US aircraft carriers in worst shape in decades

[Anathema]

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Private profit is the concept this nation was founded on. Public profit is what the Soviet Union was founded on. Enough said.

 

[WinterBorn]

Keep laughing as our capabilities degrade sufficiently that the blue helmed scum suddenly show up on our shores.

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Public profit? What is public profit? Someone taking the money (profit) that was produced by others through their hard work and creativity?

The greater Good, not merely selfish, capital profit motives.

Management does that all the time; and, insist we should be grateful there was no "corporate downsizing and our pensions got downsized as well".

Taking 30% of my paycheck is enough of my money towards the “greater Good”.

 

[Muhammed]

Makes you wonder where all the money the military gets actually goes? You could ask the Pentagon, but they don't know either.

It has nothing to do with money. Obama's extremely poor leadership is clearly at fault.

And it's going to take extremely good leadership by Trump to fix the problem. But it will take time. Soon after Trump took office he had to fire the SecNav and the Admiral of the 7th fleet because our missile cruisers kept running into very large objects that were damaging them, such as bigger ships and Japan, fer crissakes.

If naval vessels colliding with other ships was Obama's fault, why didn't they happen when Obama was President instead of Trump?

The string of collisions and other avoidable mishaps started while Obama was in office.

 

[danielpalos]

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Private profit is the concept this nation was founded on. Public profit is what the Soviet Union was founded on. Enough said.

You seem to miss the point; Congress has the Power to Tax, to solve the problems of our Republic; the right wing, finds nothing but problems.

 

[danielpalos]

Keep laughing as our capabilities degrade sufficiently that the blue helmed scum suddenly show up on our shores.

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Public profit? What is public profit? Someone taking the money (profit) that was produced by others through their hard work and creativity?

The greater Good, not merely selfish, capital profit motives.

Management does that all the time; and, insist we should be grateful there was no "corporate downsizing and our pensions got downsized as well".

Taking 30% of my paycheck is enough of my money towards the “greater Good”.

why is "infrastructure crumbling and military hardware obsolescent?"

 

[eagle1462010]

Keep laughing as our capabilities degrade sufficiently that the blue helmed scum suddenly show up on our shores.

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Public profit? What is public profit? Someone taking the money (profit) that was produced by others through their hard work and creativity?

The greater Good, not merely selfish, capital profit motives.

Management does that all the time; and, insist we should be grateful there was no "corporate downsizing and our pensions got downsized as well".

Taking 30% of my paycheck is enough of my money towards the “greater Good”.

why is "infrastructure crumbling and military hardware obsolescent?"

Military hardware isn't obsolete..........some of it is getting old and needs to be replaced.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Care to explain your right wing fantasy?

Very simple... a truly Isolationist Socuety. No people, information, materials or goods in or out of the country. At the same time maintaining a military force capable of defending our borders in depth and the capability to launch nuclear strikes on every other national capital on the planet on a moments notice.

If any nation, or the citizens of any nation try to stick their nose into our business, their capital ceases to exist.

You should learn about strategic resources found only in other countries.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think we can downsize them somewhat,... to me Navy isn't pursuing drone strike quickly enough. Very disappointed they turned good prototype into just a tanker. Could save some money by buying some D/E subs too instead of all nuke.

Ever ridden a D/E boat on the surface while recharging batteries?

Of course you haven't!

I have. Noisy as hell. But turn off those diesels and submerge and you are the quietest boat in the water.

You have? When and where? I am throwing the bullshit flag on that comment!

You can submerge and crawl along at speeds that most surface ships will easily outrun you, and then you will eventually have to recharge again, making you vulnerable near the surface. You know that aircraft can easily see you even when snorkeling, right?

In 1980 as part of ASW training missions before the USS Blueback was sent across the Pacific. My boat was in Newport News shipyards for refit and they were desperate for an SK (shortage of them in submarines in the early 1980s). The temporary duty gave me a leg up on my quals. And yes, they have to surface and turn on the diesels to recharge the batteries. But they can run 24 to 30 hours submerged (might be longer, its been a long time since I had to know that)

As for speed, the best way to hide is not going fast. In fact, higher speeds increase the chance of cavitation. My boat, the USS James Madison, was virtually undetectable when cruising low & slow. In fact, when we came out of the shipyards and went to sea trials, we were included in ASW training with the a surface fleet group. Ever participated in that? The sub has 3 colors of flares. Red for a hit on us. Green for a hit on the skimmers. And yellow when our position was requested. The training was cut short when we ran out of yellow flares. If you can find out who was the CO of the USS America in the mid 1980s, ask him about a polaroid pic he received in the mail. It was taken through the USS James Madison's periscope. We came to periscope depth directly behind the America and the Old Man took the pic, wrote "Gotcha" on it and mailed it to the CO of the America.

