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Ukraine violates Minsk agreements again - war is coming?

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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear
 
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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

no, you are trying to substitute definitions, but I separated extreme nationalists of post-coup first Ukrainian government from proper Nazis.

They were 2 close, but still different forces first, but since 2014 Ukraine as a state increasingly becomes a pure Nazi state, I gave examles.

and being anti-Russian still doesn't make a Nazi non-Nazi :)
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Notorious Nazi batalion Azov, perpetrator of numerous war crimes, recognized as Nazi even by the US. Which still did not prevent it from becoming a part of Interior ministry.


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Nazi servicemen of Ministry of Internal affairs of Ukraine posing in the lobby of Ministry of interior.

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One of Nazi leaders of the coup Tyagnibok meeting McCaine during the coup in Kiev. McCaine is addressing the crown calling to overthrow the president (if you want to recall Russiagate standards of "intervention" :lol:)
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A Nazi leader Tyagnibok with Nuland and Biden

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Just because some people are Nazis, doesn't make the whole system Nazi.

lol, do you say that just because some Germans were Nazi in 1933-45 it doesn't make Hitler's Germany Nazi? :)

I remind you, the photos I posted are not of marginal Nazis in secret hideouts, it is photis of official Ukrainian military structures financed by the government and Ukrainian government employees in an official ministry

Ukraine is a Nazi STATE because it proclaims Nazi principles, promotesNazi politicians and persons, glorifies Nazi entities, war criminals and Nazi period of its History, and pursues Nazy policy, just like in case of Hitler's Germany.
 

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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
 

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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

no, you are trying to substitute definitions, but I separated extreme nationalists of post-coup first Ukrainian government from proper Nazis.

They were 2 close, but still different forces first, but since 2014 Ukraine as a state increasingly becomes a pure Nazi state, I gave examles.

and being anti-Russian still doesn't make a Nazi non-Nazi :)
*
Notorious Nazi batalion Azov, perpetrator of numerous war crimes, recognized as Nazi even by the US. Which still did not prevent it from becoming a part of Interior ministry.


ukraine-neo-nazi.jpg


Nazi servicemen of Ministry of Internal affairs of Ukraine posing in the lobby of Ministry of interior.

136952f03ac2d599ca9822ca5b6bb097.jpg


One of Nazi leaders of the coup Tyagnibok meeting McCaine during the coup in Kiev. McCaine is addressing the crown calling to overthrow the president (if you want to recall Russiagate standards of "intervention" :lol:)
DlvxItMW4AAz0YP.jpg

A Nazi leader Tyagnibok with Nuland and Biden

d5u9qpcwkaaysxo-1.jpg


5a8c512fdda4c83a148b45b1.jpg

Just because some people are Nazis, doesn't make the whole system Nazi.

lol, do you say that just because some Germans were Nazi in 1933-45 it doesn't make Hitler's Germany Nazi? :)

I remind you, the photos I posted are not of marginal Nazis in secret hideouts, it is photis of official Ukrainian military structures financed by the government and Ukrainian government employees in an official ministry

Ukraine is a Nazi STATE because it proclaims Nazi principles, promotesNazi politicians and persons, glorifies Nazi entities, war criminals and Nazi period of its History, and pursues Nazy policy, just like in case of Hitler's Germany.

This is getting very tiring.

Hitler was the GERMAN CHANCELLOR. He was a Nazi. The Nazi Party RAN GERMANY from 1933 to 1945.

The Ukraine has had four presidents since the start of Russia's annexation of the Crimea.

All four of them from different parties. None of them were the Nazi Party, and none of them were even remotely far right.
 
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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
lol, I havs just proved it.

You just seem to be a politician to recognize it:)

politician.jpg
 

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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
lol, I havs just proved it.

You just seem to be a politician to recognize it:)

politician.jpg

Bye
 
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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
lol, I havs just proved it.

You just seem to be a politician to recognize it:)

politician.jpg

Bye

Americans are bad fighters/soldiers, they always retreat, this is why they always attack only underdeveloped, small and weak nations, which for sure can't respond. :lol:
best wishes
 
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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

no, you are trying to substitute definitions, but I separated extreme nationalists of post-coup first Ukrainian government from proper Nazis.

They were 2 close, but still different forces first, but since 2014 Ukraine as a state increasingly becomes a pure Nazi state, I gave examles.

and being anti-Russian still doesn't make a Nazi non-Nazi :)
*
Notorious Nazi batalion Azov, perpetrator of numerous war crimes, recognized as Nazi even by the US. Which still did not prevent it from becoming a part of Interior ministry.


