I would rather say that those Southerners were Democrats. And they were doing everything to prevent Republican influence in South.
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I would rather say that those Southerners were Democrats. And they were doing everything to prevent Republican influence in South.
Actually it's not. Most racist republicans used to be Democrats. Thurmond, Lott, Helms, Trump,
Nape. It doesn't. It means you're taking no position and are equally "open" (or noncommittal) either way. It means you're equally open to State X having no slavery as you are to State Y having it.
You're still mired in Binary Land, where everything must be a one or a zero. The world doesn't work like that.
Those of us old enough to actually remember know that they were doing everything to prevent Liberalism in the South.
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You try and make it Democrat vs Republican. Every politician in the South voted against it.
They were doing everything to prevent Northern influence in the South.
I pointed out when you did in this thread, again and again. If you managed to not see when I did it then, what point is there in you requesting me to show you again?
Oh, is this more of those weird troll games you've been playing?
Whatever. I don't care about your games.
THe point remains.
When you hold that one race is inferior to another, such as not deserving the same treatment as all other races, and groups,
then you are racist against that group.
As you have demonstrated by holding Whites to a higher standard, then any other group.
You are a racist.
I'll address it, if I can get past the orgy of endless and pointless self-inflating carriage returns.........
The "dems [sic]" didn't "flip" on the issue unless you're referring to what other wanker posters insist on referring to as the "party switch", that period of the turn of the 19th/20th century when the two party largely and gradually traded (rather than "switched") their constituencies, That's when the Southern faction, already the redheaded stepchild in the party, began to lose its grip. That crack in effect began in 1936 when FDR, at the height of his power and influence, got the party convention rules changed for Presidential nomination from a two-thirds majority to a simple 51% majority. Under the previous rules the South was able to hold the convention hostage --- as it infamously did in 1924 --- in resisting liberal civil rights-friendly candidates, by denying that two-thirds threshold.
The Ku Klux Klan was doing its part too, a few years earlier in 1928 when it endorsed Herbert Hoover and ran a national smear campaign against Al Smith (because he was a Catholic), as seen here:
Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas going from blue to red, and Alabama weak. The VP on the ticket was from Arkansas or it might have been worse for them. No doubt Roosevelt could smell the blood in the water.
In the first election year after WW2 had run its course, that Southern contingent, in an echo of 1860 Charleston, walked out of the convention upon hearing too much about "civil rights" from the incumbent Truman and the young mayor of Minneapolis Hubert Humphrey, and went to run their own campaign, even getting Truman kicked off the Democratic ballot where they could (in return Thurmond was kicked off his ballot when he then tried to run for Senator, ran as a write-in with no party, and won anyway).
1920s... 1930s... 1940s,
So those seeds were sown decades before the 1960s, during which time the South had been hanging on as the way-out right wing of the party, opposed to the thrust of the national party but loathe to join the "party of Lincoln", until the same renegade from 1948, Thurmond, took the plunge in 1964 So this is not a party "flipping' --- it's a batshit wing of a party flipping upon facing the reality that they'd been sitting in the wrong room and it was not going to get them anywhere.
Summa y'all still have yet to grok the distinction between ideologies and political parties.
That would be interesting historical detail on the process, if you had not so torpedoed your credibility that I can't trust anything you say.
Also, the republican party never wavered in it's support of equality and civil rights. The southern voters that more and more voted Republican were always the pro-civil rights voters of the South, until long after the issue had become politically moot.
It quiteFew people my ass. Whole communities fought against integration
Here they are screaming at a six year old black girl
A six year old black girl who needed federal marshals to protect her while she goes to a white school
All racist Jim Crow laws in south were passed by Democratic legislators, signed by Democratic Governors and upheld by Democratic judges. You lefties cant blame anyone else for that, but yourself. You own it.
There were Republicans in southern states too.
They supported Jim Crow
It is a southern thing
Until suddenly, it wasn't. The ground was shifting under the facade of control for a long time, and went they dem racists lost power, it was swept away and was gone.
Who established those "peculiar institutions" if Republicans had no power in South?
Helms? He joined Republicans 5 years after CRA, so you can't really use him as example of "switch".
Trump? You haven't been calling him a racist until he decided to run against Democrats. Si, if he was racist, why did you keep in in Democratic party so long?
