Unity is dead

[Ringel05]

Is MS responsible for the failure of Linux on desktops?

Linux has failed on desktops? Really? Guess that's why Linux has grown from barely 2% of the market share to 5% of the market share...... Sounds like failure to me......

5% now? Really? What a fantastic success!!

Was waiting for that pathetic response...... Funny how I knew it was coming. Another deflection or just plain biased stupidity?

 

[Iceweasel]

We are talking about DOS now, aren´t we? However, Windows has always been a good system with minor issues. That Windows produces bluescreens every few minutes is simply nonsense.

Hahahaha....once again you show your ass Blie.
You have no idea, you wasn't around back then. I was. I was a Sys Admin for a large company in the mid 90's to 2001. I dealt with the excruciating pain of having to deal with NT servers and their inexplicable inability to maintain anything but abysmal uptimes.
We had numerous *nix servers with uptimes measured in YEARS Blie - YEARS. There was never an NT server that could survive maybe, if all it was was a file server, a month without needing restarted and often restored from back up. I can honestly say that the failed and miserable MacOSX servers were better than NT Servers.
Nothing even came close to the reliability and uptimes of *nix servers....nothing.

So why do companies and people buy Windows, then?

You already know that answer.
Ask any 1000 people why don't they use Linux and you would get the same look if you asked them to explain nuclear fission.
Take those same 1000 people and install and configure Linux Mint on their home computer and virtually all of them would ask why doesn't every computer come with this.
And that is the truth.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Yeah because clicking on a link is so foreign to PC users, wtf? They install themselves. No, they aren't gaming machines but programs are updated regularly in supported distros. Open source software usually comes out on Linux first, not last.

 

[Bleipriester]

Hahahaha....once again you show your ass Blie.
You have no idea, you wasn't around back then. I was. I was a Sys Admin for a large company in the mid 90's to 2001. I dealt with the excruciating pain of having to deal with NT servers and their inexplicable inability to maintain anything but abysmal uptimes.
We had numerous *nix servers with uptimes measured in YEARS Blie - YEARS. There was never an NT server that could survive maybe, if all it was was a file server, a month without needing restarted and often restored from back up. I can honestly say that the failed and miserable MacOSX servers were better than NT Servers.
Nothing even came close to the reliability and uptimes of *nix servers....nothing.

So why do companies and people buy Windows, then?

You already know that answer.
Ask any 1000 people why don't they use Linux and you would get the same look if you asked them to explain nuclear fission.
Take those same 1000 people and install and configure Linux Mint on their home computer and virtually all of them would ask why doesn't every computer come with this.
And that is the truth.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

People prefer to click on setup to install a program.

 

[Bleipriester]

Is MS responsible for the failure of Linux on desktops?

Linux has failed on desktops? Really? Guess that's why Linux has grown from barely 2% of the market share to 5% of the market share...... Sounds like failure to me......

5% now? Really? What a fantastic success!!

Was waiting for that pathetic response...... Funny how I knew it was coming. Another deflection or just plain biased stupidity?

5% = below any relevance.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

People prefer to click on setup to install a program.

Yes and keep clicking OK at every prompt and then wonder how their home page got switched and why does their browser now have 3 inches of crap at the top.
And besides that, most programs in Mint ETc. are in a repository that all you have to do is click install....and wow...nothing else installs with it!!!....unbelievable!

 

[Iceweasel]

People prefer to click on setup to install a program.

It needs to say setup instead of install?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Hahahaha....once again you show your ass Blie.
You have no idea, you wasn't around back then. I was. I was a Sys Admin for a large company in the mid 90's to 2001. I dealt with the excruciating pain of having to deal with NT servers and their inexplicable inability to maintain anything but abysmal uptimes.
We had numerous *nix servers with uptimes measured in YEARS Blie - YEARS. There was never an NT server that could survive maybe, if all it was was a file server, a month without needing restarted and often restored from back up. I can honestly say that the failed and miserable MacOSX servers were better than NT Servers.
Nothing even came close to the reliability and uptimes of *nix servers....nothing.

So why do companies and people buy Windows, then?

