UN hypocracy

[aris2chat]

It does not seem to matter how bad thinks are elsewhere in the world, if someone breaths wrong it is Israel's fault. Checkpoints are a way of life everywhere in the world, especially since 9/11 but somehow this is an obstruction in Jerusalem, that Israelis trying to keep easter visitors safe is a violation of their rights to worship. Christians are dying around the world and Israel is trying to prevent it from happening in Israel during the holy days. How is that a bad thing?

As Christian Churches Burn, the UN Condemns Israel
Ronn Torossian April 22, 2014 , 12:41 pm

Churches Burn Throughout the Middle East, Christians are being killed and persecuted – and the Jews are blamed for providing security. Amazing.

Only a few miles away from Israel – in Syria – there is a civil war taking place which has killed at least 150,000 people and uprooted more than nine million others. There are reportedly 1 Million Syrian refugees living in Lebanon alone. Churches are being burnt – and people, including children being killed daily. Some are killed simply because they are not Muslim. Yet, no statement from the United Nations in recent days.

Meanwhile, in the only country in the Middle East where all religions worship freely, hundreds of thousands prayed in Israel this week during Holy Week. Thousands of Christian pilgrims thronged the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem’s Old City Saturday amid tight security on Easter. Yet, UN Middle East peace envoy Robert Serry issued a statement denouncing what he called an “incident” before the ceremony. He was upset that the peace procession was stopped at a security checkpoint before the church “despite earlier assurances… of unhindered access.”

Go figure – in the Middle East, there was a security checkpoint? And perhaps things changed, as is apt to happen in the business of security? Mr. Serry – Israel, more so than you wishes that they didn’t need to have security so tight. Jewish Israeli soldiers are protecting and putting themselves in danger, so Christians can pray freely.

Serry apparently joined “..in an angry crowd pushing their way through.” He said that this security “…wasn’t something you associate with a peaceful procession for Easter.”

The fool must forget that at the Holy Sepulchre, where Christians believe Jesus was crucified, in 2002, a Coptic monk sparked a riot which sent 11 to the hospital. In 2004, a door to the Franciscan chapel was left open and a riot commenced. In 2008, a violent brawl erupted which saw dozens injured in a clash between Armenian and Greek monks. Is that what one associates with “a peaceful procession for Easter?”

During this holiday period, a Jew was killed while driving en route to a Passover Seder, and in years past there was a bomb which killed dozens as Jews gathered for Passover. At the Holy Sepulcher, there have been regular fistfights. Throughout the Middle East, Christian churches are being burnt and destroyed – but not in Israel.

On the Temple Mount, located a very short walking distance from the Holy Sepulchre, dozens of Arabs are throwing rocks and attempting to maim Jews and others. Just today, one of the most influential American Rabbis, Rabbi Meir Soloveichik’s tour of the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism was cut short when violent rioting broke out at the holy site. It was the first time that the Temple Mount had been open to Jews since the beginning of the observance of Passover this year – yet Christian sites were open…. and this idiot from the UN complains about tight security.

In 2014, a fool from the United Nations waited a few extra minutes due to security regulations. He issued a press release condemning Israel.

Throughout the Middle East, churches are in danger. Just a year ago 62 churches in Egypt were attacked and demolished by Muslims. In Iraq, about 2 million Christians were either killed or fled the country. In Syria, Muslims are slaughtering Christians and imposing fines upon them. Throughout the Middle East Christians are in danger. Not in Israel.

The United Nations is disgusting, biased and Anti-Israel. There is a standalone agenda to harm Israel in every single manner – repeatedly – by the United Nations. The only democracy in the Middle East, which allows freedom of religion for all is attacked regularly by this dysfunctional organization

 

[Manchester]

Checkpoints are a way of life everywhere in the world, especially since 9/11 but somehow this is an obstruction in Jerusalem

No they're not. Not in free countries.

 

[Sunni Man]

The United Nations is disgusting, biased and Anti-Israel. There is a standalone agenda to harm Israel in every single manner – repeatedly – by the United Nations. The only democracy in the Middle East, which allows freedom of religion for all is attacked regularly by this dysfunctional organization

I keep hearing this lie retold over and over.

