U.S. Fracking's Larger Implications

[MaryL]

I have been negatively effected by fraking, here in Colorado. Near were I live, they recently converted an old grain elevator over into storage for sand used in the fracking process. This area is adjacent to business. That in itself has been a nightmare, the overflow of trucks, the blatant disregard for the residents or traffic law enforcement by the cops...because they don't want to be seen as harassing local business. their concern is touching. But this pollution and abuse goes on morning, noon and night, 24/7. So what is GOOD for the economy, isn't what is GOOD...

 

[JiggsCasey]

I have been negatively effected by fraking, here in Colorado. Near were I live, they recently converted an old grain elevator over into storage for sand used in the fracking process. This area is adjacent to business. That in itself has been a nightmare, the overflow of trucks, the blatant disregard for the residents or traffic law enforcement by the cops...because they don't want to be seen as harassing local business. their concern is touching. But this pollution and abuse goes on morning, noon and night, 24/7. So what is GOOD for the economy, isn't what is GOOD...

countdown to industry troll RGR blaming residents near you for being too "stupid/should've known better/ride a bike" and county and state legislators for being too" lax/corrupt." ... in 10, ... 9, .... 8, ....

RGR's the kind of guy who winks at you while shaking your hand. Certainly if you come to one of his conventions and investor petrodollars are at stake.

meanwhile, tight oil and gas production benefits greatly from RW-flavored legislation that has greased the skids and blocked many layers of liability. The kind of "externalities" that, if counted honestly against a company's margins, would likely make the economic price-per-barrel for this junk-grade form of hydro-carbons more like $100-150. Nevermind the industry has to keep running faster and faster every year just to stay in place, and first-year decline rates are cliff-like.

The unspoken platform of these petrofascists goes like this: "Clean up? That's someone ELSE's problem; Don't eff with our profit margin.... Look, you drive your car to work, right? Hypocrite. ... Be grateful, and shutup."

why concede the environmental costs of producing this inflationary form of junk energy when you can send an army of stock-owning zealots out on the blogosphere to pretend HBO-sponsored documentaries don't matter? These trolls cling to a missed number here or there among hundreds presented in the piece, and turn around and ignore the over-arching concern by way of dismissal. Deceit at it's most transparent.

But, I'm sure to industry trolls like RGR, an arrest of Josh Fox at a public House Science committee hearing was entirely warranted and entirely Fox' fault. He probably laughed when he watched that part, like the douchebag technocratic sociopath he undoubtedly is. That's how bass-akwards these cultists of industry profit truly are in their bizzaro world of rationalization.

Still waiting for RGR to explain how the oil majors suddenly pulling back 10-33% in expenditures is somehow a "good" thing for near- to mid-term flow rates. You know, in a world utterly depending on growth, and growth utterly dependent on energy consumption.

"Nothing to see here. Keep giving us your fracking dollars, and agreeing not to let your constituents ever sue over our 'harmless' technology!!" * wink wink *

 

[percysunshine]

Each year I moderate a conference consisting of, on average, 50 educators from around the state. These are grade school/middle school/high school teachers whose focus of instruction is science and math. They receive CPDU credits just for showing up. We have retained the services of a university PhD Geology professor so some of them can receive graduate credits.

Over the 3-1/2 day conference these teachers spend 8 hours in a laboratory setting and 12 hours in a classroom setting, learning everything from A-Z about the oil and natural gas industries. In addition we take them on a 10 hour field trip visiting a refinery, a drilling rig, and a production/storage yard.

We in this industry live, practice, and impart science and education.

The kind of science and education in which Liberals DON'T believe.

"You didn't build that" is about the stupidest quote any US president has ever made.

(disclaimer: Joe Biden could have topped that)

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[chikenwing]

Fracking releases uranium. Water will be contaminated with the residue. Uranium mining was blocked in my area even though we are sitting on a massive amount of it. It was done with political pressure by God-fearing conservatives, not lawsuits by granola-eating environmental whackos.