You already know that answer.
Ask any 1000 people why don't they use Linux and you would get the same look if you asked them to explain nuclear fission.
Take those same 1000 people and install and configure Linux Mint on their home computer and virtually all of them would ask why doesn't every computer come with this.
And that is the truth.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

Not really, I have seen this (guy?) do this before. Couldn't do this...couldn't do that...everything at every turn was impossible...I don't buy it.
Most people I turned on to Linux, I installed their system and setup the codecs etc (which is all done for you also when buying a WinPC) liked it a lot, probably half like you went back, and half of them did so because they bought a new computer. Others because they couldn't download Casino games or some other game they want to play. But I have never heard anyone ever say they went back to Windows because they don't like Linux. But because it can't play an app they want to.

 

[Ringel05]

So why do companies and people buy Windows, then?

You already know that answer.
Ask any 1000 people why don't they use Linux and you would get the same look if you asked them to explain nuclear fission.
Take those same 1000 people and install and configure Linux Mint on their home computer and virtually all of them would ask why doesn't every computer come with this.
And that is the truth.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

People prefer to click on setup to install a program.

Funny, that's what I do with Ubuntu and Mint now......... but yes that is true.

 

[Ringel05]

So why do companies and people buy Windows, then?

You already know that answer.
Ask any 1000 people why don't they use Linux and you would get the same look if you asked them to explain nuclear fission.
Take those same 1000 people and install and configure Linux Mint on their home computer and virtually all of them would ask why doesn't every computer come with this.
And that is the truth.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

Not really, I have seen this (guy?) do this before. Couldn't do this...couldn't do that...everything at every turn was impossible...I don't buy it.
Most people I turned on to Linux, I installed their system and setup the codecs etc (which is all done for you also when buying a WinPC) liked it a lot, probably half like you went back, and half of them did so because they bought a new computer. Others because they couldn't download Casino games or some other game they want to play. But I have never heard anyone ever say they went back to Windows because they don't like Linux. But because it can't play an app they want to.

Uummmmm, that was what I was saying.........

 

[Ringel05]

Is MS responsible for the failure of Linux on desktops?

Linux has failed on desktops? Really? Guess that's why Linux has grown from barely 2% of the market share to 5% of the market share...... Sounds like failure to me......

5% now? Really? What a fantastic success!!

Was waiting for that pathetic response...... Funny how I knew it was coming. Another deflection or just plain biased stupidity?

5% = below any relevance.

Careful, your biased stupidity is showing....... Never took any business, hell considering your extensive ignorance level how are you able to type let alone think?
A 3% increase in market share is not a sign of a failed product regardless of what it's current overall market share is now.......

 

[Montrovant]

So why do companies and people buy Windows, then?

You already know that answer.
Ask any 1000 people why don't they use Linux and you would get the same look if you asked them to explain nuclear fission.
Take those same 1000 people and install and configure Linux Mint on their home computer and virtually all of them would ask why doesn't every computer come with this.
And that is the truth.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

Not really, I have seen this (guy?) do this before. Couldn't do this...couldn't do that...everything at every turn was impossible...I don't buy it.
Most people I turned on to Linux, I installed their system and setup the codecs etc (which is all done for you also when buying a WinPC) liked it a lot, probably half like you went back, and half of them did so because they bought a new computer. Others because they couldn't download Casino games or some other game they want to play. But I have never heard anyone ever say they went back to Windows because they don't like Linux. But because it can't play an app they want to.

I have had issues with Mint networking on multiple occasions. The issue was networking between Windows PCs and Linux PCs. Figuring out how to get it working properly was something that I am confident many PC users would not have been willing or able to deal with. I've had the same sorts of issues trying to get games to play on Linux. In the past week I've found videos that would not play on VLC on Linux, but played fine on VLC on Windows.

Linux does not have the support Windows does, it is not a type of OS most people are used to, so it is not as easy to use for most beginners.

 

[Ringel05]

You already know that answer.
Ask any 1000 people why don't they use Linux and you would get the same look if you asked them to explain nuclear fission.
Take those same 1000 people and install and configure Linux Mint on their home computer and virtually all of them would ask why doesn't every computer come with this.
And that is the truth.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

Not really, I have seen this (guy?) do this before. Couldn't do this...couldn't do that...everything at every turn was impossible...I don't buy it.
Most people I turned on to Linux, I installed their system and setup the codecs etc (which is all done for you also when buying a WinPC) liked it a lot, probably half like you went back, and half of them did so because they bought a new computer. Others because they couldn't download Casino games or some other game they want to play. But I have never heard anyone ever say they went back to Windows because they don't like Linux. But because it can't play an app they want to.