Israel is NOT the only democracy in the Middle East.

Its neighbors, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, and Turkey, are also democracies and hold free elections. ...

 

[toastman]

The United Nations is disgusting, biased and Anti-Israel. There is a standalone agenda to harm Israel in every single manner – repeatedly – by the United Nations. The only democracy in the Middle East, which allows freedom of religion for all is attacked regularly by this dysfunctional organization

I keep hearing this lie retold over and over.

Israel is NOT the only democracy in the Middle East.

Its neighbors, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, and Turkey, are also democracies and hold free elections. ...

Stop it Sunni Troll, my stomach hurts from all the laughter!

 

[editec]

The United Nations is disgusting, biased and Anti-Israel. There is a standalone agenda to harm Israel in every single manner – repeatedly – by the United Nations. The only democracy in the Middle East, which allows freedom of religion for all is attacked regularly by this dysfunctional organization

I keep hearing this lie retold over and over.

Israel is NOT the only democracy in the Middle East.

Its neighbors, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, and Turkey, are also democracies and hold free elections. ...

Well you know how it is, Sunni.

Democracies ain't all they're cracked up to be.

Many of them look suspiciously like totalitarianian nighmares for some of their citizens.

 

[Sunni Man]

Well I know for a fact that both Iraq and Afghanistan are now democracies.

Pres. Obama said they were........

 

[aris2chat]

Checkpoints are a way of life everywhere in the world, especially since 9/11 but somehow this is an obstruction in Jerusalem

No they're not. Not in free countries.

Every country has security entering and exiting a country. All airports with commercial flight check the passengers. Government building, mall, sports stadiums, even schools and gatherings have security.
Cargo too goes through random check of boxes and/or have dogs/pigs/goats checking everything from mail to parking lots. People have to carry ID or documents. Cars and donkey carts get stop. Even phone calls and internet use can be monitored with cause.
Phones are tracked by satellite and we even put chips in our animals and people to find them if lost or kidnapped. There are camera with face recognition in most western countries and at banks, large business and authority buildings.
From africa to india finger prints are used for voting and/or receiving services.
We have satellites in space that can see a postage stamp on a letter. Security is heightened everywhere.

Yes there are still some pockets in rural third world countries with no power but where security is not required, even place perhaps undiscovered, but there are also health and school workers with battery or portable generators to run electronics within a reasonable distance if emergency communication is needed. There are ham and CB radios and satellite phones.

Hijacking, terrorism, war, etc., have changed our world and forced us to take steps even within out homes to protect ourselves and property. We have fences and walls, we hide things of value to us. We mark our territory or personal space to keep out others. We arm ourselves with sticks, knives or guns for defense. Our attitudes have changed to be more watchful and change our habit in an attempt not to be victims or alert other of danger.

Everyone learns to take some security measures, even of our bodies and modesty.

 

[Manchester]

Checkpoints are a way of life everywhere in the world, especially since 9/11 but somehow this is an obstruction in Jerusalem

No they're not. Not in free countries.

Every country has security entering and exiting a country. All airports with commercial flight check the passengers. Government building, mall, sports stadiums, even schools and gatherings have security.

Maybe where you are but right the way accross the rest of the western world, and I know cos I've travelled it, there are not security checkpoints anywhere other than parliment buildings and airports. Not in schools, not in sports stadiums other tahn ticket booths and not at gatherings.

Cargo too goes through random check of boxes and/or have dogs/pigs/goats checking everything from mail to parking lots. People have to carry ID or documents. Cars and donkey carts get stop. Even phone calls and internet use can be monitored with cause.
Phones are tracked by satellite and we even put chips in our animals and people to find them if lost or kidnapped. There are camera with face recognition in most western countries and at banks, large business and authority buildings.
From africa to india finger prints are used for voting and/or receiving services.
We have satellites in space that can see a postage stamp on a letter. Security is heightened everywhere.

