Ukrainian government passes law to be able to seize control of companies

[tinydancer]

The Verkhovna Rada has passed a law allowing the state to seize control of companies that it owns 51% shares in.

Before the limit was 60%. Needless to say, all hell's starting to break loose.

Fight between Kolomoisky and state turns ugly

 

[Sonc]

Starting? =))) The overthrow of the legitimate President, this is not the starting??
And when they withdraw money from credit cards of citizens, it was not the starting?

 

[tinydancer]

Starting? =))) The overthrow of the legitimate President, this is not the starting??
And when they withdraw money from credit cards of citizens, it was not the starting?

I'm talking about the discord that appears be turning into a revolt at the highest levels among the oligarchs.



I'm very aware of the coup and all those responsible for this madness that is now in play in Kiev. Sigh. This is unbelievable what we have witnessed.

 

[ESay]

The Verkhovna Rada has passed a law allowing the state to seize control of companies that it owns 51% shares in.

I think in this case it would be better to say ‘restore control of companies’. I think it is quite logical if a state, which owns a majority stake in some company, can control the company.
You maybe know that this law is supposed to be used in the case of Ukrnafta where oligarch Kolomoiskiy having 46% of the company was able to control the company’s activity entirely. If I remember correctly, the dividends have never been paid by him to the state.

 

[tinydancer]

The Verkhovna Rada has passed a law allowing the state to seize control of companies that it owns 51% shares in.

I think in this case it would be better to say ‘restore control of companies’. I think it is quite logical if a state, which owns a majority stake in some company, can control the company.
You maybe know that this law is supposed to be used in the case of Ukrnafta where oligarch Kolomoiskiy having 46% of the company was able to control the company’s activity entirely. If I remember correctly, the dividends have never been paid by him to the state.

This is a power play pure and simple.

The Verkhovna Rada has not just made this for one company. But for all companies changing the private/government partnerships forever.

I'm not buying into any fairy tale that dividends from the company have never been paid by him to the state. He would have been arrested years ago would he not? And the company seized?

And besides Kolomoisky had been a very valuable ally to Kiev over this past year keeping a lid on the rebels.

He is credited with taking firm action and keeping control of Dnipropetrovsk last year.

A power struggle is underway. No doubt about it.

 

[ESay]

The Verkhovna Rada has not just made this for one company. But for all companies changing the private/government partnerships forever.

Of course, the law will be applied to all companies. But Ukrnafta is the main reason why the bill has been approved.

I'm not buying into any fairy tale that dividends from the company have never been paid by him to the state. He would have been arrested years ago would he not?

Don’t forget that we are talking about Ukraine whose rulers were and are totally corrupt. I assume you have heard the word ‘otkat’.

And besides Kolomoisky had been a very valuable ally to Kiev over this past year keeping a lid on the rebels.

The Moor has done his duty, the Moor can go.

 

[Decus]

The Ukraine is where it is today because of endemic corruption. The biggest thief was the former president Yanukovych. Yanukovych stole billions from the country. When Ukrainians were fed up and could take no more they took to the streets. Yanukovych eventually fled to Russia given that he was a crony of Putin.

As it stands the IMF and others are prepared to lend upwards of 26 billion dollars to the Ukraine but only on the condition that Ukraine undergoes reform and addresses its long-standing problem of corruption. Irrespective of what triggered the action against Kolomoisky, it would have happened at some point in a Ukrainian effort to clean up corruption.

One can only hope that Ukrainians will continue to work towards a better future for their children.

Sad that the Russians aren't as eager to begin to address their very real and endemic problem of corruption.

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[ESay]

Some information related to the theme.
Ukraine s president sacks oligarch from post as regional governor World news The Guardian

 

[Decus]

Some information related to the theme.
Ukraine s president sacks oligarch from post as regional governor World news The Guardian

The article offers some interesting facts and a mention of how previous Ukrainian governments have dealt with corruption. From your link:

"Petro Poroshenko’s surprise move to remove Kolomoisky late on Tuesday night closes a chapter in the stand-off between the oligarch and the state that many fear could have dangerous repercussions. Successive Ukrainian governments have failed to deal with the influence of the oligarchs, instead merely shuffling them around and changing which individuals gain preferential treatment."