I have had issues with Mint networking on multiple occasions. The issue was networking between Windows PCs and Linux PCs. Figuring out how to get it working properly was something that I am confident many PC users would not have been willing or able to deal with. I've had the same sorts of issues trying to get games to play on Linux. In the past week I've found videos that would not play on VLC on Linux, but played fine on VLC on Windows.

Linux does not have the support Windows does, it is not a type of OS most people are used to, so it is not as easy to use for most beginners.

True however most users don't even know what networking computers means let alone how to do it. I've had the opposite media playback issue just last week where a movie video would not work on Windows no matter which player I used but played flawlessly on VLC on the Mint machine.
As for games most users aren't gamers per se, they play what's available on the computer but don't go out and buy high end games, that's reserved for about a third of all users to one degree or another.

 

[Montrovant]

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

Not really, I have seen this (guy?) do this before. Couldn't do this...couldn't do that...everything at every turn was impossible...I don't buy it.
Most people I turned on to Linux, I installed their system and setup the codecs etc (which is all done for you also when buying a WinPC) liked it a lot, probably half like you went back, and half of them did so because they bought a new computer. Others because they couldn't download Casino games or some other game they want to play. But I have never heard anyone ever say they went back to Windows because they don't like Linux. But because it can't play an app they want to.

I have had issues with Mint networking on multiple occasions. The issue was networking between Windows PCs and Linux PCs. Figuring out how to get it working properly was something that I am confident many PC users would not have been willing or able to deal with. I've had the same sorts of issues trying to get games to play on Linux. In the past week I've found videos that would not play on VLC on Linux, but played fine on VLC on Windows.

Linux does not have the support Windows does, it is not a type of OS most people are used to, so it is not as easy to use for most beginners.

True however most users don't even know what networking computers means let alone how to do it. I've had the opposite media playback issue just last week where a movie video would not work on Windows no matter which player I used but played flawlessly on VLC on the Mint machine.
As for games most users aren't gamers per se, they play what's available on the computer but don't go out and buy high end games, that's reserved for about a third of all users to one degree or another.

I would guess that for most people, a Linux distro like Mint would be as good as, or even better than, Windows 90% of the time. It's that other 10% that would keep people from wanting to switch.

A lot of people wouldn't have the first idea what to do with a Windows problem, which often has a larger, more well-established support system behind it. Asking a casual user to figure out how to fix a Linux issue, which might involve multiple sources giving different advice involving command line input, or dealing with a file system set up differently than they are used to, is more than I think most people are willing to do in their PC.

If Linux got more support from software companies, or if the various OSs had a more structured support system, more people might be willing to try.

I don't know what the issue has been with videos not playing in VLC on Linux. I can only assume some sort of codex that I have on the Windows machine/boot is not on the Linux.

I don't think Linux makes for a lesser OS, I just think Windows has such a massive amount of resources and is so widely used that it has inherent advantages that are hard for Linux to overcome. Even the fact that Linux distros are free may be a disadvantage; people probably don't trust a free OS, assuming it can't be as good and easy to use because it doesn't have the money behind it.

I'd be thrilled for companies to support Linux more. It's just a difficult market to break into IMO.

 

[deanrd]

Unity is dead

Not really. Republicans are unified with Russia.

 

[Ringel05]

Unity is dead

Not really. Republicans are unified with Russia.

Ya can't fix stupid....... You have a whole big forum to shit in, must you do it here also?

 

[Bleipriester]

Is MS responsible for the failure of Linux on desktops?

Linux has failed on desktops? Really? Guess that's why Linux has grown from barely 2% of the market share to 5% of the market share...... Sounds like failure to me......

5% now? Really? What a fantastic success!!

Was waiting for that pathetic response...... Funny how I knew it was coming. Another deflection or just plain biased stupidity?

5% = below any relevance.

Careful, your biased stupidity is showing....... Never took any business, hell considering your extensive ignorance level how are you able to type let alone think?
A 3% increase in market share is not a sign of a failed product regardless of what it's current overall market share is now.......

