Unemployment benefits aren't causing a labor shortage. Low wages are. What if, and this may sound wild, businesses paid low wage workers more

[GMCGeneral]

Means testing does not make it more expensive.

Yes, it does. Simply filling out that form is "expensive".

No, it is not. The person filing out the form is not a state employee. And whatever minor administrative cost there is would be quickly covered by any single refusal of welfare benefits due to having adequate means to support themselves.

Why do you believe that? Means testing is the most expensive option. One study I read says the hour equivalent cost of welfare is about fourteen dollars an hour. It is one reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

Do you have a link for that?

And if means testing cuts out just a couple of people every year, it has more than paid for itself.

You seem to think we should pay people just because they want the money. Welfare is for those who need help to survive. Not for those who just want more money but can take care of themselves without help.

I read it a while ago but didn't save the link and now I having difficulty finding it again.

And, you misunderstand the whole point. It is about promoting and providing for the general welfare by better ensuring full employment of capital resources in our market based economy. Means tested welfare is truer Socialism.

And, of course, it does not take into account the money saved by refusing welfare for those who do not need it.

Anyone who is in poverty should be able to qualify for it. Why do we have any homeless at all?

Equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed can solve simple poverty and our homeless problem.

This again? You have tried this before and I have explained how you are wrong. And spare me the "right winger fallacy" nonsense. It is not true.

Anyone who is in poverty should qualify for welfare. That is the purpose of that program. UC is something completely different.

danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

/---/ The sole purpose of business is to create profit for the owners at the lowest possible cost. It is not a social jobs program.

Your point? That is why we have Government instead of true free market capitalism.

/——/ That is not why we have government.

 

[WinterBorn]

Quite the opposite, it would provide incentive for people to quit their job.

You miss the point. Sweatshop capitalists would have to pay more or increase their operational efficiency through other means.

I do not miss the point. And you are living proof of what I say.

You ridicule those who work, and yet you demand to be given money without showing you actually need it. You have not worked for several years. And have said you have no intention of doing so.

Yes, you do miss the point of employment at the Will of either party.

And if the employee willfully decides not to work, and does not qualify for welfare, they are on their own. Why should tax payers foot the bill for their choice to not work?

It is called, being legal to the law. Don't be illegal to employment at-will laws right wingers.

No one is being illegal to employment at-will. You are the one spouting fallacies.

 

[WinterBorn]

The majority of homeless people have substance abuse issues and mental health problems. Giving them a check they cannot cash (no address/no ID) is worthless. And if they do get the check cashed, they will have to keep the cash on their person will sleeping where ever they can, since they will not be able to pay all the deposits and rent out of one check.

Plus, handing money to people with substance abuse issues only compounds their problem.

We have been through this before.

You make their case for means tested welfare that includes mental health.

Yes, I can make a case for that. But the priority must be treatment for the substance abuse and mental health problems before they are given money.

How would you get people off the street with means tested welfare?

By providing residential mental health and substance abuse help, with means tested welfare providing income after they complete the treatment. If the mental illness cannot be completely cured with medications, they would draw disability instead of welfare.

 

[WinterBorn]

Anyone who cannot work and needs help to make it should qualify for welfare. No problem.

Why do we have any homeless problems?

I have already answered that. And UC is certainly not the answer, since it is only temporary assistance.

Welfare doesn't work for that and simply denying and disparaging equal protection of the laws is unConstitutional.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Unemployment compensation provides temporary assistance to those who have lost their job through no fault of their own. And the money is considerably less than they were making before they lost their job. So it will not cure poverty. It was never meant to cure poverty.

 

[danielpalos]

@danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

lol. Those of the Opposing View are the ones confused. I am saying that for-Cause requirements for unemployment compensation in any at-Will employment State are repugnant to express Constitutional laws regarding equal protection. Those of the Opposing View are Always Wrong even though they are on the right.

 

[danielpalos]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

/---/ The sole purpose of business is to create profit for the owners at the lowest possible cost. It is not a social jobs program.

Your point? That is why we have Government instead of true free market capitalism.

/——/ That is not why we have government.

Yet, it is. Capitalism is not the social-ism of Government.

 

[danielpalos]

Quite the opposite, it would provide incentive for people to quit their job.