What have the usual customs and excise checks got to do with checkpoints? Checkpoints hold up people not cargo. Even cameras with facial recognition are not checkpoints, they are scary and invade privacy in my opinion but they do not hold you up like a checkpoints

Yes there are still some pockets in rural third world countries with no power but where security is not required, even place perhaps undiscovered, but there are also health and school workers with battery or portable generators to run electronics within a reasonable distance if emergency communication is needed. There are ham and CB radios and satellite phones.

It's not just "3rd world countries" All accross central europe they have all the same stuff we do but no checkpoints and no security. All the way from Berlin to the Russian border, well maybe the Ukrainian border now you can move freely through each country without passport, any papers or anything. It shows you just how unfree America is after 9/11.

Hijacking, terrorism, war, etc., have changed our world and forced us to take steps even within out homes to protect ourselves and property. We have fences and walls, we hide things of value to us. We mark our territory or personal space to keep out others. We arm ourselves with sticks, knives or guns for defense. Our attitudes have changed to be more watchful and change our habit in an attempt not to be victims or alert other of danger.

Everyone learns to take some security measures, even of our bodies and modesty.

No they've not, they've changed America. London and Madrid have both been hit by Al-Q attacks yet they have changed nothing in their day to day lives because they know that if they did they would be letting the terrorists win.

 

[Billo_Really]

Every country has security entering and exiting a country.

Yeah, but they don't have checkpoints on someone else's land.

 

[Billo_Really]

This is why your checkpoints are criticized by the UN...

...you won't even let a sick boy go to the hospital for treatment.

Testimony: ISA prevents young man with rare disease from traveling to East Jerusalem for treatment

Early in February of this year I received a referral to al-Makassed Hospital in East Jerusalem with the PA’s coverage for treatment. I was given an appointment at al-Makassed for 19 February 2012. On 8 February 2012 we contacted the Division of Civil Affairs and submitted a request for a permit [to leave Gaza and reach East Jerusalem] for me and my mother.

On 16 February 2012, we were contacted by the Israel Security Agency. The ISA man asked me what I had and I told him that I have a tumor and that I have been ill since 2002 and that we submitted an application for a permit for the date of my hospital appointment at al-Makassed in Jerusalem.

On 18 February 2012 we were notified by the department for coordination of health matters in the Ministry for Civil Affairs that I had received a permit to enter Israel to get to al-Makassed Hospital together with my mother, Farida a-Taramsi, age 55, and that we had to be at the Erez crossing the next day, Sunday, at 07:30 in the morning.

The next morning we arrived at the checkpoint, and the Palestinian liaison coordinated our entry for us. At 09:00 we entered the Israeli side of the checkpoint. My mother and I gave our ID cards to the soldier at the counter and he instructed us to sit and wait. We waited half an hour and then a man in civilian clothes arrived and took me with my luggage to a room where I was searched and then they took me to another room, underground. I sat in the room. Interrogators who were in the room began questioning me. They asked me what my name is and what is the reason for my visit. I told them it was for treatment at al-Makassed. The soldiers asked me about my siblings and my friends. The interrogator asked me if I have any connection with armed groups. He wrote the names of the organizations on a piece of paper and told me to choose one of them. I told him that I have no connection with any of them. He asked me: “Do you shoot rockets?” I said no. He said: “Is this a table?” I said yes. He said: “Are you a terrorist?” I told him: I am not a terrorist.” I laughed because of his questions and he told me: “Let’s see you laugh in detention.” The interrogation lasted about an hour and a half. Then soldiers took me to another room where I waited at least two hours. A soldier came and asked me if I wanted to go to the bathroom, and I said no.

Then they took me in a GMC vehicle. They handcuffed me with metal handcuffs on my hands and feet to a seat in the vehicle and covered my eyes. The vehicle stopped and soldiers removed my blindfold and removed the handcuffs on my hands. They took me to a room where there was a police officer. The officer showed me a document and demanded that I sign it and I signed. He told me that this meant that I would have a hearing tomorrow. Then he asked me if I have a relative I want to contact. I told him that I remember the phone number of a friend of mine. I gave him the number and he phoned him and told him that he is from the Israel Defense Forces and asked him to tell my family that I was in detention and then he ended the conversation. Then I asked him about my mother who was waiting for me in the hall at the Erez crossing and he told me that he didn’t know.