One can only hope that Poroshenko will be successful in the fight against corruption. Ukrainians deserve a better future.

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[Bleipriester]

The Ukraine is where it is today because of endemic corruption. The biggest thief was the former president Yanukovych. Yanukovych stole billions from the country. When Ukrainians were fed up and could take no more they took to the streets. Yanukovych eventually fled to Russia given that he was a crony of Putin.

As it stands the IMF and others are prepared to lend upwards of 26 billion dollars to the Ukraine but only on the condition that Ukraine undergoes reform and addresses its long-standing problem of corruption. Irrespective of what triggered the action against Kolomoisky, it would have happened at some point in a Ukrainian effort to clean up corruption.

One can only hope that Ukrainians will continue to work towards a better future for their children.

Sad that the Russians aren't as eager to begin to address their very real and endemic problem of corruption.

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You know that this is nonsense. The Ukrainian did not need to topple a government, because there were democratic elections.
The Nazi hordes, that killed many policemen, destroyed parts of Kiev and toppled the government were sent by powers abroad. Powers that knew, they could not setup their regime through elections.

 

[Decus]

The Ukraine is where it is today because of endemic corruption. The biggest thief was the former president Yanukovych. Yanukovych stole billions from the country. When Ukrainians were fed up and could take no more they took to the streets. Yanukovych eventually fled to Russia given that he was a crony of Putin.

As it stands the IMF and others are prepared to lend upwards of 26 billion dollars to the Ukraine but only on the condition that Ukraine undergoes reform and addresses its long-standing problem of corruption. Irrespective of what triggered the action against Kolomoisky, it would have happened at some point in a Ukrainian effort to clean up corruption.

One can only hope that Ukrainians will continue to work towards a better future for their children.

Sad that the Russians aren't as eager to begin to address their very real and endemic problem of corruption.

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You know that this is nonsense. The Ukrainian did not need to topple a government, because there were democratic elections.
The Nazi hordes, that killed many policemen, destroyed parts of Kiev and toppled the government were sent by powers abroad. Powers that knew, they could not setup their regime through elections.

Facts that you would prefer to ignore. Putin's thieving crony Yanukovych decided to drag the Ukraine further under Russian control by turning away from an EU agreement at the last minute and promising to join a "union" with Russia. Anyone who has lived in the former Soviet Union knew what that would mean. More oppression, corruption and limited prospects for the future. Ukrainians didn't want it and were fed up.

Those former Soviet Union nations that did join the EU enjoy a standard of living that does not exist in countries still under the the thumb of Russia. Russia has no industry to speak of and if it weren't for its energy reserves, it would be on the basis of economics, a third world nation. Sad but true. Corruption, no industry and prone to be ruled by dictators isn't a very promising future and Russia has only this to offer its neighbours.

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[Bleipriester]

The Ukraine is where it is today because of endemic corruption. The biggest thief was the former president Yanukovych. Yanukovych stole billions from the country. When Ukrainians were fed up and could take no more they took to the streets. Yanukovych eventually fled to Russia given that he was a crony of Putin.

As it stands the IMF and others are prepared to lend upwards of 26 billion dollars to the Ukraine but only on the condition that Ukraine undergoes reform and addresses its long-standing problem of corruption. Irrespective of what triggered the action against Kolomoisky, it would have happened at some point in a Ukrainian effort to clean up corruption.

One can only hope that Ukrainians will continue to work towards a better future for their children.

Sad that the Russians aren't as eager to begin to address their very real and endemic problem of corruption.

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You know that this is nonsense. The Ukrainian did not need to topple a government, because there were democratic elections.
The Nazi hordes, that killed many policemen, destroyed parts of Kiev and toppled the government were sent by powers abroad. Powers that knew, they could not setup their regime through elections.

