know, it's almost as humorous as it is pathetically disturbing. Everybody, for the most part, is against undeclared warfare and concripting the American taxpayer to them. Well...until the propaganda starts.

Then everybody's for it.

It's the darndest thing. Not a nickel's worth of difference...
Yes, you are a magical, hyper intelligent truth fairy who possesses powers we mortals can never achieve.

Just kidding. In reality, the first world and the educated people in it immediately recoiled at Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and they have become more horrified with every report of him destroying cities block by block. Your characterizations of the reaction embarrass you as a dimstore cynic and someone who thinks saying dumb things is cool, simply because they run contrary to "popular opinion".
 

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Yes, you are a magical, hyper intelligent truth fairy who possesses powers we mortals can never achieve.

Just kidding. In reality, the first world and the educated people in it immediately recoiled at Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and they have become more horrified with every report of him destroying cities block by block. Your characterizations of the reaction embarrass you as a dimstore cynic and someone who thinks saying dumb things is cool, simply because they run contrary to "popular opinion".

Except I'm right. :dunno:
 

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well, someone's gotta do it.
 

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But how would those rules be enforced?

Only by NATO countries' forces shooting at Russian planes and anti aircraft forces.

Which we would be doing already, if not for the nuclear threats of a madman.

Installing more anti aircraft batteries, and the addition of Patriots, with American trainers. Don't be surprised to see F-35, and F-22 sorties out of Germany either. If Putin takes out an American ship, NATO is now fully engaged. With the fast track of adding Finland, and Sweden, you could expect air sorties out of both countries also.

This is what I mean by a frightening escalation. Putin will be forced to either put up, or shut up about the use of WMD's.
 

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No matter how it cuts, it's still a huge dangerous situation taking place in the world. We don't want nuclear Russia putting it's eye's on another prize, and all the while this time going nuclear in the process.
Russia went nuclear 70 years ago, and the reason the US and the Europeans are sending military aid to Ukraine is so that Russia does not put its eye on another prize, that is, attack a NATO country and force the US to actually go to war with Russia. In that context, sending Ukraine anti ship missiles may be a wise investment.
 

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Installing more anti aircraft batteries, and the addition of Patriots, with American trainers. Don't be surprised to see F-35, and F-22 sorties out of Germany either. If Putin takes out an American ship, NATO is now fully engaged. With the fast track of adding Finland, and Sweden, you could expect air sorties out of both countries also.

This is what I mean by a frightening escalation. Putin will be forced to either put up, or shut up about the use of WMD's.
Okay, but they won't get a chance to sink an American ship, as I understand it. We are just sending the anti-ship missiles. Like daddy holding the gun for little Timmy, and Timmy gets to pull the trigger

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None of the article mentioned anything about our Navy destroying their navy, as far as I can tell.
 

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Even if it's only going to start with one ship at a time, will this be a critical escalation and the end of mutually agreed upon rules governing this war?

Or could this be only in the interests of America's 'confidence' propaganda being used to ensure the Amerian people that they are still safe?

It really does appear to have some negative effect on building confidence in American minds!

And IMHO it's a bit puzzling on what the purpose could be when the ability to sink Russia's fleet is already there?
Mutually agreed upon rules governing this war?

Got a link?

US linked to sinking Ivan's fleet.....

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Russia went nuclear 70 years ago, and the reason the US and the Europeans are sending military aid to Ukraine is so that Russia does not put its eye on another prize, that is, attack a NATO country and force the US to actually go to war with Russia. In that context, sending Ukraine anti ship missiles may be a wise investment.
Well said. And that should be obvious to anyone. Putin wants to test NATO, and the real test would be to drop a bomb or roll a tank in a NATO country. He actually blames NATO aggression for forcing him to "defend" Russia and the ethnic Russians in Ukraine by invading Ukraine. So attacking NATO would, of course, be framed as self-defense.