The soldiers handcuffed me again and covered my eyes and drove me somewhere else, I think it was an army outpost. The soldiers took me out, removed the handcuffs and the blindfold and took me to a room where there was a doctor who checked my blood pressure and examined my medical documents. He said that I suffer from acromegaly [excess growth of bones and connective tissue]. Then a policeman arrived and took the papers and my belongings, like my money and cell phone, and gave me a sheet of paper and then the interrogator arrived who had questioned me earlier at Erez. He asked the policeman to handcuff me and blindfold me because I was going back to Gaza.

The soldiers drove me to the Erez crossing. They gave me my bag and papers. I left the checkpoint and got to the Palestinian Liaison Office. I continued walking until I got to the Hamas checkpoint. They interrogated me, and I got home around 19:00.

I was very tired and my whole body hurt, because of all the riding around and walking from place to place. All those hours I also went without food or drink. I was also very sad and very worried because I could not get to the treatment and they held me for no reason. I was right back where I started. I am still hoping to be able to get to al-Makassed to receive treatment.

All he wanted to do, was go to his doctor's appointment, but you people had to fuck with him and deny him medical treatment.

The UN is not biased, you fuckers are!

 

[Sally]

This is why your checkpoints are criticized by the UN...

...you won't even let a sick boy go to the hospital for treatment.

Testimony: ISA prevents young man with rare disease from traveling to East Jerusalem for treatment

Early in February of this year I received a referral to al-Makassed Hospital in East Jerusalem with the PA’s coverage for treatment. I was given an appointment at al-Makassed for 19 February 2012. On 8 February 2012 we contacted the Division of Civil Affairs and submitted a request for a permit [to leave Gaza and reach East Jerusalem] for me and my mother.

On 16 February 2012, we were contacted by the Israel Security Agency. The ISA man asked me what I had and I told him that I have a tumor and that I have been ill since 2002 and that we submitted an application for a permit for the date of my hospital appointment at al-Makassed in Jerusalem.

On 18 February 2012 we were notified by the department for coordination of health matters in the Ministry for Civil Affairs that I had received a permit to enter Israel to get to al-Makassed Hospital together with my mother, Farida a-Taramsi, age 55, and that we had to be at the Erez crossing the next day, Sunday, at 07:30 in the morning.

The next morning we arrived at the checkpoint, and the Palestinian liaison coordinated our entry for us. At 09:00 we entered the Israeli side of the checkpoint. My mother and I gave our ID cards to the soldier at the counter and he instructed us to sit and wait. We waited half an hour and then a man in civilian clothes arrived and took me with my luggage to a room where I was searched and then they took me to another room, underground. I sat in the room. Interrogators who were in the room began questioning me. They asked me what my name is and what is the reason for my visit. I told them it was for treatment at al-Makassed. The soldiers asked me about my siblings and my friends. The interrogator asked me if I have any connection with armed groups. He wrote the names of the organizations on a piece of paper and told me to choose one of them. I told him that I have no connection with any of them. He asked me: “Do you shoot rockets?” I said no. He said: “Is this a table?” I said yes. He said: “Are you a terrorist?” I told him: I am not a terrorist.” I laughed because of his questions and he told me: “Let’s see you laugh in detention.” The interrogation lasted about an hour and a half. Then soldiers took me to another room where I waited at least two hours. A soldier came and asked me if I wanted to go to the bathroom, and I said no.