Facts that you would prefer to ignore. Putin's thieving crony Yanukovych decided to drag the Ukraine further under Russian control by turning away from an EU agreement at the last minute and promising to join a "union" with Russia. Anyone who has lived in the former Soviet Union knew what that would mean. More oppression, corruption and limited prospects for the future. Ukrainians didn't want it and were fed up.

Those former Soviet Union nations that did join the EU enjoy a standard of living that does not exist in countries still under the the thumb of Russia. Russia has no industry to speak of and if it weren't for its energy reserves, it would be on the basis of economics, a third world nation. Sad but true. Corruption, no industry and prone to be ruled by dictators isn't a very promising future and Russia has only this to offer its neighbours.

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I know that Ukraine refused to sign the association agreement. No lesson required. There is nothing evil about it. The Ukrainian economy interweaves with the Russian and not with the EU economies.

 

[Decus]

The Ukraine is where it is today because of endemic corruption. The biggest thief was the former president Yanukovych. Yanukovych stole billions from the country. When Ukrainians were fed up and could take no more they took to the streets. Yanukovych eventually fled to Russia given that he was a crony of Putin.

As it stands the IMF and others are prepared to lend upwards of 26 billion dollars to the Ukraine but only on the condition that Ukraine undergoes reform and addresses its long-standing problem of corruption. Irrespective of what triggered the action against Kolomoisky, it would have happened at some point in a Ukrainian effort to clean up corruption.

One can only hope that Ukrainians will continue to work towards a better future for their children.

Sad that the Russians aren't as eager to begin to address their very real and endemic problem of corruption.

.

You know that this is nonsense. The Ukrainian did not need to topple a government, because there were democratic elections.
The Nazi hordes, that killed many policemen, destroyed parts of Kiev and toppled the government were sent by powers abroad. Powers that knew, they could not setup their regime through elections.

Facts that you would prefer to ignore. Putin's thieving crony Yanukovych decided to drag the Ukraine further under Russian control by turning away from an EU agreement at the last minute and promising to join a "union" with Russia. Anyone who has lived in the former Soviet Union knew what that would mean. More oppression, corruption and limited prospects for the future. Ukrainians didn't want it and were fed up.

Those former Soviet Union nations that did join the EU enjoy a standard of living that does not exist in countries still under the the thumb of Russia. Russia has no industry to speak of and if it weren't for its energy reserves, it would be on the basis of economics, a third world nation. Sad but true. Corruption, no industry and prone to be ruled by dictators isn't a very promising future and Russia has only this to offer its neighbours.

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I know that Ukraine refused to sign the association agreement. No lesson required. There is nothing evil about it. The Ukrainian economy interweaves with the Russian and not with the EU economies.

Ukrainians had witnessed the success of former Soviet nations that had joined the west. Old ties with Russia based on agriculture and armaments didn't offer the same prospects for a better future than that found to the west.

Putin was pushing Yanukovych to ignore Ukrainian public sentiment because continued life under Russian domination had nothing to offer Ukrainians.

Every country save the odd dictatorship wants little or nothing to do with Russia. Central Asian nations like Kazakhstan have pretty much joined the Chinese camp, which has really irked Putin (if interested you should look up China's Silk Road investments). Moldova and Georgia have shown little interest in Putin's Eurasian Union and Belarus seems to be in conflict most of the time with their Russian neighbours.

Countries are not so much interwoven with Russia as they are under threat from Russia. Understandable that the Ukrainians refused to to go quietly into the night.

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[Bleipriester]

The Ukraine is where it is today because of endemic corruption. The biggest thief was the former president Yanukovych. Yanukovych stole billions from the country. When Ukrainians were fed up and could take no more they took to the streets. Yanukovych eventually fled to Russia given that he was a crony of Putin.

As it stands the IMF and others are prepared to lend upwards of 26 billion dollars to the Ukraine but only on the condition that Ukraine undergoes reform and addresses its long-standing problem of corruption. Irrespective of what triggered the action against Kolomoisky, it would have happened at some point in a Ukrainian effort to clean up corruption.

One can only hope that Ukrainians will continue to work towards a better future for their children.

