Ukraine has 200,000 troops for planned offensive: Wagner Boss Prigozhin

[Bleipriester]

Yeah, Ukraine has to waste an ATGM missile or land mine every time they destroy one of Russia's tanks. lol

And that doen´t work vice versa, Einstein?

 

[krichton]

And that doen´t work vice versa, Einstein?

Right, so why make a one sided statement that Russia is depleting Ukraine's military capabilities while not accounting for what Ukraine is doing to Russia?

 

[Bleipriester]

Right, so why make a one sided statement that Russia is depleting Ukraine's military capabilities while not accounting for what Ukraine is doing to Russia?

Russia has an own industry that can replace losses and keep up with the ammunition usage. So, when they make 1500 T-90 and upgrade 2000 T-72 this year, this would make 3500 MBTs alone. Ukraine will get a maximum of about 100 MBTs this year and thats it forever.

 

[para bellum]

So, when they make 1500 T-90 and upgrade 2000 T-72 this year, this would make 3500 MBTs alone.

You can't just go from 250 a year to 1500 by the end of year. There's a long lead time.

I've seen a video of the UVZ plant when Shoigu toured there in 2021. There are different production lines for the turrets, the drive trains, and a final assembly line. It's a big place and they have the room and probably the production lines to build tanks at that rate.

But you can't just snap your fingers and populate all those production stations with partially-completed T-90's. The ready-for-assembly hull has to move through the stations and get assembled.

Even if Russia could instantly increase the production rate, the first of the new tanks still don't come out of the plant in 2023.

They can probably repair 2000 tanks and get them back in service- which is what they have to do, just to keep up with attrition.

 

[krichton]

Russia has an own industry that can replace losses and keep up with the ammunition usage. So, when they make 1500 T-90 and upgrade 2000 T-72 this year, this would make 3500 MBTs alone. Ukraine will get a maximum of about 100 MBTs this year and thats it forever.

Russia has only one tank factory still in operation, which they can use to refurbish old tanks they still have in storage. They don't have the capability to build all new tanks and fit them with new electronics, much less make 1500 or 3500 tanks out of that one factory. That deal was done once they were hit with sanctions. If they could actually do this, they wouldn't have to rely on ancient T-54 or T-62 tanks and all their tank factories would still be in operation.

 

[Bleipriester]

Russia has only one tank factory still in operation, which they can use to refurbish old tanks they still have in storage. They don't have the capability to build all new tanks and fit them with new electronics, much less make 1500 or 3500 tanks out of that one factory. That deal was done once they were hit with sanctions. If they could actually do this, they wouldn't have to rely on ancient T-54 or T-62 tanks and all their tank factories would still be in operation.

Propaganda. You have only one tank factory. You have no proof old tanks are deployed. Just some NGO claim. And if they use the old tanks, when if not now? What´s the problem?They also have T-90, by the way. Your propaganda won´t change anything, you know?

 

[krichton]

Propaganda. You have only one tank factory. You have no proof old tanks are deployed. Just some NGO claim. And if they use the old tanks, when if not now? What´s the problem?They also have T-90, by the way. Your propaganda won´t change anything, you know?

There is literally footage of T-54s being transported to Ukraine. The russians are already using ancient T-62 in Ukraine. At some point you just gotta wake up and open your eyes. Reality is not "propaganda" just because you've chosen to accept propaganda as reality.

Russia mocked for rolling out T-54 tanks from 1940s: "What next, horses?"

Faced with equipment shortages in Ukraine, Moscow's forces are reportedly turning to antiquated tanks.

www.newsweek.com

Russia has just one tank factory churning out 20 tanks a month, with demand outstripping production by a factor of ten, says report

Russia's sole tank factory is producing around 20 tanks each month. But data suggests that Russia is losing about 150 tanks a month in Ukraine.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Bleipriester]

There is literally footage of T-54s being transported to Ukraine. The russians are already using ancient T-62 in Ukraine. At some point you just gotta wake up and open your eyes. Reality is not "propaganda" just because you've chosen to accept propaganda as reality.

Russia mocked for rolling out T-54 tanks from 1940s: "What next, horses?"

Faced with equipment shortages in Ukraine, Moscow's forces are reportedly turning to antiquated tanks.

www.newsweek.com

Russia has just one tank factory churning out 20 tanks a month, with demand outstripping production by a factor of ten, says report

Russia's sole tank factory is producing around 20 tanks each month. But data suggests that Russia is losing about 150 tanks a month in Ukraine.

news.yahoo.com

Even if true, those are better than zero tanks. You know, if true, those tanks would not be used against Leopards. They could be used in fortifications, or as infantry support. As such, they would be very dangerous opponents.

 

[Ringo]

 

[luiza]

There is literally footage of T-54s being transported to Ukraine. The russians are already using ancient T-62 in Ukraine. At some point you just gotta wake up and open your eyes. Reality is not "propaganda" just because you've chosen to accept propaganda as reality.

Tank warfare is something from the past.
Lumbering tanks are kid's stuff from the air.
Control the air and you control a war .
Russia controls the air.
End of .

 

[para bellum]

Russia controls the air.

If Russia controlled the air they would be able to stop the Ukr drones...

 

[Vrenn]

grains costing 11 bucks a lb, chicken costing 4 bucks a lb and it's wholesale. Someone is getting bloody rich and a lot of people are getting bloody assed hungry.

 

[krichton]

Even if true, those are better than zero tanks. You know, if true, those tanks would not be used against Leopards. They could be used in fortifications, or as infantry support. As such, they would be very dangerous opponents.

They're currently doing that right now with their T-62s. What's the difference, they are still getting massacred. When Ukraine starts moving in Bradleys, Paladins, Abrams, Leopards, Marders and other advanced weapons they haven't had before that's when the actual slaughter will begin.

 

[para bellum]

Ukraine takes captured T-62's and converts them to armored recovery vehicles. They strip off the turret and replace it with a big winch, and give it a mine plow or blade.

Engineering vehicles are valuable and scarce. They take a useless tank, and convert it to recover T-72's and T-80's, which they can put to good use.

 

[Bleipriester]

They're currently doing that right now with their T-62s. What's the difference, they are still getting massacred. When Ukraine starts moving in Bradleys, Paladins, Abrams, Leopards, Marders and other advanced weapons they haven't had before that's when the actual slaughter will begin.

100 MBTs drop in peace by peace. Ancient Marder and Bradley, Paladin without GPS shells. Some T-90 will take care.

 

[zaangalewa]

Prigozhin said ...

Ugh - it speaks ...

 

[Bleipriester]

Ugh - it speaks ...

 

[para bellum]

Staged.

 

[Bleipriester]

Staged.

After all, your "fact check" is just some lines and quads.
If you watch the video, right at the beginning, there are two power poles to be seen whose beams do not point in the same directions.
The power poles´ beams in the alleged place do all point in the same direction.

You can check it out yourself with Google Maps. It is in the east of the city Donetsk. My arrow points at the crossroad.

The fact check is a fake.

 

[para bellum]

After all, your "fact check" is just some lines and quads.
If you watch the video, right at the beginning, there are two power poles to be seen whose beams do not point in the same directions.
The power poles´ beams in the alleged place do all point in the same direction.

You can check it out yourself with Google Maps. It is in the east of the city Donetsk. My arrow points at the crossroad.

The fact check is a fake.

LMAO. You confirm it yourself. The pic of the crossroad you posted is the exact same pic in the geolocation, just flipped 180. And as you note, the location is EAST of Donetsk City, 30km deep in Russian occupied territory.

Nice job!