Then what? Funny, as we all watched countries like Libya and Iraq get bowled over and noticed the lesson that Iran and North Korea took from it ("That's what happens, when you don't have nukes"), we forgot Putin was also watching. He apparently calculated that he can use his nukes not just as a defensive deterrent, but as an offensive threat as well. A threat made under the guise of self-defense, naturally. But, in reality: "Attempts to stop my aggression will be met with nuclear force."

He has to go.
 

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I would submit that if The Navy isn't drawing up plans to sink ships of other countries, they aren't doing their job.

Sinking ships of other countries is their entire reason for existing.
True, but telecasting it either openly or through a third party boasting it for them ??
 

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True, but telecasting it either openly or through a third party boasting it for them ??
It kind of more seems like the Ukrainian popped off at the mouth a bit. It's not as if Russia can't infer the intent of sending hundreds of anti ship missiles to Ukraine , all on their own. They aren't meant for Belarus or the pacific ocean. They will all be pointed at the black sea.
 

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Russia went nuclear 70 years ago, and the reason the US and the Europeans are sending military aid to Ukraine is so that Russia does not put its eye on another prize, that is, attack a NATO country and force the US to actually go to war with Russia. In that context, sending Ukraine anti ship missiles may be a wise investment.
Well on one hand the claim is that Russia is weak and appearing to be very rudimentary in it's war effort's, so why should we be worrying about Russia choosing another target during or after Ukraine gets done whooping it's ace ?? Hmmmm.
 

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Installing more anti aircraft batteries, and the addition of Patriots, with American trainers. Don't be surprised to see F-35, and F-22 sorties out of Germany either. If Putin takes out an American ship, NATO is now fully engaged. With the fast track of adding Finland, and Sweden, you could expect air sorties out of both countries also.

This is what I mean by a frightening escalation. Putin will be forced to either put up, or shut up about the use of WMD's.
He would probably put up at such a point, so the world's fear's would be realized after it drives a crazy man like Putin even more crazier by forcing his nuclear hand.
 

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Well on one hand the claim is that Russia is weak and appearing to be very rudimentary in it's war effort's, so why should we be worrying about Russia choosing another target during or after Ukraine gets done whooping it's ace ?? Hmmmm.
We shouldn't be worried if Ukraine sinks Russian ships using US anti ship missiles. We have given the Ukrainians anti aircraft missiles to shoot down Russan aircraft and anti tank missiles to blow up Russian tanks and heavy artillery to blow up everything Russian, so what's the big deal about giving Ukraine anti ship missiles to sink Russian ships? Actually, breaking the Russian blockade would be a service to the whole world.
 

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Yes, we elect them to make those decisions, your insane and childish language notwithstanding.
Hold on thar Buster.Like We also elected Biden to start a Treaty
{ in January } with the WHO as legal authority run by the United Nations
to control all aspects of Pandemics,plus any and all new Health Issues.
Just another sneaky aspect of how and why Biden was put in as a
Puppet authoritarian.To slowly degrade and weaken a once Superpower.
ALL under the auspice of New World Order Tyrants .
The goal is World Depopulation.In short making sure Millions
upon Millions of Humans perish on earth.Under whatever evil they can
prescribe.Famine.Disease.Suicide.mass hysteria and bloodshed.
We already see how the Democrats are tickled pink to engage in another
Summer of Love.No sane American Patriot ever voted for that.
BLM was a crock.Lockdowns,also.Vaccines that aren't technically
Vaccines but experimental drugs.That DON'T STOP COVID.
 

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We shouldn't be worried if Ukraine sinks Russian ships using US anti ship missiles. We have given the Ukrainians anti aircraft missiles to shoot down Russan aircraft and anti tank missiles to blow up Russian tanks and heavy artillery to blow up everything Russian, so what's the big deal about giving Ukraine anti ship missiles to sink Russian ships? Actually, breaking the Russian blockade would be a service to the whole world.
What a buffoon.Russia can in half a days time wipe Ukraine off the map.
Yer just plain retarded.Like Biden and his cabal.
 

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