Then they took me in a GMC vehicle. They handcuffed me with metal handcuffs on my hands and feet to a seat in the vehicle and covered my eyes. The vehicle stopped and soldiers removed my blindfold and removed the handcuffs on my hands. They took me to a room where there was a police officer. The officer showed me a document and demanded that I sign it and I signed. He told me that this meant that I would have a hearing tomorrow. Then he asked me if I have a relative I want to contact. I told him that I remember the phone number of a friend of mine. I gave him the number and he phoned him and told him that he is from the Israel Defense Forces and asked him to tell my family that I was in detention and then he ended the conversation. Then I asked him about my mother who was waiting for me in the hall at the Erez crossing and he told me that he didn’t know.

The soldiers handcuffed me again and covered my eyes and drove me somewhere else, I think it was an army outpost. The soldiers took me out, removed the handcuffs and the blindfold and took me to a room where there was a doctor who checked my blood pressure and examined my medical documents. He said that I suffer from acromegaly [excess growth of bones and connective tissue]. Then a policeman arrived and took the papers and my belongings, like my money and cell phone, and gave me a sheet of paper and then the interrogator arrived who had questioned me earlier at Erez. He asked the policeman to handcuff me and blindfold me because I was going back to Gaza.

The soldiers drove me to the Erez crossing. They gave me my bag and papers. I left the checkpoint and got to the Palestinian Liaison Office. I continued walking until I got to the Hamas checkpoint. They interrogated me, and I got home around 19:00.

I was very tired and my whole body hurt, because of all the riding around and walking from place to place. All those hours I also went without food or drink. I was also very sad and very worried because I could not get to the treatment and they held me for no reason. I was right back where I started. I am still hoping to be able to get to al-Makassed to receive treatment.

All he wanted to do, was go to his doctor's appointment, but you people had to fuck with him and deny him medical treatment.

The UN is not biased, you fuckers are!

Say, Bily, do you happen to also have the article about the Palestinian woman who was treated an Israeli hospital and then she came back to the hospital with a bomb belt on her to blow herself up along with the innocent people around here. Hopefully you will never be in a hospital with someone who wants to blow himself up there just to kill the patients in the waiting room.

 

[aris2chat]

This is why your checkpoints are criticized by the UN...

...you won't even let a sick boy go to the hospital for treatment.

Testimony: ISA prevents young man with rare disease from traveling to East Jerusalem for treatment

Early in February of this year I received a referral to al-Makassed Hospital in East Jerusalem with the PA’s coverage for treatment. I was given an appointment at al-Makassed for 19 February 2012. On 8 February 2012 we contacted the Division of Civil Affairs and submitted a request for a permit [to leave Gaza and reach East Jerusalem] for me and my mother.

On 16 February 2012, we were contacted by the Israel Security Agency. The ISA man asked me what I had and I told him that I have a tumor and that I have been ill since 2002 and that we submitted an application for a permit for the date of my hospital appointment at al-Makassed in Jerusalem.

On 18 February 2012 we were notified by the department for coordination of health matters in the Ministry for Civil Affairs that I had received a permit to enter Israel to get to al-Makassed Hospital together with my mother, Farida a-Taramsi, age 55, and that we had to be at the Erez crossing the next day, Sunday, at 07:30 in the morning.

The next morning we arrived at the checkpoint, and the Palestinian liaison coordinated our entry for us. At 09:00 we entered the Israeli side of the checkpoint. My mother and I gave our ID cards to the soldier at the counter and he instructed us to sit and wait. We waited half an hour and then a man in civilian clothes arrived and took me with my luggage to a room where I was searched and then they took me to another room, underground. I sat in the room. Interrogators who were in the room began questioning me. They asked me what my name is and what is the reason for my visit. I told them it was for treatment at al-Makassed. The soldiers asked me about my siblings and my friends. The interrogator asked me if I have any connection with armed groups. He wrote the names of the organizations on a piece of paper and told me to choose one of them. I told him that I have no connection with any of them. He asked me: “Do you shoot rockets?” I said no. He said: “Is this a table?” I said yes. He said: “Are you a terrorist?” I told him: I am not a terrorist.” I laughed because of his questions and he told me: “Let’s see you laugh in detention.” The interrogation lasted about an hour and a half. Then soldiers took me to another room where I waited at least two hours. A soldier came and asked me if I wanted to go to the bathroom, and I said no.