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Nazi servicemen of Ministry of Internal affairs of Ukraine posing in the lobby of Ministry of interior.

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One of Nazi leaders of the coup Tyagnibok meeting McCaine during the coup in Kiev. McCaine is addressing the crown calling to overthrow the president (if you want to recall Russiagate standards of "intervention" :lol:)
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A Nazi leader Tyagnibok with Nuland and Biden

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Just because some people are Nazis, doesn't make the whole system Nazi.

lol, do you say that just because some Germans were Nazi in 1933-45 it doesn't make Hitler's Germany Nazi? :)

I remind you, the photos I posted are not of marginal Nazis in secret hideouts, it is photis of official Ukrainian military structures financed by the government and Ukrainian government employees in an official ministry

Ukraine is a Nazi STATE because it proclaims Nazi principles, promotesNazi politicians and persons, glorifies Nazi entities, war criminals and Nazi period of its History, and pursues Nazy policy, just like in case of Hitler's Germany.

This is getting very tiring.

Hitler was the GERMAN CHANCELLOR. He was a Nazi. The Nazi Party RAN GERMANY from 1933 to 1945.

The Ukraine has had four presidents since the start of Russia's annexation of the Crimea.

All four of them from different parties. None of them were the Nazi Party, and none of them were even remotely far right.

Hitler did not call himself a Nazi, just like Ukrainian leaders, he was a National-Socialist.
Which doesn't prevent him from being a Nazi, just like with Ukraine.
You don't nesessarily have to self declare yourself a Nazi to be one.
And there were only 2 presidents in Ukraine after the coup.
and there are more than 2, probably around a dozen of Nazi parties in Ukraine, Fuhrers multiply, with opposition parties being banned

it is only in the US you have a fake 2 party system which until Trump did not differ much and represented the same shadow deep state and big money.
 
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Bet your media source doesn't keep you informed to know these facts.
Ask yourself why?
Because none of your BULLSHIT is true!
 

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Bet your media source doesn't keep you informed to know these facts.
Ask yourself why?
Because none of your BULLSHIT is true!
Your subjective opinion based on being controlled by your media source, so you are agreeing with me, as we all know 2 negatives = a positive.
When your media source lies to you or spins and play word games to confuse you or they censor out info that hurts their narrative they are shaping, then when you are opposing that which is held back from you as being b.s.=a positive (a truth witheld from you for strategic reason).
They (the media) even get Biden to Parrot their narrative even when it's exposed as wrong info and fake news (like the GA water issue).
 

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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
lol, I havs just proved it.

You just seem to be a politician to recognize it:)

politician.jpg

Bye

Americans are bad fighters/soldiers, they always retreat, this is why they always attack only underdeveloped, small and weak nations, which for sure can't respond. :lol:
best wishes

Tell that to the Russians that attacked the Americans in Syria. Not one single casualty on the US side and over 300 dead on the Russians side.
 
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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
lol, I havs just proved it.

You just seem to be a politician to recognize it:)

politician.jpg

Bye

Americans are bad fighters/soldiers, they always retreat, this is why they always attack only underdeveloped, small and weak nations, which for sure can't respond. :lol:
best wishes

Tell that to the Russians that attacked the Americans in Syria. Not one single casualty on the US side and over 300 dead on the Russians side.

there were several Russians and mostly Syrians, they were not Russian troops but private contractors and had nothing to do with Russian army.
they had no anti-aircraft defence which made them exactly the case I mention - American canattack only defenceless ones.

you can't fight even Vietnamese and Afghanis, let alone a real army.
 

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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
lol, I havs just proved it.

You just seem to be a politician to recognize it:)

politician.jpg

Bye

Americans are bad fighters/soldiers, they always retreat, this is why they always attack only underdeveloped, small and weak nations, which for sure can't respond. :lol:
best wishes

Tell that to the Russians that attacked the Americans in Syria. Not one single casualty on the US side and over 300 dead on the Russians side.

there were several Russians and mostly Syrians, they were not Russian troops but private contractors and had nothing to do with Russian army.
they had no anti-aircraft defence which made them exactly the case I mention - American canattack only defenceless ones.

you can't fight even Vietnamese and Afghanis, let alone a real army.

Funny how the uniforms were Russian as were the weapons. Of course, they got their butts kicked so bad that the you just have to save face. Do it again and you get to lose your face along with your ass.
 
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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
lol, I havs just proved it.