I wore dolphins and SWO water wings on my chest!

I also was an ASW evaluator and graduate of ASW school.

You dick doesn't measure up apprently.

 

[eagle1462010]

I think we can downsize them somewhat,... to me Navy isn't pursuing drone strike quickly enough. Very disappointed they turned good prototype into just a tanker. Could save some money by buying some D/E subs too instead of all nuke.

Ever ridden a D/E boat on the surface while recharging batteries?

Of course you haven't!

I have. Noisy as hell. But turn off those diesels and submerge and you are the quietest boat in the water.

You have? When and where? I am throwing the bullshit flag on that comment!

You can submerge and crawl along at speeds that most surface ships will easily outrun you, and then you will eventually have to recharge again, making you vulnerable near the surface. You know that aircraft can easily see you even when snorkeling, right?

In 1980 as part of ASW training missions before the USS Blueback was sent across the Pacific. My boat was in Newport News shipyards for refit and they were desperate for an SK (shortage of them in submarines in the early 1980s). The temporary duty gave me a leg up on my quals. And yes, they have to surface and turn on the diesels to recharge the batteries. But they can run 24 to 30 hours submerged (might be longer, its been a long time since I had to know that)

As for speed, the best way to hide is not going fast. In fact, higher speeds increase the chance of cavitation. My boat, the USS James Madison, was virtually undetectable when cruising low & slow. In fact, when we came out of the shipyards and went to sea trials, we were included in ASW training with the a surface fleet group. Ever participated in that? The sub has 3 colors of flares. Red for a hit on us. Green for a hit on the skimmers. And yellow when our position was requested. The training was cut short when we ran out of yellow flares. If you can find out who was the CO of the USS America in the mid 1980s, ask him about a polaroid pic he received in the mail. It was taken through the USS James Madison's periscope. We came to periscope depth directly behind the America and the Old Man took the pic, wrote "Gotcha" on it and mailed it to the CO of the America.

I wore dolphins and SWO water wings on my chest!

I also was an ASW evaluator and graduate of ASW school.

You dick doesn't measure up apprently.

My brother always told me about the bath tub effect way back when............Med.........said you could stick a sona buoy up a Russians sub's ass and still not know they were there.............

He flew p-3's.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I think we can downsize them somewhat,... to me Navy isn't pursuing drone strike quickly enough. Very disappointed they turned good prototype into just a tanker. Could save some money by buying some D/E subs too instead of all nuke.

Ever ridden a D/E boat on the surface while recharging batteries?

Of course you haven't!

I have. Noisy as hell. But turn off those diesels and submerge and you are the quietest boat in the water.

You have? When and where? I am throwing the bullshit flag on that comment!

You can submerge and crawl along at speeds that most surface ships will easily outrun you, and then you will eventually have to recharge again, making you vulnerable near the surface. You know that aircraft can easily see you even when snorkeling, right?

In 1980 as part of ASW training missions before the USS Blueback was sent across the Pacific. My boat was in Newport News shipyards for refit and they were desperate for an SK (shortage of them in submarines in the early 1980s). The temporary duty gave me a leg up on my quals. And yes, they have to surface and turn on the diesels to recharge the batteries. But they can run 24 to 30 hours submerged (might be longer, its been a long time since I had to know that)

Diesel subs haven't had to actually SURFACE to charge batteries in 60+ years.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Most of our conflicts are 3rd world countries .......pirates...........yes ....pirates......and moving equipment and men to War Zones...........not to mention humanitarian relief around the globe............2 LHD's were assigned to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands during the hurricanes that destroyed the areas.........while a Carrier Battlegroup was on station for relief in the Florida keys......................

One thing to note........it takes a month to get on station across the globe.........one month to get back..........meaning the cycle to remain on station only lasts 4 months requiring 3 battlegroups a year to be on station at any given time unless you extend deployments...........usually this cycle is both east and west coast so that is 6 battlegroups a year for normal operation.............