Hydraulic fracturing doesn't "release" anything. Hydraulic fracturing is the point at which the hydraulic pressure created by the surface pumps and liquid loading on the formation exceeds the lithostatic pressure and the rock fractures, changing the volume of the system involved, at which point system pressure drops suddenly, and you throttle up on the pumps and you are off to the races. Sit in the frac van sometime, learn something.

That is hydraulic fracturing.

When the procedure is complete, you throttle back the pumps, the system goes back to static because you are no longer increasing the system volume through increasing frac lengths, and you close the frac valve.

You have just done a hydraulic fracture "event", if you were. The micro-seismic work can be processed, acoustic signatures end, and then all the usual cleanup work of a completion begins. Various configurations of flowback, letting the well soak (if you believe in that), if you are REAL lucky you can start flowing it straight to the production tanks.

The hydraulic fracturing does its job, and because it is complete with the closing of the frac valve, releases NOTHING.

See what I meant earlier, by people just not having a clue as to how these things work?

Now, if you wish to discuss NORM, and are concerned about such things, or want to discuss how poor regulations allow NORM to enter human infrastructure, that is a different issue, and not what otherwise appears to be yet another oil-ignorant attempt to blame oil field completion techniques for everything under the sun.

yes, you clearly are spinning to avoid the TE part of TENORM by pretending the NORM happens independent of the process. The process concentrates the naturally occurring radioactive material to the point that it is toxic waste even after 90% filtration and the crap gets dumped into surface water. Pennsylvania streams are already getting hit with the crap. By the time the biological magnification takes place and people see what these rackets are doing, the companies will be long since "closed" to be replaced by a new company with the same owners behind them, dumping the cost onto the public in multiple ways.

So you don't live where they are drilling do you?

Pa streams are just fine so is the ground water,they do not dump waste water on surface water,its all contained and no dumping.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that rather than exporting a limited energy resource we have in abundance we should be saving it for ourselves instead?

 

[Mr. H.]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that rather than exporting a limited energy resource we have in abundance we should be saving it for ourselves instead?

Why are we exporting food while paying record prices for groceries?

 

[RGR]

Why are we exporting food while paying record prices for groceries?

Food is as much a fungible commodity as oil. So the price for food isn't set locally, but internationally nowadays.

 

[RGR]

Injecting water / chemicals into the ground under high pressure for whatever reason has been proven to cause minor earthquakes and pollution of ground water…

Each hydraulic fracturing event can cause hundreds if not THOUSANDS of micro-seismic events. The key being MICRO seismic events.

Having the experience of standing there while I did this, I can assure you that I felt none of these events. You want to call that an earthquake? Fine. But those of us who do these things get to laugh at you for it.

As far as pollution of ground water, it is certainly a possibility, with the failure of well bore integrity. Of course, the failure of well bore integrity is immediately noticed in the frack van, and the procedure halted on the spot.

But, if that's ok. Slavery, strip mining and cutting down the rain forests are good for the economy, too.

All sorts of things are good for the economy. Some are legal, some are not. The ones you refer to in terms of hydraulic fracturing are primarily delusional.

 

[RGR]

I have been negatively effected by fraking, here in Colorado. Near were I live, they recently converted an old grain elevator over into storage for sand used in the fracking process. This area is adjacent to business. That in itself has been a nightmare, the overflow of trucks, the blatant disregard for the residents or traffic law enforcement by the cops...because they don't want to be seen as harassing local business. their concern is touching. But this pollution and abuse goes on morning, noon and night, 24/7. So what is GOOD for the economy, isn't what is GOOD...

So because a once quiet area is now..not so quiet….you think this is hydraulic fracturings fault? Versus the property owners fault, because they are breaking local zoning laws, allowing commercial operations so close to your place? You are complaining about commercial development, not tracking. And if its legal commercial activity then..you are just complaining about activity.

And the CDL requirements for drivers of trucks for the likes of Halliburton and other companies doing completions are pretty stiff, so you don't get to pretend they are disobeying traffic laws when doing it can cost them their jobs. And certainly this has nothing to do with pollution…it has to do with you living close to land either zoned commercial, or not restricted in zoning to only the kind of activity YOU prefer. Like maybe bird watching. Certainly those property owners get to use their property the way they wish, just as you can. This is Colorado, go grow some weed, smoke it, and be happy.