The Linux market share on desktops is 1,7 % (Juni 2017), bigfoot.

 

[Bleipriester]

Unity is dead

Not really. Republicans are unified with Russia.

Ya can't fix stupid....... You have a whole big forum to shit in, must you do it here also?

Leave them their Russian paranoia. And remember: If your crap doesn´t work, it isn´t Linx, its the Russians!

 

[Bleipriester]

You already know that answer.
Ask any 1000 people why don't they use Linux and you would get the same look if you asked them to explain nuclear fission.
Take those same 1000 people and install and configure Linux Mint on their home computer and virtually all of them would ask why doesn't every computer come with this.
And that is the truth.

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true at all. I use Mint, and I know for certain that some of the things I've had to do, the information I've spent lots of time trying to look up, that many people would be unwilling to do. Networking can be a pain, common programs aren't always as up to date (VLC, for example, sometimes will not play videos in Mint that it will play in Win7), and for anyone who likes to play PC games, Linux just isn't a good option.

Now, that isn't necessarily an issue with Linux per se. If there were more support for Linux, it would be different. As it stands, though, I don't think your average PC user would be happy with ever having to use command line. Your average user would have no idea how to install programs in Linux, and probably wouldn't want to have to learn a new way of doing things. Given time and more familiarity, again, things would be different, but for now, I think the average PC user would end up unhappy with Linux.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

People prefer to click on setup to install a program.

Funny, that's what I do with Ubuntu and Mint now......... but yes that is true.

There is a Software Manager or whatever it is called. What´s not included, needs extraordinary efforts to be installed. Even Android, a mobile OS, offers more comfort in this regard.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Linux has failed on desktops? Really? Guess that's why Linux has grown from barely 2% of the market share to 5% of the market share...... Sounds like failure to me......

5% now? Really? What a fantastic success!!

Was waiting for that pathetic response...... Funny how I knew it was coming. Another deflection or just plain biased stupidity?

5% = below any relevance.

Careful, your biased stupidity is showing....... Never took any business, hell considering your extensive ignorance level how are you able to type let alone think?
A 3% increase in market share is not a sign of a failed product regardless of what it's current overall market share is now.......

The Linux market share on desktops is 1,7 % (Juni 2017), bigfoot.

Really? You ever hear of rinse and repeat? You do it well.
Networking is easy to do with any computer, Linux included. In fact Mint connects to your network for you before you even install it....so..again...your little stories fail.
We have heard you before lament on the horrors of Linux and it just doesn't pass the smell test.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

Not really, I have seen this (guy?) do this before. Couldn't do this...couldn't do that...everything at every turn was impossible...I don't buy it.
Most people I turned on to Linux, I installed their system and setup the codecs etc (which is all done for you also when buying a WinPC) liked it a lot, probably half like you went back, and half of them did so because they bought a new computer. Others because they couldn't download Casino games or some other game they want to play. But I have never heard anyone ever say they went back to Windows because they don't like Linux. But because it can't play an app they want to.

I have had issues with Mint networking on multiple occasions. The issue was networking between Windows PCs and Linux PCs. Figuring out how to get it working properly was something that I am confident many PC users would not have been willing or able to deal with. I've had the same sorts of issues trying to get games to play on Linux. In the past week I've found videos that would not play on VLC on Linux, but played fine on VLC on Windows.

Linux does not have the support Windows does, it is not a type of OS most people are used to, so it is not as easy to use for most beginners.

True however most users don't even know what networking computers means let alone how to do it. I've had the opposite media playback issue just last week where a movie video would not work on Windows no matter which player I used but played flawlessly on VLC on the Mint machine.
As for games most users aren't gamers per se, they play what's available on the computer but don't go out and buy high end games, that's reserved for about a third of all users to one degree or another.

I would guess that for most people, a Linux distro like Mint would be as good as, or even better than, Windows 90% of the time. It's that other 10% that would keep people from wanting to switch.

A lot of people wouldn't have the first idea what to do with a Windows problem, which often has a larger, more well-established support system behind it. Asking a casual user to figure out how to fix a Linux issue, which might involve multiple sources giving different advice involving command line input, or dealing with a file system set up differently than they are used to, is more than I think most people are willing to do in their PC.