Right... because racists never left Democratic party. They just stayed quiet, and became "mentors" to rest of you. You lefties had quite a lot to learn from them. Great job.
Oh, it's everyone fault. Just like... America did slavery, right?
No, some Americans, primarily Democrats supported and fought for slavery, and some Americans (primarily Republicans) opposed slavery and fought to end it. You're still on side of those who supported it, and on side of those who enforced segregation, and lynching, and KKK... you own it.
I'll address it, if I can get past the orgy of endless and pointless self-inflating carriage returns.........
The "dems [sic]" didn't "flip" on the issue unless you're referring to what other wanker posters insist on referring to as the "party switch", that period of the turn of the 19th/20th century when the two party largely and gradually traded (rather than "switched") their constituencies, That's when the Southern faction, already the redheaded stepchild in the party, began to lose its grip. That crack in effect began in 1936 when FDR, at the height of his power and influence, got the party convention rules changed for Presidential nomination from a two-thirds majority to a simple 51% majority. Under the previous rules the South was able to hold the convention hostage --- as it infamously did in 1924 --- in resisting liberal civil rights-friendly candidates, by denying that two-thirds threshold.
The Ku Klux Klan was doing its part too, a few years earlier in 1928 when it endorsed Herbert Hoover and ran a national smear campaign against Al Smith (because he was a Catholic), as seen here:
Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas going from blue to red, and Alabama weak. The VP on the ticket was from Arkansas or it might have been worse for them. No doubt Roosevelt could smell the blood in the water.
In the first election year after WW2 had run its course, that Southern contingent, in an echo of 1860 Charleston, walked out of the convention upon hearing too much about "civil rights" from the incumbent Truman and the young mayor of Minneapolis Hubert Humphrey, and went to run their own campaign, even getting Truman kicked off the Democratic ballot where they could (in return Thurmond was kicked off his ballot when he then tried to run for Senator, ran as a write-in with no party, and won anyway).
1920s... 1930s... 1940s,
So those seeds were sown decades before the 1960s, during which time the South had been hanging on as the way-out right wing of the party, opposed to the thrust of the national party but loathe to join the "party of Lincoln", until the same renegade from 1948, Thurmond, took the plunge in 1964 So this is not a party "flipping' --- it's a batshit wing of a party flipping upon facing the reality that they'd been sitting in the wrong room and it was not going to get them anywhere.
Summa y'all still have yet to grok the distinction between ideologies and political parties.
That would be interesting historical detail on the process, if you had not so torpedoed your credibility that I can't trust anything you say.
Also, the republican [sic] party never wavered in it's [sic] support of equality and civil rights. The southern voters that more and more voted Republican were always the pro-civil rights voters of the South, until long after the issue had become politically moot.
Again --- the numbers prove you wrong. See post 1279.
Nnnnno Tweedles, you cut and pasted the same ipse dixit shit again expecting it to stick to the wall. Again I've posted *NOTHING* --- no thing -- about holding whites, or any other race to any different standard at all, and the fact that you can't show it leaves your point exploded on its launchpad.
Merchants. Specifically, slave traders.
Again, there's nothing "political" about that. Nothing honorable either but certainly nothing political. Again, political parties didn't even exist, not even the first ones, for 250 years after they started bringing Africans here.
When was Rump "in in Democratic Party"? When was he dabbling in politics at all? 2000, with Ross Perot's Reform Party.
That's it.
You remember 2000? When he declared he didn't want anything to do with David Dooky, sixteen years before his 'very good brain' somehow "forgot" who he is?
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It was all part of the south’s “peculiar institution”It quiteFew people my ass. Whole communities fought against integration
Here they are screaming at a six year old black girl
A six year old black girl who needed federal marshals to protect her while she goes to a white school
All racist Jim Crow laws in south were passed by Democratic legislators, signed by Democratic Governors and upheld by Democratic judges. You lefties cant blame anyone else for that, but yourself. You own it.
There were Republicans in southern states too.
They supported Jim Crow
It is a southern thing
Until suddenly, it wasn't. The ground was shifting under the facade of control for a long time, and went they dem racists lost power, it was swept away and was gone.
That institution not only dictated that blacks were inferior but they were somehow dirty and were not allowed to eat, sleep, use restrooms, swim, watch movies or sit next to whites. They even had separate libraries because white southerners would not read a book that a black person had red.