This has been supplemented by the Gator Navy...............with ships like the 8 LHD's........which carry a Marine Air group. with Harriers, Apaches, and other helicopters to the air wing.......................There are 4 on Each coast...............also LHA's ...........which have air wings assigned..........I believe we still have 8 of them.................

Those are big oceans..............if we maintain a constant presence over seas along with more War.............we got to keep the numbers the way they are............as most conflicts are low grade..............the equation for new warfare would really only come into play in a war with China or Russia...........

Old ships must eventually be moth balled and replaced to maintain current commitments..........

LHA's? 8 of them? Incorrect!

I don't know where you got the number 8, There is just 1! USS America (LHA-6). Notice the number 6, that is after they decommed all 5 Tarawa class LHAs.

My mistake......thought they'd built more.......have to check the web.............but there are 8 LHD's.........served on LHD-1 and actually helped build a little on LHD-4.

LHDs are not carriers as the fixed wing aircraft are a secondary mission.

 

[eagle1462010]

Most of our conflicts are 3rd world countries .......pirates...........yes ....pirates......and moving equipment and men to War Zones...........not to mention humanitarian relief around the globe............2 LHD's were assigned to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands during the hurricanes that destroyed the areas.........while a Carrier Battlegroup was on station for relief in the Florida keys......................

One thing to note........it takes a month to get on station across the globe.........one month to get back..........meaning the cycle to remain on station only lasts 4 months requiring 3 battlegroups a year to be on station at any given time unless you extend deployments...........usually this cycle is both east and west coast so that is 6 battlegroups a year for normal operation.............

This has been supplemented by the Gator Navy...............with ships like the 8 LHD's........which carry a Marine Air group. with Harriers, Apaches, and other helicopters to the air wing.......................There are 4 on Each coast...............also LHA's ...........which have air wings assigned..........I believe we still have 8 of them.................

Those are big oceans..............if we maintain a constant presence over seas along with more War.............we got to keep the numbers the way they are............as most conflicts are low grade..............the equation for new warfare would really only come into play in a war with China or Russia...........

Old ships must eventually be moth balled and replaced to maintain current commitments..........

LHA's? 8 of them? Incorrect!

I don't know where you got the number 8, There is just 1! USS America (LHA-6). Notice the number 6, that is after they decommed all 5 Tarawa class LHAs.

My mistake......thought they'd built more.......have to check the web.............but there are 8 LHD's.........served on LHD-1 and actually helped build a little on LHD-4.

LHDs are not carriers as the fixed wing aircraft are a secondary mission.

They still pack a punch..........and the Gator Navy does these rolls as well............I served on LHD-1.........last deployment was Somalia........at the time we had AV8's..............

While they are not an aircraft carrier........the big dogs.........they still can be used for presence without a carrier in the area..............My first ship was the Reeves..........stationed out of Yokosuka...........which is primarily a rapid response group for the region............I'm sure that is still the same as way back when...............We did tanker escort missions back in the day............didn't participate in the 1st Gulf War.......as we were hit by a 500 pounder off Diego by a Fa/18 off the Midway

 

[WinterBorn]

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Private profit is the concept this nation was founded on. Public profit is what the Soviet Union was founded on. Enough said.

You seem to miss the point; Congress has the Power to Tax, to solve the problems of our Republic; the right wing, finds nothing but problems.

So you want Congress to tax us into prosperity?

 

[WinterBorn]

I think we can downsize them somewhat,... to me Navy isn't pursuing drone strike quickly enough. Very disappointed they turned good prototype into just a tanker. Could save some money by buying some D/E subs too instead of all nuke.

Ever ridden a D/E boat on the surface while recharging batteries?

Of course you haven't!

I have. Noisy as hell. But turn off those diesels and submerge and you are the quietest boat in the water.

You have? When and where? I am throwing the bullshit flag on that comment!

You can submerge and crawl along at speeds that most surface ships will easily outrun you, and then you will eventually have to recharge again, making you vulnerable near the surface. You know that aircraft can easily see you even when snorkeling, right?