You miss the point. Sweatshop capitalists would have to pay more or increase their operational efficiency through other means.

I do not miss the point. And you are living proof of what I say.

You ridicule those who work, and yet you demand to be given money without showing you actually need it. You have not worked for several years. And have said you have no intention of doing so.

Yes, you do miss the point of employment at the Will of either party.

And if the employee willfully decides not to work, and does not qualify for welfare, they are on their own. Why should tax payers foot the bill for their choice to not work?

It is called, being legal to the law. Don't be illegal to employment at-will laws right wingers.

No one is being illegal to employment at-will. You are the one spouting fallacies.

lol. You have no idea what you are talking about. Which fallacy and how is it being committed. Go ahead, Person of the Opposing View, tell all here in the public domain.

 

[danielpalos]

The majority of homeless people have substance abuse issues and mental health problems. Giving them a check they cannot cash (no address/no ID) is worthless. And if they do get the check cashed, they will have to keep the cash on their person will sleeping where ever they can, since they will not be able to pay all the deposits and rent out of one check.

Plus, handing money to people with substance abuse issues only compounds their problem.

We have been through this before.

You make their case for means tested welfare that includes mental health.

Yes, I can make a case for that. But the priority must be treatment for the substance abuse and mental health problems before they are given money.

How would you get people off the street with means tested welfare?

By providing residential mental health and substance abuse help, with means tested welfare providing income after they complete the treatment. If the mental illness cannot be completely cured with medications, they would draw disability instead of welfare.

Why do we have a homeless problem now?

 

[danielpalos]

Anyone who cannot work and needs help to make it should qualify for welfare. No problem.

Why do we have any homeless problems?

I have already answered that. And UC is certainly not the answer, since it is only temporary assistance.

Welfare doesn't work for that and simply denying and disparaging equal protection of the laws is unConstitutional.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Unemployment compensation provides temporary assistance to those who have lost their job through no fault of their own. And the money is considerably less than they were making before they lost their job. So it will not cure poverty. It was never meant to cure poverty.

Yes, through unequal protection of at-will employment laws. And, yes, it can cure simple poverty on an at-will basis in any at-will employment State. And, simply having recourse to an income via that automatic stabilization process is what can cure simple poverty since all it takes is capital to circulate in our market based economy. Why would anyone want to remain homeless if they could otherwise apply for unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in an at-will employment State.

 

[GMCGeneral]

@danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

lol. Those of the Opposing View are the ones confused. I am saying that for-Cause requirements for unemployment compensation in any at-Will employment State are repugnant to express Constitutional laws regarding equal protection. Those of the Opposing View are Always Wrong even though they are on the right.

No. You are wrong. Are you seriously going to singlehandedly change DOL laws in all 50 states? Please. What YOU want is to get paid for sitting on your lazy ass while we foot the bill.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Opinion | The "labor shortage" is actually a wage shortage

What if, and this may sound wild, businesses paid people more, especially "low wage" workers?

www.msnbc.com

"The work Americans put in doesn't match the wages that come out, especially for lower earners, a gap that has become untenable for many."

Keeping wages depressed by flooding labor market is a reason Biden Admin won't secure border

Biden unveiled his master plan to get Americans back to work yesterday.

He used his Creepy Whisper Voice (TM) to tell employers to pay their workers more...

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2021/06/24/2330544296903722648/640x360_MP4_2330544296903722648.mp4

What a genius. LOL.

America needs Trump more than ever.

 

[danielpalos]

@danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

lol. Those of the Opposing View are the ones confused. I am saying that for-Cause requirements for unemployment compensation in any at-Will employment State are repugnant to express Constitutional laws regarding equal protection. Those of the Opposing View are Always Wrong even though they are on the right.

No. You are wrong. Are you seriously going to singlehandedly change DOL laws in all 50 states? Please. What YOU want is to get paid for sitting on your lazy ass while we foot the bill.

Are you on the right-wing? False witness bearing is what they do best, can they be any more true to express laws.

Constitutional law is the supreme law of the federal or State land. Equal protection of the law is in all of them.

 

[WinterBorn]

@danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

lol. Those of the Opposing View are the ones confused. I am saying that for-Cause requirements for unemployment compensation in any at-Will employment State are repugnant to express Constitutional laws regarding equal protection. Those of the Opposing View are Always Wrong even though they are on the right.

