Ukraine violates Minsk agreements again - war is coming?

mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

Funny you should mention that. The US doesn't have any US bases in Ukraine. Not one. We don't even have Fighters flying over Ukraine. But that could change quickly.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

Funny you should mention that. The US doesn't have any US bases in Ukraine. Not one. We don't even have Fighters flying over Ukraine. But that could change quickly.

I didn't say US has bases in Ukraine, I said the whole Ukraine became a US base.
and you are corect, spy drones are flying all the time.

it can cgange approximatwly as quickly as US trops can start sending coffins home :)

Meddling in civil war in Ukraine is a dangerous thing, American occupiers will be fighting guerillar war along with regular one...
 
Ukrainian parliament again violated Minsk agreements rejecting to recognize rebels of Donetsk and Lugansk republics as a side in the conflict and a counterpart of peace talks.

along with this it declared Russia as an agressor - again - despite still having diplomatic relations, massive trade etc. with it.

it demands to withdraw mythical "Russian troops" despite OSCE finds no such troops.

generally all this looks like creation of nesessary diplomatic and legal environment to shift the blame to Russia when Ukraine restarts the conflict with assault on Donetsk, Lugansk and probably Crimea.

obviously no such move is possible without Washington masters' approval...

so, Ukraine is used by the US to create a war on Russian bordes, with possuble annihilation of Ukraine but who cares if Russia is weakened enough not to be able to help China in its coming war with America...


Russia invades using agitators to cover for them.......Russia is the problem, not Ukraine.
 
Ukrainian parliament again violated Minsk agreements rejecting to recognize rebels of Donetsk and Lugansk republics as a side in the conflict and a counterpart of peace talks.

along with this it declared Russia as an agressor - again - despite still having diplomatic relations, massive trade etc. with it.

it demands to withdraw mythical "Russian troops" despite OSCE finds no such troops.

generally all this looks like creation of nesessary diplomatic and legal environment to shift the blame to Russia when Ukraine restarts the conflict with assault on Donetsk, Lugansk and probably Crimea.

obviously no such move is possible without Washington masters' approval...

so, Ukraine is used by the US to create a war on Russian bordes, with possuble annihilation of Ukraine but who cares if Russia is weakened enough not to be able to help China in its coming war with America...


Russia invades using agitators to cover for them.......Russia is the problem, not Ukraine.
Everybody invades using agitators to cover for them. From the Russian point of view, the USA and the EU are the problem, not Ukraine.
Zelenskiy says that Ukraine want to be with the West, Medvedchuk says that Ukraine want to be with the Russia. It's normal.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

Funny you should mention that. The US doesn't have any US bases in Ukraine. Not one. We don't even have Fighters flying over Ukraine. But that could change quickly.

I didn't say US has bases in Ukraine, I said the whole Ukraine became a US base.
and you are corect, spy drones are flying all the time.

it can cgange approximatwly as quickly as US trops can start sending coffins home :)

Meddling in civil war in Ukraine is a dangerous thing, American occupiers will be fighting guerillar war along with regular one...
It's a moot question. If the USA is determined to fight against regular Russian forces, and Russia is determined to fight against regular American forces, and both sides are sure, that the real war is inevitable, then, there is a strong pressure to start this war by a sudden "disarming" nuclear strike rather then wait until the enemy will strike first.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

Funny you should mention that. The US doesn't have any US bases in Ukraine. Not one. We don't even have Fighters flying over Ukraine. But that could change quickly.

I didn't say US has bases in Ukraine, I said the whole Ukraine became a US base.
and you are corect, spy drones are flying all the time.

it can cgange approximatwly as quickly as US trops can start sending coffins home :)

Meddling in civil war in Ukraine is a dangerous thing, American occupiers will be fighting guerillar war along with regular one...
It's a moot question. If the USA is determined to fight against regular Russian forces, and Russia is determined to fight against regular American forces, and both sides are sure, that the real war is inevitable, then, there is a strong pressure to start this war by a sudden "disarming" nuclear strike rather then wait until the enemy will strike first.

nobody is crazy enough to try first disarming strike, except probably Killary Clinton, which anounced during her presidential campaign that she was going to blackmail Russia with nuclear weapons.
and the US wants to fight with others' hands, especially with the only coubtry which hass full capacity to completely destroy it.
 
Ukrainian parliament again violated Minsk agreements rejecting to recognize rebels of Donetsk and Lugansk republics as a side in the conflict and a counterpart of peace talks.

along with this it declared Russia as an agressor - again - despite still having diplomatic relations, massive trade etc. with it.

it demands to withdraw mythical "Russian troops" despite OSCE finds no such troops.

generally all this looks like creation of nesessary diplomatic and legal environment to shift the blame to Russia when Ukraine restarts the conflict with assault on Donetsk, Lugansk and probably Crimea.

obviously no such move is possible without Washington masters' approval...

so, Ukraine is used by the US to create a war on Russian bordes, with possuble annihilation of Ukraine but who cares if Russia is weakened enough not to be able to help China in its coming war with America...