If Linux got more support from software companies, or if the various OSs had a more structured support system, more people might be willing to try.

I don't know what the issue has been with videos not playing in VLC on Linux. I can only assume some sort of codex that I have on the Windows machine/boot is not on the Linux.

I don't think Linux makes for a lesser OS, I just think Windows has such a massive amount of resources and is so widely used that it has inherent advantages that are hard for Linux to overcome. Even the fact that Linux distros are free may be a disadvantage; people probably don't trust a free OS, assuming it can't be as good and easy to use because it doesn't have the money behind it.

I'd be thrilled for companies to support Linux more. It's just a difficult market to break into IMO.

What you call support, I call a ripoff. Geek squad etc....have a software problem?...restore...that will be $75 please. And I advise you to buy McAfee Virus protection for $125 a year....it's a deal!

 

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5% now? Really? What a fantastic success!!

Was waiting for that pathetic response...... Funny how I knew it was coming. Another deflection or just plain biased stupidity?

5% = below any relevance.

Careful, your biased stupidity is showing....... Never took any business, hell considering your extensive ignorance level how are you able to type let alone think?
A 3% increase in market share is not a sign of a failed product regardless of what it's current overall market share is now.......

The Linux market share on desktops is 1,7 % (Juni 2017), bigfoot.

He is a relatively "new" Linux and has had some of the problems faced by many new users. Hell I didn't know how to install new programs that were not in the repository until years after I started using Linux. Much of the issue there is knowledge of not only the operating system but the packages included. More than half the people I've turned on to Linux went back to Windows for one reason or another, it's to be expected. You're just being defensive now.

Not really, I have seen this (guy?) do this before. Couldn't do this...couldn't do that...everything at every turn was impossible...I don't buy it.
Most people I turned on to Linux, I installed their system and setup the codecs etc (which is all done for you also when buying a WinPC) liked it a lot, probably half like you went back, and half of them did so because they bought a new computer. Others because they couldn't download Casino games or some other game they want to play. But I have never heard anyone ever say they went back to Windows because they don't like Linux. But because it can't play an app they want to.

I have had issues with Mint networking on multiple occasions. The issue was networking between Windows PCs and Linux PCs. Figuring out how to get it working properly was something that I am confident many PC users would not have been willing or able to deal with. I've had the same sorts of issues trying to get games to play on Linux. In the past week I've found videos that would not play on VLC on Linux, but played fine on VLC on Windows.

Linux does not have the support Windows does, it is not a type of OS most people are used to, so it is not as easy to use for most beginners.

True however most users don't even know what networking computers means let alone how to do it. I've had the opposite media playback issue just last week where a movie video would not work on Windows no matter which player I used but played flawlessly on VLC on the Mint machine.
As for games most users aren't gamers per se, they play what's available on the computer but don't go out and buy high end games, that's reserved for about a third of all users to one degree or another.

I would guess that for most people, a Linux distro like Mint would be as good as, or even better than, Windows 90% of the time. It's that other 10% that would keep people from wanting to switch.

A lot of people wouldn't have the first idea what to do with a Windows problem, which often has a larger, more well-established support system behind it. Asking a casual user to figure out how to fix a Linux issue, which might involve multiple sources giving different advice involving command line input, or dealing with a file system set up differently than they are used to, is more than I think most people are willing to do in their PC.

If Linux got more support from software companies, or if the various OSs had a more structured support system, more people might be willing to try.

I don't know what the issue has been with videos not playing in VLC on Linux. I can only assume some sort of codex that I have on the Windows machine/boot is not on the Linux.

I don't think Linux makes for a lesser OS, I just think Windows has such a massive amount of resources and is so widely used that it has inherent advantages that are hard for Linux to overcome. Even the fact that Linux distros are free may be a disadvantage; people probably don't trust a free OS, assuming it can't be as good and easy to use because it doesn't have the money behind it.

I'd be thrilled for companies to support Linux more. It's just a difficult market to break into IMO.

What you call support, I call a ripoff. Geek squad etc....have a software problem?...restore...that will be $75 please. And I advise you to buy McAfee Virus protection for $125 a year....it's a deal!

I think he meant that companies don´t release Linux versions of their software products. If we look at mobile devices, it is the other way round, although not that bad.