It isn't hard, it's impossible.
Progressives do not care about facts, or logic, or law, or anything other than winning. Win at all costs, no matter the consequences. This spans from the top of the party, all the way down to the lefties here arguing at USMB. All that matters is the win. They will lie, deflect, troll, and whatever else it takes EXCEPT listen. that they will not do.
Think that is just a right winger hating on the left and exaggerating? Well, consider the cases of Trayvon Martin and Robert Brown. The progressives argued relentlessly, without knowing any facts in the case, without caring about the law, that George Zimmerman was guilty and Darren Wilson too. Dozens of threads later, after they all swore that Trayvon was shot for no reason, and that Wilson shot a fleeing Brown in the back, they trials are over and we know that nothing they claimed was true. Did any of them acknowledge that they were wrong? No. In fact many are still maintaining that Zimmerman and Wilson are guilty to this day. Despite the fact that our own Justice Department, run by a black man with a huge chip on his shoulder, couldn't find a case to charge either of them with ANY crime at all, they still are too immature to admit error.
If you do try to discuss anything with them they will try to drag you off topic, they will ask for links and proof that when you provide it, they will call it bogus. And even if they are so totally off base that dozens of people show them to be wrong in one thread, they will disappear and show up in some other thread at a later time saying the exact thing that you just debunked.
Discussing anything with a progressive is a waste of time. I have no respect for them because respect is earned and they have only earned disgust.
I know that this is the Israel board, but since you mentioned those other matters, I'd like to comment on them. I didn't follow the Robert Brown case so I can't comment on that, but the Martin case infuriated me. Why did a young man of 19 have to die just because he took a walk to a convenience store to buy a candy bar or a can of soda? Why did that nutcase Zimmerman have to follow him and provoke him into a fight? I don't know what happened in the fight--it could be that Martin, being younger and stronger, got the upper hand. But the point is that he shouldn't have been followed in the first place. Martin didn't commit any kind of crime to warrant being followed by Zimmerman, who wasn't even a cop. And Zimmerman has been in several brushes with the law since that time. Zimmerman should at least have been charged in that case of violating Martin's civil rights. How? By following him in the first place. No one should have to die in America for buying a can of soda.
Why is it a problem???
Because some of us ignore the facts.
People that has a basic understanding of the legal system would understand the reasonable doubt and lack of evidence the jury and/or judge would have to find not guilty
The legal system is not governed by lynch mobs and rioters. It follows the law.
We have seen in other countries that an accusation of suspicion can send one to death within minutes and without a real trial. They can be tortured, raped and starved if they do make it to jail, after which they would likely be pleading for death instead. Accusation can be made without witnesses or evidence. In some countries they can be stoned to death, have limb or tongues cut off and even crucified, beheaded or burned alive.
You can't demand a guilty verdict because you don't like the way he looks or have not heard all the evidence. TV, radio and talk TV is not a court room and you are not the judge and jury. Even if you happen to be called to serve jury duty, you are only one among 12, not the whole jury yourself.
If you do believe in god, he is the only one that is really the judge and jury. You don't get to call to have the accused killed or otherwise punished.
We have to cooperate with the legal system and police, not threaten them. We have to speak with common sense, logic and facts, but not to riot in the streets, destroy property and fight with law enforcement.
If the jury decides not guilty, then we have to accept their decision and not try to take matters into our own hands. We need to help police keep the peace.
Respect for others, respect for the law, respect for those that serve like the police, firefighters, military, etc.
We give others the chance we might hope to have if we were the ones on trial for some offense. Innocent till 'Proven' guilty.