 

[natstew]

Fracking also brings small earthquakes and flammable water.

Still think it's a good idea?

This has already been debunked.

 

[RGR]

I have been negatively effected by fraking, here in Colorado. Near were I live, they recently converted an old grain elevator over into storage for sand used in the fracking process. This area is adjacent to business. That in itself has been a nightmare, the overflow of trucks, the blatant disregard for the residents or traffic law enforcement by the cops...because they don't want to be seen as harassing local business. their concern is touching. But this pollution and abuse goes on morning, noon and night, 24/7. So what is GOOD for the economy, isn't what is GOOD...

countdown to industry troll RGR blaming residents near you for being too "stupid/should've known better/ride a bike" and county and state legislators for being too" lax/corrupt." ... in 10, ... 9, .... 8, ....

I haven't been in industry for decades now Jiggsy, you would know this if you could read. Now I explain industry procedures to empty headed morons….otherwise known as those much more highly educated than you.

Nevermind the industry has to keep running faster and faster every year just to stay in place, and first-year decline rates are cliff-like.

Do tell Jiggsy! Do you know the quantitative difference between "cliff like" and "non-cliff like", or are you just parroting someone else? Again?

Still waiting for RGR to explain how the oil majors suddenly pulling back 10-33% in expenditures is somehow a "good" thing for near- to mid-term flow rates.

Why would I need to explain any of that? Decreased production without corresponding demand destruction leads to higher prices, and higher prices are good for industry folks. Unfortunate that this hasn't included me in this century, but no matter how many times I mention this to a parrot…well…there is no requirement for a parrot to LEARN anything. Ever.

Let us know the parameters of the hyperbolic, harmonic or exponential equation you used to quantify that "cliff life" thing…we're all dying to calculate the difference for ourselves, and I'm sure someone with a brain at your church of malthusians has provided you this information, that you not look so ignorant when claiming it in public.

 

[RGR]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that rather than exporting a limited energy resource we have in abundance we should be saving it for ourselves instead?

Well, we could change from a more free market economy to a more state run one, but Americans don't tend to like the idea of becoming socialist or communist or whatever it might take to stop and heavily restrict that free market.

 

[Mr. H.]

I have been negatively effected by fraking, here in Colorado. Near were I live, they recently converted an old grain elevator over into storage for sand used in the fracking process. This area is adjacent to business. That in itself has been a nightmare, the overflow of trucks, the blatant disregard for the residents or traffic law enforcement by the cops...because they don't want to be seen as harassing local business. their concern is touching. But this pollution and abuse goes on morning, noon and night, 24/7. So what is GOOD for the economy, isn't what is GOOD...

I've not heard of any sand elevator explosions, have you?

Grain elevators, however...



Grain Elevator Explosion Chart

 

[JiggsCasey]

I have been negatively effected by fraking, here in Colorado. Near were I live, they recently converted an old grain elevator over into storage for sand used in the fracking process. This area is adjacent to business. That in itself has been a nightmare, the overflow of trucks, the blatant disregard for the residents or traffic law enforcement by the cops...because they don't want to be seen as harassing local business. their concern is touching. But this pollution and abuse goes on morning, noon and night, 24/7. So what is GOOD for the economy, isn't what is GOOD...

So because a once quiet area is now..not so quiet….you think this is hydraulic fracturings fault? Versus the property owners fault, because they are breaking local zoning laws, allowing commercial operations so close to your place? You are complaining about commercial development, not tracking. And if its legal commercial activity then..you are just complaining about activity.

And the CDL requirements for drivers of trucks for the likes of Halliburton and other companies doing completions are pretty stiff, so you don't get to pretend they are disobeying traffic laws when doing it can cost them their jobs. And certainly this has nothing to do with pollution…it has to do with you living close to land either zoned commercial, or not restricted in zoning to only the kind of activity YOU prefer. Like maybe bird watching. Certainly those property owners get to use their property the way they wish, just as you can. This is Colorado, go grow some weed, smoke it, and be happy.

LOL!!! So, essentially: "Let them eat Cake!"