Sad that the Russians aren't as eager to begin to address their very real and endemic problem of corruption.

.

You know that this is nonsense. The Ukrainian did not need to topple a government, because there were democratic elections.
The Nazi hordes, that killed many policemen, destroyed parts of Kiev and toppled the government were sent by powers abroad. Powers that knew, they could not setup their regime through elections.

Facts that you would prefer to ignore. Putin's thieving crony Yanukovych decided to drag the Ukraine further under Russian control by turning away from an EU agreement at the last minute and promising to join a "union" with Russia. Anyone who has lived in the former Soviet Union knew what that would mean. More oppression, corruption and limited prospects for the future. Ukrainians didn't want it and were fed up.

Those former Soviet Union nations that did join the EU enjoy a standard of living that does not exist in countries still under the the thumb of Russia. Russia has no industry to speak of and if it weren't for its energy reserves, it would be on the basis of economics, a third world nation. Sad but true. Corruption, no industry and prone to be ruled by dictators isn't a very promising future and Russia has only this to offer its neighbours.

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I know that Ukraine refused to sign the association agreement. No lesson required. There is nothing evil about it. The Ukrainian economy interweaves with the Russian and not with the EU economies.

Ukrainians had witnessed the success of former Soviet nations that had joined the west. Old ties with Russia based on agriculture and armaments didn't offer the same prospects for a better future than that found to the west.

Putin was pushing Yanukovych to ignore Ukrainian public sentiment because continued life under Russian domination had nothing to offer Ukrainians.

Every country save the odd dictatorship wants little or nothing to do with Russia. Central Asian nations like Kazakhstan have pretty much joined the Chinese camp, which has really irked Putin (if interested you should look up China's Silk Road investments). Moldova and Georgia have shown little interest in Putin's Eurasian Union and Belarus seems to be in conflict most of the time with their Russian neighbours.

Countries are not so much interwoven with Russia as they are under threat from Russia. Understandable that the Ukrainians refused to to go quietly into the night.

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I don´t know where you live but be sure, the EU has not much to offer. Russian natural resource´s prices will increase and the crazy freaks in Kiev put incompatible fuel rods into Europe´s largest nuclear power plant.
And it was not "the Ukrainians" that went to the streets but the Ukrainian Nazis. Ignore that fact and prove your incredibility.

 

[Decus]

The Ukraine is where it is today because of endemic corruption. The biggest thief was the former president Yanukovych. Yanukovych stole billions from the country. When Ukrainians were fed up and could take no more they took to the streets. Yanukovych eventually fled to Russia given that he was a crony of Putin.

As it stands the IMF and others are prepared to lend upwards of 26 billion dollars to the Ukraine but only on the condition that Ukraine undergoes reform and addresses its long-standing problem of corruption. Irrespective of what triggered the action against Kolomoisky, it would have happened at some point in a Ukrainian effort to clean up corruption.

One can only hope that Ukrainians will continue to work towards a better future for their children.

Sad that the Russians aren't as eager to begin to address their very real and endemic problem of corruption.

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You know that this is nonsense. The Ukrainian did not need to topple a government, because there were democratic elections.
The Nazi hordes, that killed many policemen, destroyed parts of Kiev and toppled the government were sent by powers abroad. Powers that knew, they could not setup their regime through elections.

Facts that you would prefer to ignore. Putin's thieving crony Yanukovych decided to drag the Ukraine further under Russian control by turning away from an EU agreement at the last minute and promising to join a "union" with Russia. Anyone who has lived in the former Soviet Union knew what that would mean. More oppression, corruption and limited prospects for the future. Ukrainians didn't want it and were fed up.

Those former Soviet Union nations that did join the EU enjoy a standard of living that does not exist in countries still under the the thumb of Russia. Russia has no industry to speak of and if it weren't for its energy reserves, it would be on the basis of economics, a third world nation. Sad but true. Corruption, no industry and prone to be ruled by dictators isn't a very promising future and Russia has only this to offer its neighbours.

.

