United States Imperialism

[Deadstick]

Unfortunately you are a right wing conspiracy nut. Where do you get that from in UK- i've been wondering about the brexit thing. The more ignorant they were about refugees and the EU, the more reliable they were to vote for Brexit.

Me rightwing you know nothing, i am a socialist and supported Labour when Corbyn was leader, and i voted to stay in the EU on the grounds of i thought it best for the economy.

 

[Deadstick]

So what do you think about the crap propaganda that led to brexit and do you think Tories are lying scumbags? I should be a dual citizen of UK. My father joined brit army before Pearl Harbour. Met essex nurse....I learned to speak English and drive in UK . QE, QM 3 times each, 3 Saxonia class, and Columbia 1913 lol...Gt Yeldham and Cambridge, Fuengirola Expat

Yes the Tories are lying scumbags and these days under Starmer many Labour MPs are, and by the way good on your Dad for joining the British army, my Dad also served in the War, what you need to do is remind yourself who and what they were fighting against.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Reagan supported (and more) his pal Saddam in the Iran Iraq War, Also supported scumbag dictators genocidal repression in several central American countries....Dulles, Kissinger, Rumsfeld, Cheney- lying scumbag fascist swine under big smile out of touchers like Reagan and W Booosh- incompetent fools...

The US supported both sides in the Iran/Iraq war. Iran was and is our enemy. We would have been fully justified by international law for going to war with them for the invasion of our embassy. Embassies are Sovreign territory, territorial enclaves that are legally part of the owning country, NOT the host country. We played both sides against each other, to keep both weak and divided so they were no threat to anyone else in the Middle East. Look at what happened when we stopped distracting them. Iran became the most prolific sponser of terrorism, far outdoing Ghaddafi and Iraq started invading its neighbors.

 

[Deadstick]

The US supported both sides in the Iran/Iraq war. Iran was and is our enemy. We would have been fully justified by international law for going to war with them for the invasion of our embassy. Embassies are Sovreign territory, territorial enclaves that are legally part of the owning country, NOT the host country. We played both sides against each other, to keep both weak and divided so they were no threat to anyone else in the Middle East. Look at what happened when we stopped distracting them. Iran became the most prolific sponser of terrorism, far outdoing Ghaddafi and Iraq started invading its neighbors.

What terrorism did Iran sponsor?

 

[francoHFW]

Yes the Tories are lying scumbags and these days under Starmer many Labour MPs are, and by the way good on your Dad for joining the British army, my Dad also served in the War, what you need to do is remind yourself who and what they were fighting against.

I know very well and consider myself a socialist, you just confuse me with statements like that and your support for Serbia against Kosovo And talk about Clinton and jihadists. Very fishy stuff.... I would like to know what right wingers in the UK have for propaganda, as the GOP base has in Fox News and Internet conspiracy nuts..... I am a big Francophile and saw the wreck of Warspite age two thank you....

 

[Deadstick]

I know very well and consider myself a socialist, you just confuse me with statements like that and your support for Serbia against Kosovo And talk about Clinton and jihadists. Very fishy stuff.... I would like to know what right wingers in the UK have for propaganda, as the GOP base has in Fox News and Internet conspiracy nuts..... I am a big Francophile and saw the wreck of Warspite age two thank you....

The propaganda in the UK is from all the MSM including the BBC and SKY, but if you are a socialist you have got the Balkan wars very wrong indeed i am afraid, and i am right about Clinton, he worked with Izetbegovic to bring those Jihadi fighters into Bosnia from places like Saudi Arabia, when i have time i will try and find the links to show you.

 

[francoHFW]

The US supported both sides in the Iran/Iraq war. Iran was and is our enemy. We would have been fully justified by international law for going to war with them for the invasion of our embassy. Embassies are Sovreign territory, territorial enclaves that are legally part of the owning country, NOT the host country. We played both sides against each other, to keep both weak and divided so they were no threat to anyone else in the Middle East. Look at what happened when we stopped distracting them. Iran became the most prolific sponser of terrorism, far outdoing Ghaddafi and Iraq started invading its neighbors.

reagan foreign policy was a disaster as GOP foreign policy always is... iran lost like five million soldiers dead in the war and they absolutely hated us and that's why they started terrorism. Both sides my ****, Reagan even helped Iraq with chemical weapons...

 

[gipper]

Who ended GOP stupidest ever wars and never started a real war themselves. Good police actions though. You know a mountain of pure crap.

Lol. There is nothing more bipartisan than war. After the past few decades how all Americans do not know this is unbelievable.

O took w’s two wars and made it seven. He dropped more bombs than W. He increased the war budget every year of his terrible presidency. He did nothing about torture or Gitmo. He tortured Manning.

 

[Deadstick]

reagan foreign policy was a disaster as GOP foreign policy always is... iran lost like five million soldiers dead in the war and they absolutely hated us and that's why they started terrorism. Both sides my ****, Reagan even helped Iraq with chemical weapons...