As predicted, a compassion-free post that blames the victim (and local government) for the horrors his favorite unsustainable industry absolutely perpetrates on rural America. It's what a sociopath does.

What a dick.

Dude, seriously, you desperately need a straight overhand right to the face. It's clear you're basically a horrible, horrible person on most every level.

 

[JiggsCasey]

Well, we could change from a more free market economy to a more state run one, but Americans don't tend to like the idea of becoming socialist.

LOL... STFU

Young People More Likely To Favor Socialism Than Capitalism: Pew


Poll: Many Americans prefer socialism over capitalism

Not that your dumbass response had anything to do with his question. But your wrongness screams for accountability, so there it is.

 

[RGR]

Dude, seriously, you desperately need a straight overhand right to the face. It's clear you're basically a horrible, horrible person on most every level.

Always a possibility. But one thing I am certainly NOT...and that is a parrot.

 

[JiggsCasey]

countdown to industry troll RGR blaming residents near you for being too "stupid/should've known better/ride a bike" and county and state legislators for being too" lax/corrupt." ... in 10, ... 9, .... 8, ....

I haven't been in industry for decades now Jiggsy, you would know this if you could read. Now I explain industry procedures to empty headed morons….otherwise known as those much more highly educated than you.

Semantics much, troll? Cut the crap. Your bread is buttered via the industry. So whether it's stock options, lecture circuit, or just giving reacharounds to the bigwigs at conferences, your agenda is painting a warm picture for an industry that's ruining the biosphere and desperate for investment.

However you get paid (poorly spent as it is), it most certainly ISN'T for your grasp of how triple-digit oil prices affect the global economy, nor your honesty regarding flow rate growth.

It is notable how much you omitted from my post, most especially the 96% write-down of Monterrey reserves. Just when does the fraud end with your industry?

Nevermind the industry has to keep running faster and faster every year just to stay in place, and first-year decline rates are cliff-like.

Do tell Jiggsy! Do you know the quantitative difference between "cliff like" and "non-cliff like", or are you just parroting someone else? Again?

Yeah, we've been over this, and you punted. Like you always do when you have nothing of substance to convey, you shifted to talk of my alleged religious zealotry without actually countering the data. :yawn: ... Something like 66% decline for the first year, alone? Yeah, that's pretty horribad ... and certainly unsustainable.

U.S. Shale-Oil Boom May Not Last as Fracking Wells Lack Staying Power

Production from wells bored into these formations declines by 60 percent to 70 percent in the first year alone, says Allen Gilmer, chairman and chief executive officer of Drillinginfo, which tracks the performance of U.S. wells. ​

Yeah, for your industry? I'd say that's fairly "cliff-like." But you're the semantics champion. Tell us all how it's not. Compared to... anything. Tell us what words mean, lecturer. LOL...

Ah well. Our $5-10M wells are useless within 2-3 years? No problem, right? In order to maintain promised production growth, we'll just easily expand 10,000 short-life wells to 100,000!!! No wait, 1,000,000!!! ... There's no logistical limit in sight!! Afterall, this is a growth industry, and the engineers are streaming out of U.S. colleges just begging to man the rigs!!! ... Oh, and there's plenty of water for that degree of expansion .

Sad little snake oil salesman. You truly are why this cartoon was drawn:

Still waiting for RGR to explain how the oil majors suddenly pulling back 10-33% in expenditures is somehow a "good" thing for near- to mid-term flow rates.

Why would I need to explain any of that?

Ummmm, because it pukes in the face of your entire baseless "no problem" narrative? Leave it there, I don't care. I already KNOW you're a fraud. It's the impressionable onlookers who'd love to hear you try and flesh that one out.

Decreased production without corresponding demand destruction leads to higher prices, and higher prices are good for industry folks.

LOL... Short term, maybe. If they can pump and dump and get out of the game before inevitable demand destruction takes place, sure. Otherwise, oops. Nope... Big killer of free cash flow, that stubborn $100/bl price, and not conducive to production growth. "We need it $150/bl !!!! Surely the world can afford it!!!!"

Unfortunate that this hasn't included me in this century, but no matter how many times I mention this to a parrot…well…there is no requirement for a parrot to LEARN anything. Ever.