I know that Ukraine refused to sign the association agreement. No lesson required. There is nothing evil about it. The Ukrainian economy interweaves with the Russian and not with the EU economies.

Ukrainians had witnessed the success of former Soviet nations that had joined the west. Old ties with Russia based on agriculture and armaments didn't offer the same prospects for a better future than that found to the west.

Putin was pushing Yanukovych to ignore Ukrainian public sentiment because continued life under Russian domination had nothing to offer Ukrainians.

Every country save the odd dictatorship wants little or nothing to do with Russia. Central Asian nations like Kazakhstan have pretty much joined the Chinese camp, which has really irked Putin (if interested you should look up China's Silk Road investments). Moldova and Georgia have shown little interest in Putin's Eurasian Union and Belarus seems to be in conflict most of the time with their Russian neighbours.

Countries are not so much interwoven with Russia as they are under threat from Russia. Understandable that the Ukrainians refused to to go quietly into the night.

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I don´t know where you live but be sure, the EU has not much to offer. Russian natural resource´s prices will increase and the crazy freaks in Kiev put incompatible fuel rods into Europe´s largest nuclear power plant.
And it was not "the Ukrainians" that went to the streets but the Ukrainian Nazis. Ignore that fact and prove your incredibility.

In 1986 Chernobyl was still part of the Soviet Union. Are you trying to say that the disaster is proof that Ukrainians are a danger to others? If so you are expressing an irrational dislike of Ukrainians and it explains your view of present events.

The fact is that Ukrainians wanted a better life and that the success of new member EU states pointed to this being possible and was motivation to aspire for something more. The simple facts are that salaries are higher and life in the EU seems to be governed by the rule of law and not subject to the chronic corruption found in some countries in Eastern Europe.

As an independent and sovereign country, Ukrainians staged an Orange Revolution in 2004 that was meant to drive out corruption but sadly that failed much to the frustration of the Ukrainian people. Corruption in fact got worse under Yanukovych and by the end of 2013 Ukrainians were fed-up. Given that they couldn't trust their own politicians to reform the country many felt that closer relations with the EU could help to assure that desired reforms were carried out and that the Ukraine could then become a stronger and more competitive nation..

I am not denying that ultra-nationalists participated in the revolt, however they were a minority of the participants at Euromaidan in Kiev. Russian propaganda found advantage in crafting the story that it was a "Nazi" uprising and went back to the history books to prove that some Ukrainians had even sided with the Nazis during WWII (Bandera), to give credence to the Russian claims.

The nationalist party you seem to feel is controlling the Ukraine is called Svoboda. The fact is that these nationalists received less than five (5) percent of the vote in the last parliamentary elections in 2014:

"In the late October 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election the party won constituency 6 seats; the party came 0,29% short to overcome the 5% threshold to win seats on the nationwide list.[12] The parties election results thus halved compared with the 2012 election because of negative assessments of the activities of the local governments that included Svoboda members."

In Svoboda's supposed stronghold it didn't win anything:

"In its former stronghold Lviv Oblast Svoboda won no constituencies."

Svoboda political party - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France's National Front nationalist party today receives over twenty (20) percent of the vote in local and national elections.

Germany's Alternative for Germany (AfD) is getting over ten (10) percent of the vote and has even won seats in the European Parliament.

If you are worried about the Nazis coming to power you can look a lot closer to home.

I have to wonder if you are East German. There are some that miss the drab, dark days of the Soviet Union but the vast majority wouldn't go back if given the choice.

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[Decus]

Here is what an expert has to say about the nationalists in the Ukraine:

"Swedish academic Pers Anders Rudling, an expert on the rise of the far-right in Ukraine, told us the government had given its "semi-legal blessing" to various volunteer groups out of desperation, when it became obvious that the country's army was in "a miserable state" and was unable to fight the separatists effectively."


"While Kiev is prepared to tolerate the presence of radicals among the ranks of the fighters, there is a sense that if the far right could not attract enough popular support to challenge the mainstream parties during the fighting of the last year, it probably never will."