It was Rumsfeld who helped with chemical weapons, then when Iraq used them he blamed the Iranians.

 

[francoHFW]

The propaganda in the UK is from all the MSM including the BBC and SKY, but if you are a socialist you have got the Balkan wars very wrong indeed i am afraid, and i am right about Clinton, he worked with Izetbegovic to bring those Jihadi fighters into Bosnia from places like Saudi Arabia, when i have time i will try and find the links to show you.

Socialism means peace democracy always fair capitalism with a good safety net. Serbians and Russians are a caution. So you think the BBC talked right wingers into Brexit?

 

[AZrailwhale]

FALSE! Regardless of what Texans declared, Mexico still claimed Texas as part of Mexico. The Texas settlements had plenty to do with the Mexican-American war.
The US declared it's independence from England in 1776. Wanna say that had "nothing to do with" the US Revolutionary War ?

Texas had beaten Mexico long before the 1846 Mexican-American War. Texas was an independent country just like California was. Texas was even recognized by MEXICO as an independent country in 1845. The US attempted to buy the Southwest from Mexico and Mexico refused. That led to the war which Mexico decisively lost. The first event that led directly to the war was an attack on American troops by Mexican Regulars NORTH of the Rio Grande in territory ceded to the USA by Santa Ana. The USA then declared war. The US still paid Mexico for the Southwest rather than just claiming it as war booty.

 

[Deadstick]

Socialism means peace democracy always fair capitalism with a good safety net. Serbians and Russians are a caution. So you think the BBC talked right wingers into Brexit?

With Brexit not really, but the overall reporting is establishment through and through, they were part of the attack on Corbyn,anyway it's late over here so time for some shuteye, have a good day.

 

[francoHFW]

Lol. There is nothing more bipartisan than war. After the past few decades how all American do not know this is unbelievable.

O took w’s two wars and made it seven. He dropped more bombs than W. He increased the war budget every year of his terrible presidency. He did nothing about torture or Gitmo. He tortured Manning.

Obama's wars were police actions no boots on the ground. Democrats supported the Iraq war because they were lied to by Bush and Powell about nuclear weapons and total BS. And they left Afghanistan to do it- real wars with thousands of Americans killed and leaving behind long lasting chaos....

 

[AZrailwhale]

FALSE! Regardless of what Texans declared, Mexico still claimed Texas as part of Mexico. The Texas settlements had plenty to do with the Mexican-American war.
The US declared it's independence from England in 1776. Wanna say that had "nothing to do with" the US Revolutionary War ?

The US revolutionary War had been being fought for FIFTEEN MONTHS before the Declaration of Independence was signed. So no, the D of I had nothing to do with the war. It was just an acknowledgement of existing conditions. It was mostly written to get international support for the Colonies in their struggle with Great Britain.

 

[AZrailwhale]

What terrorism did Iran sponsor?

You're kidding right? Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are all partially or completely controlled by Teheran. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard is an arm of the Iranian government and has committed many acts of terrorism ranging from attacking neutral shipping during the "Tanker War" that lasted from 1 February 1984 until 4 August 1988. The Revolutionary Guard ground forces have support, trained and financed terrorist forces all over the middle east and trained Hugo Chavez's military in Venezuela. Iran was providing advanced IEDs (except they weren't IMPROVISED) to the terrorist forces opposing the US in the terrorist wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, leading directly to the deaths of hundreds of American servicemen and women.

 

[Dayton3]

Reagan supported (and more) his pal Saddam in the Iran Iraq War, Also supported scumbag dictators genocidal repression in several central American countries....Dulles, Kissinger, Rumsfeld, Cheney- lying scumbag fascist swine under big smile out of touchers like Reagan and W Booosh- incompetent fools...

Big deal. Reagan support foreign leaders who supported the United States. That''s what leaders do.

 

[gipper]

Obama's wars were police actions no boots on the ground. Democrats supported the Iraq war because they were lied to by Bush and Powell about nuclear weapons and total BS. And they left Afghanistan to do it- real wars with thousands of Americans killed and leaving behind long lasting chaos....

Just like a MAGA cultist.

 

[francoHFW]

With Brexit not really, but the overall reporting is establishment through and through, they were part of the attack on Corbyn,anyway it's late over here so time for some shuteye, have a good day.

Which attack was that? At any rate I think the Clinton and the jihadists and the massacre scam and your Bosnian general are highly overrated... I do have a problem with the whole savage capitalist English speaker thing and their belief it seems that they are geniuses for having built the English Channel and the Atlantic Ocean...,,

 

[francoHFW]

Just like a MAGA cultist.

Any actual argument?

 

[francoHFW]

Big deal. Reagan support foreign leaders who supported the United States. That''s what leaders do.

That's O K for fascist Republicans I guess. We like democracy and diplomacy and Americanism