In 1980 as part of ASW training missions before the USS Blueback was sent across the Pacific. My boat was in Newport News shipyards for refit and they were desperate for an SK (shortage of them in submarines in the early 1980s). The temporary duty gave me a leg up on my quals. And yes, they have to surface and turn on the diesels to recharge the batteries. But they can run 24 to 30 hours submerged (might be longer, its been a long time since I had to know that)

As for speed, the best way to hide is not going fast. In fact, higher speeds increase the chance of cavitation. My boat, the USS James Madison, was virtually undetectable when cruising low & slow. In fact, when we came out of the shipyards and went to sea trials, we were included in ASW training with the a surface fleet group. Ever participated in that? The sub has 3 colors of flares. Red for a hit on us. Green for a hit on the skimmers. And yellow when our position was requested. The training was cut short when we ran out of yellow flares. If you can find out who was the CO of the USS America in the mid 1980s, ask him about a polaroid pic he received in the mail. It was taken through the USS James Madison's periscope. We came to periscope depth directly behind the America and the Old Man took the pic, wrote "Gotcha" on it and mailed it to the CO of the America.

I wore dolphins and SWO water wings on my chest!

I also was an ASW evaluator and graduate of ASW school.

You dick doesn't measure up apprently.

My dick is just fine. I wore my dolphins proudly, and made 6 patrols onboard the USS James Madison. I started the surface warfare training at my second command. No comparison to quals for submarine service. It was much easier. Then I decided not to make a career in the Navy and just enjoyed myself.

And the ASW might have had an easy time finding fast attack boats. But the boomers were a different breed.

 

[WinterBorn]

I think we can downsize them somewhat,... to me Navy isn't pursuing drone strike quickly enough. Very disappointed they turned good prototype into just a tanker. Could save some money by buying some D/E subs too instead of all nuke.

Ever ridden a D/E boat on the surface while recharging batteries?

Of course you haven't!

I have. Noisy as hell. But turn off those diesels and submerge and you are the quietest boat in the water.

You have? When and where? I am throwing the bullshit flag on that comment!

You can submerge and crawl along at speeds that most surface ships will easily outrun you, and then you will eventually have to recharge again, making you vulnerable near the surface. You know that aircraft can easily see you even when snorkeling, right?

In 1980 as part of ASW training missions before the USS Blueback was sent across the Pacific. My boat was in Newport News shipyards for refit and they were desperate for an SK (shortage of them in submarines in the early 1980s). The temporary duty gave me a leg up on my quals. And yes, they have to surface and turn on the diesels to recharge the batteries. But they can run 24 to 30 hours submerged (might be longer, its been a long time since I had to know that)

Diesel subs haven't had to actually SURFACE to charge batteries in 60+ years.

Yeah, they can run at periscope depth and charge the batteries. But they are easy to find when they are doing that. Mostly due to the noise of the diesels.

 

[Anathema]

You seem to miss the point; Congress has the Power to Tax, to solve the problems of our Republic; the right wing, finds nothing but problems.

What you miss is that the power to tax and spend is limited by the 18 specific listed in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution. Anything not specifically listed there is not a legitimate expenditure for the Federal Government. That would include Wekdare, Medicare, and about 85% of the Progressive Agenda.

 

[danielpalos]

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Private profit is the concept this nation was founded on. Public profit is what the Soviet Union was founded on. Enough said.

You seem to miss the point; Congress has the Power to Tax, to solve the problems of our Republic; the right wing, finds nothing but problems.

So you want Congress to tax us into prosperity?

Only lousy capitalists lose money on public policies.

 

[danielpalos]

You seem to miss the point; Congress has the Power to Tax, to solve the problems of our Republic; the right wing, finds nothing but problems.

What you miss is that the power to tax and spend is limited by the 18 specific listed in Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution. Anything not specifically listed there is not a legitimate expenditure for the Federal Government. That would include Wekdare, Medicare, and about 85% of the Progressive Agenda.

That Only applies to the Republicans; they can't do it.

 

[WinterBorn]

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Private profit is the concept this nation was founded on. Public profit is what the Soviet Union was founded on. Enough said.

You seem to miss the point; Congress has the Power to Tax, to solve the problems of our Republic; the right wing, finds nothing but problems.

So you want Congress to tax us into prosperity?

Only lousy capitalists lose money on public policies.

That depends on the public policies.

 

[danielpalos]

tax cut economics is doing that. yet, the right wing loves their "selfish desire for private profit over public profit for our Republic."

Private profit is the concept this nation was founded on. Public profit is what the Soviet Union was founded on. Enough said.

You seem to miss the point; Congress has the Power to Tax, to solve the problems of our Republic; the right wing, finds nothing but problems.

So you want Congress to tax us into prosperity?

Only lousy capitalists lose money on public policies.

That depends on the public policies.

There is no power to provide for the general warfare or the common offense. Why does the right wing, blame the Poor? There is a Power to Provide for the general welfare.