Blah blah, whatever liar. .... You're still not answering my fundamental question, dipshit. If they're scaling back on spending for exploration and drilling and dumping assets left and right, how does that paint a picture of an industry that's growing? Oops, it doesn't.

The sad truth is, even the most optimistic expansion of tight oil production by smaller companies will never come close to atoning for the majors' decline. For Russia's decline. For Mexico's decline. And on and on and on. You know it as well as I know it. I'm the only one honest about it.

For you trolls, what only matters is how much of a buck you all can hoodwink investors for before the great reboot.

Your career is based on fraud, RGR. Destructive fraud that is contributing to the RW's perpetual ecocide. You know it deep inside. Awwww.

Sorry. No church here. Devout aethist, in fact. You, on the other hand, show ALL the telltale signs of a wild-eyed religious zealot. The irony is delicious.

 

[RGR]

I haven't been in industry for decades now Jiggsy, you would know this if you could read. Now I explain industry procedures to empty headed morons….otherwise known as those much more highly educated than you.

Semantics much, troll? Cut the crap. Your bread is buttered via the industry.

No it isn't. Not a lunch. Not a laser pointer gift, memory stick, or hamburger. I've told you before, and you just don't listen. To be a credible scientist, you can't have any funding tied to sources that might be suspect. To be a credible analyst, the same rule applies.

Upon investigation, when I am asked the question, "Have you now, or ever, been given gifts or favors or anything from company XXXX or organiation YYY"...there can only be one acceptable answer. "Never". I can give that answer. It is necessary for the job actually, because at the end of the day an objective, and knowledgeable, arbiter is required.

So whether it's stock options, lecture circuit, or just giving reacharounds to the bigwigs at conferences, your agenda is painting a warm picture for an industry that's ruining the biosphere and desperate for investment.

There is no agenda. I do not accept travel funds, lecture fee's, or gifts. Of any size. I have never been paid for a presentation at a domestic or international conference. I have never been paid for peer reviewed science. I am prohibited from owning stocks and bonds related to mining and extraction industries. It is my job to explain, without passion or prejudice, the interaction of geology and engineering/technology to economists. Or explain economics to geologists and engineers. Or geology to engineers. Or engineering to geologists. Or all three to lawyers and judges.

The reason why I know more about peak oil than you do is because peak oil religious beliefs fall within the scope of what I must explain to others.

So understanding is required. Not being a parrot for people and organizations who can't say what I said above. Just ask Heinberg what his honorarium fee is sometime Jiggsy...I dare you.

It is notable how much you omitted from my post, most especially the 96% write-down of Monterrey reserves. Just when does the fraud end with your industry?

The writedown to which you refer wasn't done by industry. You halfwit. And the writedown wasn't of reserves. You retard. Jesus you can't even write two sentences without letting the world see it, can you?

Ah well. Our $5-10M wells are useless within 2-3 years? No problem, right?

Do you understand the difference between flush, and base production? Because really, if your church hasn't given you the briefing points on this topic, you won't even know what answer to parrot should I poses a question to determine the quality of those briefing points.

You're still not answering my fundamental question, dipshit. If they're scaling back on spending for exploration and drilling and dumping assets left and right, how does that paint a picture of an industry that's growing? Oops, it doesn't.

I never said they were. At this point, you are just battling strawmen of your own making. Amusing to watch, but hardly educational.

Sorry. No church here. Devout aethist, in fact. You, on the other hand, show ALL the telltale signs of a wild-eyed religious zealot. The irony is delicious.

Of course you have a church Jiggsy. And they have a parrot. It was pegged long ago by John Denver..probably before you converted from whatever other Malthusian group you originated from.

Peak Oil Debunked: 32. IS PEAK OIL DOOM A RELIGION?

 

[Mr. H.]

U.S. Trade Deficit Narrows as Dependence on Foreign Oil Shrinks

The most significant change we see is the decrease in foreign imported goods, which reflected the lowest petroleum trade deficit since 2009. This in part is due to a decreased dependence on foreign oil as a result of increased domestic production.

Keep up the good work, America.

 

[Mr. H.]

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