United Methodist Church To Split Over Gay Marriage

[ding]

They make the same arguments the bigots who opposed interracial marriages.

No. It's a different argument. The Democrats justified their bigotry on the grounds they were morally superior.

The argument against gay marriage is based on something entirely different. That the rule should not be defined by the exception.

 

[DGS49]

It is not an excuse to say, "I have an innate impulsion to sin."

Everyone does. Married men have impulses and are inclined to **** women who are not their wives. Pedophiles have a compulsion to **** children. Unmarried men have impulses to **** everything in sight, married or not.

So suppose that homosexuals alone are "fine" if they give in to their natural sinful inclinations is...you do not believe in God, so why claim to be a Methodist, Catholic, Muslim, Mormon, or whatever. Believe in God includes belief in what He says in the Torah. Disagreement is not an option.

 

[rightwinger]

They make the same arguments the bigots who opposed interracial marriages.

No. It's a different argument. The Democrats justified their bigotry on the grounds they were morally superior.

The argument against gay marriage is based on something entirely different. That the rule should not be defined by the exception.

No, it was mostly the Courts declaring that the Government had no pressing interest to deny gay marriage

 

[rightwinger]

It is not an excuse to say, "I have an innate impulsion to sin."

Everyone does. Married men have impulses and are inclined to **** women who are not their wives. Pedophiles have a compulsion to **** children. Unmarried men have impulses to **** everything in sight, married or not.

So suppose that homosexuals alone are "fine" if they give in to their natural sinful inclinations is...you do not believe in God, so why claim to be a Methodist, Catholic, Muslim, Mormon, or whatever. Believe in God includes belief in what He says in the Torah. Disagreement is not an option.

It’s not about who you fuk, but who you love

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Maybe Trump could hold his sermons in one of his bankrupt casinos.

Or maybe at his defunct fraudulent university where he ripped off senior citizens.

Maybe he could have Stormy pass around the collection plate.

Uh...you started an interesting thread.

Any reason you are contributing to it's derailment ?

 

[ding]

They make the same arguments the bigots who opposed interracial marriages.

No. It's a different argument. The Democrats justified their bigotry on the grounds they were morally superior.

The argument against gay marriage is based on something entirely different. That the rule should not be defined by the exception.

No, it was mostly the Courts declaring that the Government had no pressing interest to deny gay marriage

The government has no business meddling with marriage. It's not up to them.

 

[rightwinger]

They make the same arguments the bigots who opposed interracial marriages.

No. It's a different argument. The Democrats justified their bigotry on the grounds they were morally superior.

The argument against gay marriage is based on something entirely different. That the rule should not be defined by the exception.

No, it was mostly the Courts declaring that the Government had no pressing interest to deny gay marriage

The government has no business meddling with marriage. It's not up to them.

The government just has to make sure there is a level playing field
If they are going to declare a marriage illegal, they have to have a justifiable reason

Because some thinks gays are yucky is not a reason

 

[ding]

They make the same arguments the bigots who opposed interracial marriages.

No. It's a different argument. The Democrats justified their bigotry on the grounds they were morally superior.

The argument against gay marriage is based on something entirely different. That the rule should not be defined by the exception.

No, it was mostly the Courts declaring that the Government had no pressing interest to deny gay marriage

The government has no business meddling with marriage. It's not up to them.

The government just has to make sure there is a level playing field
If they are going to declare a marriage illegal, they have to have a justifiable reason

Because some thinks gays are yucky is not a reason

The government doesn't need to know if you are married. They only need to know if you are filing separately or jointly. That's it.

 

[rightwinger]

They make the same arguments the bigots who opposed interracial marriages.

No. It's a different argument. The Democrats justified their bigotry on the grounds they were morally superior.

The argument against gay marriage is based on something entirely different. That the rule should not be defined by the exception.

No, it was mostly the Courts declaring that the Government had no pressing interest to deny gay marriage

The government has no business meddling with marriage. It's not up to them.

The government just has to make sure there is a level playing field
If they are going to declare a marriage illegal, they have to have a justifiable reason

Because some thinks gays are yucky is not a reason

The government doesn't need to know if you are married. They only need to know if you are filing separately or jointly. That's it.

Yet, when you get a divorce, the first thing you do is run to the government

 

[bodecea]

Gay marriae is wrong, that's my opinion. They are adults so they can do as they please, without approval.

"In your opinion"

 

[ding]

No. It's a different argument. The Democrats justified their bigotry on the grounds they were morally superior.

The argument against gay marriage is based on something entirely different. That the rule should not be defined by the exception.

No, it was mostly the Courts declaring that the Government had no pressing interest to deny gay marriage

The government has no business meddling with marriage. It's not up to them.

The government just has to make sure there is a level playing field
If they are going to declare a marriage illegal, they have to have a justifiable reason

Because some thinks gays are yucky is not a reason

The government doesn't need to know if you are married. They only need to know if you are filing separately or jointly. That's it.

Yet, when you get a divorce, the first thing you do is run to the government

That's exactly my point. You don't run to the government. You run to an attorney and litigate it through civil proceedings. They literally have no business defining marriage at all.

 

[DGS49]

The Institution of Marriage evolved over thousands of years, and has a number of vital, legitimate, logical, and efficacious properties.

It ensures that children are taken care of, that spouses are not discarded when they grow old, that violation of the marriage is sanctioned, if not punished, that the wealth of the marriage is preserved for the surviving spouse and children, and so on.