No they are not. Just because a state is an at-will employment does not mean you qualify for every benefit. UC is not part of the at-will employment law.

 

[danielpalos]

@danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

lol. Those of the Opposing View are the ones confused. I am saying that for-Cause requirements for unemployment compensation in any at-Will employment State are repugnant to express Constitutional laws regarding equal protection. Those of the Opposing View are Always Wrong even though they are on the right.

No they are not. Just because a state is an at-will employment does not mean you qualify for every benefit. UC is not part of the at-will employment law.

It means you can quit on an at-will basis since that is the law. That means the State via EDD can't require Cause for benefits.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

 

[WinterBorn]

@danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

lol. Those of the Opposing View are the ones confused. I am saying that for-Cause requirements for unemployment compensation in any at-Will employment State are repugnant to express Constitutional laws regarding equal protection. Those of the Opposing View are Always Wrong even though they are on the right.

No they are not. Just because a state is an at-will employment does not mean you qualify for every benefit. UC is not part of the at-will employment law.

It means you can quit on an at-will basis since that is the law. That means the State via EDD can't require Cause for benefits.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

My neighbor is a veteran. I am a veteran. He draws a full disability check from the VA. Should I demand a check too? Even though I am not disabled?

 

[danielpalos]

@danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

lol. Those of the Opposing View are the ones confused. I am saying that for-Cause requirements for unemployment compensation in any at-Will employment State are repugnant to express Constitutional laws regarding equal protection. Those of the Opposing View are Always Wrong even though they are on the right.

No they are not. Just because a state is an at-will employment does not mean you qualify for every benefit. UC is not part of the at-will employment law.

It means you can quit on an at-will basis since that is the law. That means the State via EDD can't require Cause for benefits.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

My neighbor is a veteran. I am a veteran. He draws a full disability check from the VA. Should I demand a check too? Even though I am not disabled?

You are engaging in a fallacy of composition. Employment at-will is a contractual obligation in any at-will employment State.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

/---/ The sole purpose of business is to create profit for the owners at the lowest possible cost. It is not a social jobs program.

Your point? That is why we have Government instead of true free market capitalism.

/——/ That is not why we have government.

Yet, it is. Capitalism is not the social-ism of Government.

Socialism is not government you idiot. It is only one form of government

Fact, deal with it .

 

[WinterBorn]

@danielpalos is confused. He thinks quitting a job qualifies someone for UC. I know all about UC. When I drove school bus, summer of 2018 I got laid off because of no work. so I put in for UC and worked charters. Suffice it to say I made half of what I would make during the school year. And that's with four schools and one afterschool program. Point being, what danielpalos wants is for everyone to sit on their asses collecting money they never earned. Did he know that UC is taxed? Oh yes. And one of the conditions for receiving UC is you have to be either actively seeking employment or awaiting recall on your existing job.

lol. Those of the Opposing View are the ones confused. I am saying that for-Cause requirements for unemployment compensation in any at-Will employment State are repugnant to express Constitutional laws regarding equal protection. Those of the Opposing View are Always Wrong even though they are on the right.

No they are not. Just because a state is an at-will employment does not mean you qualify for every benefit. UC is not part of the at-will employment law.

It means you can quit on an at-will basis since that is the law. That means the State via EDD can't require Cause for benefits.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

My neighbor is a veteran. I am a veteran. He draws a full disability check from the VA. Should I demand a check too? Even though I am not disabled?

You are engaging in a fallacy of composition. Employment at-will is a contractual obligation in any at-will employment State.

And volunteer military service is a contractual obligation. Both my neighbor and I completed our obligated contract. Yet he gets a check and I do not it. That is the same inequality you are claiming applies to employment.

 

[danielpalos]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

/---/ The sole purpose of business is to create profit for the owners at the lowest possible cost. It is not a social jobs program.

Your point? That is why we have Government instead of true free market capitalism.

/——/ That is not why we have government.

Yet, it is. Capitalism is not the social-ism of Government.

Socialism is not government you idiot. It is only one form of government

Fact, deal with it .

Social-ism is Government. You can't have Government without it.