Those beliefs had existed for centuries and had nothing to do with the Democratic Party
It was all part of the south’s “peculiar institution”It quiteFew people my ass. Whole communities fought against integration
Here they are screaming at a six year old black girl
A six year old black girl who needed federal marshals to protect her while she goes to a white school
All racist Jim Crow laws in south were passed by Democratic legislators, signed by Democratic Governors and upheld by Democratic judges. You lefties cant blame anyone else for that, but yourself. You own it.
There were Republicans in southern states too.
They supported Jim Crow
It is a southern thing
Until suddenly, it wasn't. The ground was shifting under the facade of control for a long time, and went they dem racists lost power, it was swept away and was gone.
That institution not only dictated that blacks were inferior but they were somehow dirty and were not allowed to eat, sleep, use restrooms, swim, watch movies or sit next to whites. They even had separate libraries because white southerners would not read a book that a black person had red.
Those beliefs had existed for centuries and had nothing to do with the Democratic Party
Matter of fact, related to this is why I never use the term "cover version" in music, or say that such-and-such artist "covered" some previous song, unless it actually is a cover. A "cover" version means a Pat Boone records a Little Richard song so that white record buyers might be spared the degradation of having to buy a record made by a black man. And that was in NO way limited to the South. And certainly not to freaking political parties.
Hell mainstream television wouldn't even show an interracial kiss until 1968 and even then it had to be "forced by aliens".
I'll address it, if I can get past the orgy of endless and pointless self-inflating carriage returns.........
The "dems [sic]" didn't "flip" on the issue unless you're referring to what other wanker posters insist on referring to as the "party switch", that period of the turn of the 19th/20th century when the two party largely and gradually traded (rather than "switched") their constituencies, That's when the Southern faction, already the redheaded stepchild in the party, began to lose its grip. That crack in effect began in 1936 when FDR, at the height of his power and influence, got the party convention rules changed for Presidential nomination from a two-thirds majority to a simple 51% majority. Under the previous rules the South was able to hold the convention hostage --- as it infamously did in 1924 --- in resisting liberal civil rights-friendly candidates, by denying that two-thirds threshold.
The Ku Klux Klan was doing its part too, a few years earlier in 1928 when it endorsed Herbert Hoover and ran a national smear campaign against Al Smith (because he was a Catholic), as seen here:
Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and Texas going from blue to red, and Alabama weak. The VP on the ticket was from Arkansas or it might have been worse for them. No doubt Roosevelt could smell the blood in the water.
In the first election year after WW2 had run its course, that Southern contingent, in an echo of 1860 Charleston, walked out of the convention upon hearing too much about "civil rights" from the incumbent Truman and the young mayor of Minneapolis Hubert Humphrey, and went to run their own campaign, even getting Truman kicked off the Democratic ballot where they could (in return Thurmond was kicked off his ballot when he then tried to run for Senator, ran as a write-in with no party, and won anyway).
1920s... 1930s... 1940s,
So those seeds were sown decades before the 1960s, during which time the South had been hanging on as the way-out right wing of the party, opposed to the thrust of the national party but loathe to join the "party of Lincoln", until the same renegade from 1948, Thurmond, took the plunge in 1964 So this is not a party "flipping' --- it's a batshit wing of a party flipping upon facing the reality that they'd been sitting in the wrong room and it was not going to get them anywhere.
Summa y'all still have yet to grok the distinction between ideologies and political parties.
That would be interesting historical detail on the process, if you had not so torpedoed your credibility that I can't trust anything you say.
Also, the republican [sic] party never wavered in it's [sic] support of equality and civil rights. The southern voters that more and more voted Republican were always the pro-civil rights voters of the South, until long after the issue had become politically moot.
Again --- the numbers prove you wrong. See post 1279.
I make a comment about the broad trends of the nation and the parties over time and you post the vote count from a single bill, without context or even stated reasons as though that refutes it?
Consider your silliness noted and dismissed.
My point stands.
That would be interesting historical detail on the process, if you had not so torpedoed your credibility that I can't trust anything you say.
Also, the republican [sic] party never wavered in it's [sic] support of equality and civil rights. The southern voters that more and more voted Republican were always the pro-civil rights voters of the South, until long after the issue had become politically moot.
Yeah, I never said you SAID it, you moron, I pointed out that that is what your ACTIONS were DOING.
How many times you going to pretend to be too stupid to understand words?
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