You just seem to be a politician to recognize it:)

politician.jpg

Bye

Americans are bad fighters/soldiers, they always retreat, this is why they always attack only underdeveloped, small and weak nations, which for sure can't respond. :lol:
best wishes

Tell that to the Russians that attacked the Americans in Syria. Not one single casualty on the US side and over 300 dead on the Russians side.

there were several Russians and mostly Syrians, they were not Russian troops but private contractors and had nothing to do with Russian army.
they had no anti-aircraft defence which made them exactly the case I mention - American canattack only defenceless ones.

you can't fight even Vietnamese and Afghanis, let alone a real army.

Funny how the uniforms were Russian as were the weapons. Of course, they got their butts kicked so bad that the you just have to save face. Do it again and you get to lose your face along with your ass.

you seem to be eager to test Russia's resolve in Ukraine, let us see if the US intervienes when Russian troops destroy Ukrainian agressors :)
 
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today Biden called Ukrainian president Zelensky.

A couple of days ago US secretary of defence promised military support to Ukraine.

It seems after such encouragement Ukraine starts assault in republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.

if they break frontline Russia will have no other choice but to protect civilians.
 

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Ukrainian army is shelling the city of Lugansk right now.


Two things,.
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If they ARE shelling that place, I suggest you Russians pull back along with your mercenaries and let them have it. It's Ukrainian Property after all.

And I question the minute 1 and 2 seconds. I heard the little Video sound in there. It's probably from a friggin video game.
 
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Ukrainian army is shelling the city of Lugansk right now.


Two things,.
\
If they ARE shelling that place, I suggest you Russians pull back along with your mercenaries and let them have it. It's Ukrainian Property after all.

And I question the minute 1 and 2 seconds. I heard the little Video sound in there. It's probably from a friggin video game.

on 0.12 it's sms, there are no sounds on 1.02

exactly, Ukrainian, and Ukrainian republics of Donetsk and Lugansk will liberate Ukraine from US sponsored Nazi puppet regime... :)
 

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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.

lol, you can turn to your president, he will tell you how he fired general prosecutor of Ukraine :)
generally the US doesn't just give orders, it appoints Ukrainian prime ministers, ministers etc.


just yesterday US defence secretary assured Ukraine that the US will back any military action of Ukraine against Russia.
i. e. it means giving green light for Ukrainian assault against Donbass republics, which will inevitably evolve into Ukraine-Russia war since we have 400 000 Russian citizens there and we are not going to allow another NATO style (in Croatia against Serbians) ethnic cleansing.

and which will probably evolve into Rusia-NATO war, probably nuclear

Well, you can say this. But you can't prove it. Which is the whole point of discussions like this.

But then I guess you don't want to prove it, you want to try and plant a seed in people's minds. Modern warfare.

I doubt many will care though.
lol, I havs just proved it.

You just seem to be a politician to recognize it:)

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Bye

Americans are bad fighters/soldiers, they always retreat, this is why they always attack only underdeveloped, small and weak nations, which for sure can't respond. :lol:
best wishes

Tell that to the Russians that attacked the Americans in Syria. Not one single casualty on the US side and over 300 dead on the Russians side.

there were several Russians and mostly Syrians, they were not Russian troops but private contractors and had nothing to do with Russian army.
they had no anti-aircraft defence which made them exactly the case I mention - American canattack only defenceless ones.

you can't fight even Vietnamese and Afghanis, let alone a real army.

Funny how the uniforms were Russian as were the weapons. Of course, they got their butts kicked so bad that the you just have to save face. Do it again and you get to lose your face along with your ass.

you seem to be eager to test Russia's resolve in Ukraine, let us see if the US intervienes when Russian troops destroy Ukrainian agressors :)

Nato will have no choice. And the US is part of NATO. The UN is supposed to do something but they won't. But if you start pouring over the border with military regulars and mechanized forces, look for most of the Baltic Countries to come in and fight against you. They know if Ukraine falls, they are next. And so does NATO.

In the meantime, NATO countries will continue to build up Ukraine where it can defend itself. At some point, Ukraine will start the push to get you Bolshevics out of Ukraine. And you won't have the suicidal nerve to bring in the heavies. Otherwise, China just might take back some of it's property on the Easter Side. Not one US Life will need to be sacrificed. But there will be a lot of dead Russians.
 

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Ukrainian army is shelling the city of Lugansk right now.


Two things,.
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If they ARE shelling that place, I suggest you Russians pull back along with your mercenaries and let them have it. It's Ukrainian Property after all.

And I question the minute 1 and 2 seconds. I heard the little Video sound in there. It's probably from a friggin video game.

on 0.12 it's sms, there are no sounds on 1.02

It's in there. Sorry, no gotcha's allowed on this one. There is a video game sound just before the sound stops.
 

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