Russia invades using agitators to cover for them.......Russia is the problem, not Ukraine.

a problem for whom?
for the US - probably, it prevents the US from robbing the World...
for Ukraine - the US is a problem, US sponsored coup started civil war there and turned Ukraine into a failed state, which lives its last years...

Ukrainians had a chance for independence as a neutral state, but they failed to use it taking the biggest suicidal step possible - quarreling with Russia.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

Funny you should mention that. The US doesn't have any US bases in Ukraine. Not one. We don't even have Fighters flying over Ukraine. But that could change quickly.

I didn't say US has bases in Ukraine, I said the whole Ukraine became a US base.
and you are corect, spy drones are flying all the time.

it can cgange approximatwly as quickly as US trops can start sending coffins home :)

Meddling in civil war in Ukraine is a dangerous thing, American occupiers will be fighting guerillar war along with regular one...
It's a moot question. If the USA is determined to fight against regular Russian forces, and Russia is determined to fight against regular American forces, and both sides are sure, that the real war is inevitable, then, there is a strong pressure to start this war by a sudden "disarming" nuclear strike rather then wait until the enemy will strike first.

nobody is crazy enough to try first disarming strike, except probably Killary Clinton, which anounced during her presidential campaign that she was going to blackmail Russia with nuclear weapons.
In fact both sides are searching a magic combination of EW, preemptive strike, ABD, postattack blackmail and civil defence, that minimize loses, but of course there are enormous uncertainties.
On another hand, if there are no choice between peace and war, then first strike is definitely better than second one.

and the US wants to fight with others' hands, especially with the only coubtry which hass full capacity to completely destroy it.
Yes, of course, but for one, Ukraine can't be really good distraction for Russia.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started protests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill opponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to kill illegally and without being punished since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR on German side but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished, in school textbooks they are heroes.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resolutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)
 
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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Standard FSB Propaganda, Ivan.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Standard FSB Propaganda, Ivan.

Well, the FSB are pretty amateurish, but you'd hope they're not this amateur.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

no, you are trying to substitute definitions, but I separated extreme nationalists of post-coup first Ukrainian government from proper Nazis.

They were 2 close, but still different forces first, but since 2014 Ukraine as a state increasingly becomes a pure Nazi state, I gave examles.

and being anti-Russian still doesn't make a Nazi non-Nazi :)
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Notorious Nazi batalion Azov, perpetrator of numerous war crimes, recognized as Nazi even by the US. Which still did not prevent it from becoming a part of Interior ministry.


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Nazi servicemen of Ministry of Internal affairs of Ukraine posing in the lobby of Ministry of interior.

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One of Nazi leaders of the coup Tyagnibok meeting McCaine during the coup in Kiev. McCaine is addressing the crown calling to overthrow the president (if you want to recall Russiagate standards of "intervention" :lol:)
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A Nazi leader Tyagnibok with Nuland and Biden

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mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

no, you are trying to substitute definitions, but I separated extreme nationalists of post-coup first Ukrainian government from proper Nazis.

They were 2 close, but still different forces first, but since 2014 Ukraine as a state increasingly becomes a pure Nazi state, I gave examles.

and being anti-Russian still doesn't make a Nazi non-Nazi :)
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Notorious Nazi batalion Azov, perpetrator of numerous war crimes, recognized as Nazi even by the US. Which still did not prevent it from becoming a part of Interior ministry.


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Nazi servicemen of Ministry of Internal affairs of Ukraine posing in the lobby of Ministry of interior.

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One of Nazi leaders of the coup Tyagnibok meeting McCaine during the coup in Kiev. McCaine is addressing the crown calling to overthrow the president (if you want to recall Russiagate standards of "intervention" :lol:)
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A Nazi leader Tyagnibok with Nuland and Biden

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Just because some people are Nazis, doesn't make the whole system Nazi.
 
mersenarues can be found everywhere,
there are no less American and European mersenaries in Ukrainian army



besides, Western press lies in this regard too, I recall a case when in the US ( or Italy?) local Nazis were arrested, the ones which fought on Ukrainian side - but Reuters and American media presented them as Russian-supported Nazis fighting against Ukraine.

Remember, when Nazis are concerned - it is always on US/EU/Ukrainian side

So you've gone from no Russians, to Russians in Ukraine.

And no doubt they're organized by Putin. The ones in Syria are, so why not the Ukraine?

I don't remember such an incident as I don't pay too much attention to news from the Ukraine. Perhaps you could back up your argument.
no, there are no Russian troops and yes, there are Russian volunteers/mercenaries just like there are American and European mercenaries on the other side

Now the big question is, is the mercenaries' boss Putin? Probably yes.
or probably Obama

Why Obama?