""Given the situation that Ukraine is in, it's surprising that the far right did not do better in the elections. They could very easily have drifted into the kind of quite hard right-wing alliances that we saw during in both Serbia and Croatia. It's actually quite remarkable.""

One year on where are the far-right forces of Ukraine - Channel 4 News

Ukrainians are not the nationalists some people would like to portray them as. Ukrainians are simply fighting for a better life and not to return to the era and lifestyle of the former Soviet Union.

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[Decus]

Euromaiden in Kiev represented many different views but people were fed-up after trying for almost a decade to clean-up the corruption that was so toxic to the country. Here is a view of Euromaidan from a Canadian perspective:

"But despite the size of the demonstrations in Kyiv, the opposition remains hydra-headed, only united over two things: the wish to sign the European deal and to get rid of Yanukovych."

"These were the same objectives nine years ago, and that ended badly."

Russia pushes Viktor Yanukovych to stare down protests as EU puts Ukraine deal on ice - World - CBC News

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[Bleipriester]

In 1986 Chernobyl was still part of the Soviet Union. Are you trying to say that the disaster is proof that Ukrainians are a danger to others? If so you are expressing an irrational dislike of Ukrainians and it explains your view of present events.

Can you put your shit into the toilet, please?

The fact is that Ukrainians wanted a better life and that the success of new member EU states pointed to this being possible and was motivation to aspire for something more. The simple facts are that salaries are higher and life in the EU seems to be governed by the rule of law and not subject to the chronic corruption found in some countries in Eastern Europe.

As an independent and sovereign country, Ukrainians staged an Orange Revolution in 2004 that was meant to drive out corruption but sadly that failed much to the frustration of the Ukrainian people. Corruption in fact got worse under Yanukovych and by the end of 2013 Ukrainians were fed-up. Given that they couldn't trust their own politicians to reform the country many felt that closer relations with the EU could help to assure that desired reforms were carried out and that the Ukraine could then become a stronger and more competitive nation..

I am not denying that ultra-nationalists participated in the revolt, however they were a minority of the participants at Euromaidan in Kiev. Russian propaganda found advantage in crafting the story that it was a "Nazi" uprising and went back to the history books to prove that some Ukrainians had even sided with the Nazis during WWII (Bandera), to give credence to the Russian claims.

The nationalist party you seem to feel is controlling the Ukraine is called Svoboda. The fact is that these nationalists received less than five (5) percent of the vote in the last parliamentary elections in 2014:

"In the late October 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election the party won constituency 6 seats; the party came 0,29% short to overcome the 5% threshold to win seats on the nationwide list.[12] The parties election results thus halved compared with the 2012 election because of negative assessments of the activities of the local governments that included Svoboda members."

In Svoboda's supposed stronghold it didn't win anything:

"In its former stronghold Lviv Oblast Svoboda won no constituencies."

Svoboda political party - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France's National Front nationalist party today receives over twenty (20) percent of the vote in local and national elections.

Germany's Alternative for Germany (AfD) is getting over ten (10) percent of the vote and has even won seats in the European Parliament.

If you are worried about the Nazis coming to power you can look a lot closer to home.

I have to wonder if you are East German. There are some that miss the drab, dark days of the Soviet Union but the vast majority wouldn't go back if given the choice.

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We know that Svoboda was part of the initial regime and because it is a Nazi party, that destroyed the stability in Ukraine with the West´s help, it suffered a decline in votes quickly. That does not change that Svoboda and its Nazis were the "revolution".
Ukraine s Nazi party in the government. US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Decus]

In 1986 Chernobyl was still part of the Soviet Union. Are you trying to say that the disaster is proof that Ukrainians are a danger to others? If so you are expressing an irrational dislike of Ukrainians and it explains your view of present events.

Can you put your shit into the toilet, please?

The fact is that Ukrainians wanted a better life and that the success of new member EU states pointed to this being possible and was motivation to aspire for something more. The simple facts are that salaries are higher and life in the EU seems to be governed by the rule of law and not subject to the chronic corruption found in some countries in Eastern Europe.