NONE of these is essential in a homosexual/lesbian relationship. Such couples cannot reproduce, neither of them need give up a career to nurture the children (in fact, homosexual couples have significantly higher household incomes, on average, than normal couples), when one of them abandons the marriage, the other is not financially devastated, when one of them dies provisions are easily made to provide for the survivor (assuming they are desired).

Indeed, monogamous ("married") male homosexuals are more a product of the AIDS pandemic than any desire for monogamy (the existence of which among homo's is essentially a pipe dream). The quest for the institutionalization of "Gay Marriage" is, more than anything else, a request for society's approval of a deviant lifestyle.

Still, we are all made in the image and likeness of God, and nobody knows the nature of anyone else's intimate relationships - unless it is advertised in some overt way. I know many heterosexual couples who have sex less often than they celebrate birthdays. Rumor has it that many lesbian couples are in the same boat, so to speak. So it is not rational or appropriate to assume that all homosexuals are sinners, even the "married" ones. And far be it from me to tell anyone what they may or shouldn't do when they are alone together.

 

[rightwinger]

No, it was mostly the Courts declaring that the Government had no pressing interest to deny gay marriage

The government has no business meddling with marriage. It's not up to them.

The government just has to make sure there is a level playing field
If they are going to declare a marriage illegal, they have to have a justifiable reason

Because some thinks gays are yucky is not a reason

The government doesn't need to know if you are married. They only need to know if you are filing separately or jointly. That's it.

Yet, when you get a divorce, the first thing you do is run to the government

That's exactly my point. You don't run to the government. You run to an attorney and litigate it through civil proceedings. They literally have no business defining marriage at all.

That is where our legal system resides
You make a marriage, someone has to decide how assets are allocated

 

[rightwinger]

The Institution of Marriage evolved over thousands of years, and has a number of vital, legitimate, logical, and efficacious properties.

It ensures that children are taken care of, that spouses are not discarded when they grow old, that violation of the marriage is sanctioned, if not punished, that the wealth of the marriage is preserved for the surviving spouse and children, and so on.

NONE of these is essential in a homosexual/lesbian relationship. Such couples cannot reproduce, neither of them need give up a career to nurture the children (in fact, homosexual couples have significantly higher household incomes, on average, than normal couples), when one of them abandons the marriage, the other is not financially devastated, when one of them dies provisions are easily made to provide for the survivor (assuming they are desired).

Indeed, monogamous ("married") male homosexuals are more a product of the AIDS pandemic than any desire for monogamy (the existence of which among homo's is essentially a pipe dream). The quest for the institutionalization of "Gay Marriage" is, more than anything else, a request for society's approval of a deviant lifestyle.

Still, we are all made in the image and likeness of God, and nobody knows the nature of anyone else's intimate relationships - unless it is advertised in some overt way. I know many heterosexual couples who have sex less often than they celebrate birthdays. Rumor has it that many lesbian couples are in the same boat, so to speak. So it is not rational or appropriate to assume that all homosexuals are sinners, even the "married" ones. And far be it from me to tell anyone what they may or shouldn't do when they are alone together.

Homosexuals form unions, have loving relationships, have children and deserve every benefit and protections other couples receive

 

[ding]

The government has no business meddling with marriage. It's not up to them.

The government just has to make sure there is a level playing field
If they are going to declare a marriage illegal, they have to have a justifiable reason

Because some thinks gays are yucky is not a reason

The government doesn't need to know if you are married. They only need to know if you are filing separately or jointly. That's it.

Yet, when you get a divorce, the first thing you do is run to the government

That's exactly my point. You don't run to the government. You run to an attorney and litigate it through civil proceedings. They literally have no business defining marriage at all.

That is where our legal system resides
You make a marriage, someone has to decide how assets are allocated

Untrue. You can always mutually decide and do the paperwork yourself. Or you could have written a prenuptial agreement before getting married.

 

[rightwinger]

Our society understands the merits of same sex marriage

Many faiths still cling to their hatreds. For institutions of Gods, they are slow to accept those who are different.

In time, they will catch up with the rest of society

 

[ding]

Our society understands the merits of same sex marriage

Many faiths still cling to their hatreds. For institutions of Gods, they are slow to accept those who are different.

In time, they will catch up with the rest of society

If your arguments were stronger you wouldn't need to misstate the arguments of others to make yours.

 

[rightwinger]

Our society understands the merits of same sex marriage

Many faiths still cling to their hatreds. For institutions of Gods, they are slow to accept those who are different.

In time, they will catch up with the rest of society

If your arguments were stronger you wouldn't need to misstate the arguments of others to make yours.

Churches will evolve

As society becomes more accepting of homosexual relationships, churchgoers will become less tolerant of the hate coming from the pulpit

 

[ding]

Our society understands the merits of same sex marriage

Many faiths still cling to their hatreds. For institutions of Gods, they are slow to accept those who are different.

In time, they will catch up with the rest of society

If your arguments were stronger you wouldn't need to misstate the arguments of others to make yours.

Churches will evolve

As society becomes more accepting of homosexual relationships, churchgoers will become less tolerant of the hate coming from the pulpit

I've never seen this hate from the pulpit you speak of.

As for your prediction...

Ten Signs of a Culture's End | Clinton Memorial Library

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

People should attend a church that has principles that match theirs

Ha, and there you have it:

People retrofit their religions to their own fetishes and neuroses and morality.