Putin stands to gain a lot. He wanted the Crimea, this conflict weakens a neighboring country, it gets Putin that prestige he wants.

why Putin?

In Ukraine it was started by Obama, went through Trump to Biden, though members of Nazi paramilitary organizations may have been trained by Western intelligence services even before Obama's term.

And it was not "Putin wanted Crimea", a new Ukrainian Nazi regime's first move after the coup was ban on Russian language as the 2nd language in regions with Russian speaking majority, it led to mass protests in Eastern and Southern part of the country and civil war. Putchists managed to suppress protests with use of the army and Nazi death squads ( in Odessa they burnt dozens of opposition members alive).
But in Crimea and Donbas (Donetsk basin) Nazis failed. In Crimea Russia prevented genocide and secured the right of Crimeans to held referendum, in Donbass civil war still goes on. Ukrainian army is shelling civilian areas daily and seem to be oreparing another assault.

So, Obama started a conflict in the Ukraine which gave RUSSIA the Crimea. The Crimea, the place where Russia has it's only winter port, that it had to pay the Ukrainians for. The place they decided was still theirs even though it was a part of the Ukraine since 1954.

That makes no sense. Obama gained nothing from the conflict. Putin is the only one who gained.

And the Ukrainians didn't have a Nazi regime.

Try talking about this issue sensibly. I'm not going to be impacted by your fake nonsense.

if German authorities employ Nazis to kill opposition activists, if Ministry of internal affairs employ Nazi battalions to become a part of Ministry's structure, if Berlin municipality names Berlin stadium after Hitler -
wouldn't this German regime be Nazi for you?
or you are a, Nazi advocate which doesn't recognize any Nazi as a Nazi?

and Obama got the rest of Ukraine which became a US base and a dry wood in agression against Russia.

The Ukraine is a US base? Since when?

And you need to make your point about Nazis.

since a state coup in 2014

as fou Ukraine being Nazi -

Nazis are the most anti-Russian political force in Ukraine, therefore the US and the EU secret services used them to organize street riots and then a coup in 2014 to remove an elected president Yanukovich.

Then - the army was in ruins after 23 years of typical Ukrainian corruption and neglect, officers stole and sold to Africa etc. most weapons from huge Soviet storages held in Ukraine's teritory. So new power needed someone to suppress opponents and dissidents, which were many, because extreme nationalists (still not Nazis, but sympathisers) who came to power in 2014, in their first move banned Russian language as a regional one in a country which is predoominantly Russian speaking, it started pritests and later civil war in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.

So, new government used Nazi volunteers to hunt and kill oponents, in Odessa for example Nazis chased and burnt alive several dozens of Russian activists - with coordination with Internal minister Avakov.

Then, after civil war started, the government formed volunteer Nazi battalions, most renowned of them were Azov, Donbass etc, which terrorized local Russian speaking population and fought separatists - because the army was reluctant to fight civilians.

Then, after ceasefire these Nazi battalions became a part of troops of Ministry of interior, headed by an oligarkh Avakov.

Now not Ministry of interior only, but also SBU (secret service) and several other oligarkhs have pocket Nazi battalions, because Nazis are the most equipped, most motivated, ready to kill and are able to illegally kill since they are a sacred cow of every regime since 2014.
Nazis are widely used in inter - oligarchic struggle for power, for suppression of discent, for repressions against opposition ( recently president of Ukraine illegally closed 4 opposition TV channels - Nazis traditionally made a couple of pogroms in them).
and so on, but to rely on then the power has to gradually shift farer and farer into Nazism.

Along with Nazi battalions glorification of Nazism goes on in Ukraine, streets and stadiums are named after WWII Nazi criminals Shukhevich and Bandera etc, which fought USSR but who are also responsible for genocide against hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles, Gipcies, Russians etc. .

Ukrainian state underlines its ties with WWII Nazi movement on official level, SS division Galichina (equipped with Ukrainian collaborators) veterans are praised and cherished.

Along with that government policy is getting more and more racist, Russians (20% of population of Ukraine) and Russian speakers (>50% of population) are denied the right to use Russian language in increasing number of spheres, now it is banned in services, you can't use it in shops and restaurants, earlier it was almost eradicated in education (except in first classes, just because most people still speak Russian as mother language) .

plus there are 2 states in the World which oppose UN resulutions condemning glorification of Nazism.
Guess which ones... - Ukraine and the US :)

Any evidence the US has been using the Ukraine as a base since 2014?


This map has no US troops in the Ukraine as of two years ago.

And it seems like your definition of "Nazi" is "anti-Russian".

lol, frigidweirdo, do you speak English? :)

I said more than once I didn't say the US has bases in Ukraine, I said the Ukraine is a military asset of the US which it can command, virtually the whole Ukraine is a US base.

And you have evidence that the US says jump and the Ukrainian military jumps? Why hasn't the US done more then? It could have kicked the Russians out of the Ukraine with ease.
 

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