Then they took me in a GMC vehicle. They handcuffed me with metal handcuffs on my hands and feet to a seat in the vehicle and covered my eyes. The vehicle stopped and soldiers removed my blindfold and removed the handcuffs on my hands. They took me to a room where there was a police officer. The officer showed me a document and demanded that I sign it and I signed. He told me that this meant that I would have a hearing tomorrow. Then he asked me if I have a relative I want to contact. I told him that I remember the phone number of a friend of mine. I gave him the number and he phoned him and told him that he is from the Israel Defense Forces and asked him to tell my family that I was in detention and then he ended the conversation. Then I asked him about my mother who was waiting for me in the hall at the Erez crossing and he told me that he didn’t know.

The soldiers handcuffed me again and covered my eyes and drove me somewhere else, I think it was an army outpost. The soldiers took me out, removed the handcuffs and the blindfold and took me to a room where there was a doctor who checked my blood pressure and examined my medical documents. He said that I suffer from acromegaly [excess growth of bones and connective tissue]. Then a policeman arrived and took the papers and my belongings, like my money and cell phone, and gave me a sheet of paper and then the interrogator arrived who had questioned me earlier at Erez. He asked the policeman to handcuff me and blindfold me because I was going back to Gaza.

The soldiers drove me to the Erez crossing. They gave me my bag and papers. I left the checkpoint and got to the Palestinian Liaison Office. I continued walking until I got to the Hamas checkpoint. They interrogated me, and I got home around 19:00.

I was very tired and my whole body hurt, because of all the riding around and walking from place to place. All those hours I also went without food or drink. I was also very sad and very worried because I could not get to the treatment and they held me for no reason. I was right back where I started. I am still hoping to be able to get to al-Makassed to receive treatment.

All he wanted to do, was go to his doctor's appointment, but you people had to fuck with him and deny him medical treatment.

The UN is not biased, you fuckers are!

Kamel a-Taramsi was 24 at the time, his surprise of what happen made him sound like a child. Agromegaly is a form of gigantism where the pituitary produces to much growth hormones, usually caused by a benign tumor.

 

[Hossfly]

Checkpoints are a way of life everywhere in the world, especially since 9/11 but somehow this is an obstruction in Jerusalem

No they're not. Not in free countries.

Try walking into a military base. They were open till 9/11. Or a court house or government building. There are beaucoup check points everywhere you look. Oh, and even Outback.

 

[Sally]

Checkpoints are a way of life everywhere in the world, especially since 9/11 but somehow this is an obstruction in Jerusalem

No they're not. Not in free countries.

Try walking into a military base. They were open till 9/11. Or a court house or government building. There are beaucoup check points everywhere you look. Oh, and even Outback.

The line of cars is sure long at the Canadian and Mexican borders for people wanting to get into the U.S. You have to patiently wait a long time before you are allowed back into this country.

Not only do they really check your ID at military bases now, but many have concrete barriers that you have to zig zag around once you pass the guard gate. I noticed that a little cinderblock room was built with someone sitting inside with an M16 at the Naval Base at Port Hueneme in case someone tries to get pass the guards.

 

[Hossfly]

No they're not. Not in free countries.

Try walking into a military base. They were open till 9/11. Or a court house or government building. There are beaucoup check points everywhere you look. Oh, and even Outback.

The line of cars is sure long at the Canadian and Mexican borders for people wanting to get into the U.S. You have to patiently wait a long time before you are allowed back into this country.

Not only do they really check your ID at military bases now, but many have concrete barriers that you have to zig zag around once you pass the guard gate. I noticed that a little cinderblock room was built with someone sitting inside with an M16 at the Naval Base at Port Hueneme in case someone tries to get pass the guards.

The Naval Air Station here in Ft Worth has the same setup. The buildings even have truck barriers around them. Post office facilities all have an eye in the sky. Casinos. Stores have cameras everywhere same as banks. We are a spied upon society. Speed cameras. BTW I have discovered a way to beat any speed camera ever built. Just realized it the other day.