As an independent and sovereign country, Ukrainians staged an Orange Revolution in 2004 that was meant to drive out corruption but sadly that failed much to the frustration of the Ukrainian people. Corruption in fact got worse under Yanukovych and by the end of 2013 Ukrainians were fed-up. Given that they couldn't trust their own politicians to reform the country many felt that closer relations with the EU could help to assure that desired reforms were carried out and that the Ukraine could then become a stronger and more competitive nation..

I am not denying that ultra-nationalists participated in the revolt, however they were a minority of the participants at Euromaidan in Kiev. Russian propaganda found advantage in crafting the story that it was a "Nazi" uprising and went back to the history books to prove that some Ukrainians had even sided with the Nazis during WWII (Bandera), to give credence to the Russian claims.

The nationalist party you seem to feel is controlling the Ukraine is called Svoboda. The fact is that these nationalists received less than five (5) percent of the vote in the last parliamentary elections in 2014:

"In the late October 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election the party won constituency 6 seats; the party came 0,29% short to overcome the 5% threshold to win seats on the nationwide list.[12] The parties election results thus halved compared with the 2012 election because of negative assessments of the activities of the local governments that included Svoboda members."

In Svoboda's supposed stronghold it didn't win anything:

"In its former stronghold Lviv Oblast Svoboda won no constituencies."

Svoboda political party - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France's National Front nationalist party today receives over twenty (20) percent of the vote in local and national elections.

Germany's Alternative for Germany (AfD) is getting over ten (10) percent of the vote and has even won seats in the European Parliament.

If you are worried about the Nazis coming to power you can look a lot closer to home.

I have to wonder if you are East German. There are some that miss the drab, dark days of the Soviet Union but the vast majority wouldn't go back if given the choice.

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We know that Svoboda was part of the initial regime and because it is a Nazi party, that destroyed the stability in Ukraine with the West´s help, it suffered a decline in votes quickly. That does not change that Svoboda and its Nazis were the "revolution".
Ukraine s Nazi party in the government. US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

If you weren't talking about Chernobyl when you wrote in post #14: "Russian natural resource´s prices will increase and the crazy freaks in Kiev put incompatible fuel rods into Europe´s largest nuclear power plant.", what were you referring to? What crazy freaks in Kiev are you talking about and where is this nuclear power plant?

Sorry but what "destroyed the stability" as you say, was the failed attempt to address corruption in the 2004 Orange Revolution and that over the following nine (9) years corruption only got worse under Yanukovych (he literally stole billions from the Ukraine). It is understandable that Ukrainians were fed-up and took to the streets to demand change.

As we both agree, Svoboda represents few Ukrainians and to continue to try and portray the present government as "Nazi" is very dishonest.

Ukrainians are a good people that have the courage to try and create a better country for their children. Don't you wish that citizens everywhere would rise up and throw out their corrupt politicians?

By the way, you never told me what part of East Germany you are from. Do you miss the old Soviet Union?

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[ESay]

Putin's thieving crony Yanukovych decided to drag the Ukraine further under Russian control by turning away from an EU agreement at the last minute and promising to join a "union" with Russia. Anyone who has lived in the former Soviet Union knew what that would mean. More oppression, corruption and limited prospects for the future.

It is impossible to say better.

France's National Front nationalist party today receives over twenty (20) percent of the vote in local and national elections.
Germany's Alternative for Germany (AfD) is getting over ten (10) percent of the vote and has even won seats in the European Parliament.
If you are worried about the Nazis coming to power you can look a lot closer to home.

In addition to that I can say about Russian International Conservative Forum held in St. Petersburg on March 22. It was organised by Rodina Party whose head Dmitry Rogozin is deputy prime minister of Russia. The forum gathered a bunch of representatives of far-right parties from all over Europe. Among them there were Greece’s Gold Dawn, the National Democratic Party of Germany, and the Freedom Party of Austria. Some dubbed the forum ‘The Congress of Nazis’.
But everyone cares only about Ukrainian Nazis. Of course, Russian Nazis and those who come to Russia at their invitation are good guys.