U.S. colleges scramble after new Trump order on foreign students

Foreign anyone without a valid visa won't make it through customs.
Pknopp does have one ace in the hole and I take it seriously

the universities will look for an obama judge to put a hold on the trump eo
I doubt that even an obama judge can change it. If there is no physical school there is no need for a student's physical presence. It's like getting here on a fiancee visa, without a fiancee.

The EO did not force the school into online classes.
 
If everyone ignored EO's it's not an issue
The immigration officers at international US airports are not/cannot ignore orders from the president

foreign students without visas are going back on the next available flight

Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
Foreign anyone without a valid visa won't make it through customs.

This will be tied up in the courts until after Trump is gone.
 
Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
Thats too bad but I can live with a certain amount of residue knowing that new students will not be allowed in

then maybe we can grant waivers for s korean and japanese student, or maybe just waiver everyone except the chinese
There is no reason for a waiver. There are no classes to attend.

Why is this so hard to understand? There will be no physical classes. Instead of having classes limited by the number of seats, classes will number in the thousands. Literally limitless.
But will for students who are expelled pay tution?

Trump's admin is trying to force colleges to hold live classes on campus to open up schools. That's all that this is about.


Expelled?
 
Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
Thats too bad but I can live with a certain amount of residue knowing that new students will not be allowed in

then maybe we can grant waivers for s korean and japanese student, or maybe just waiver everyone except the chinese
There is no reason for a waiver. There are no classes to attend.

Why is this so hard to understand? There will be no physical classes. Instead of having classes limited by the number of seats, classes will number in the thousands. Literally limitless.
But will for students who are expelled pay tution?

Trump's admin is trying to force colleges to hold live classes on campus to open up schools. That's all that this is about.
Trump is trying to force no such thing. Trump wants schools open. He wants public schools open. This has nothing to do with universities like Harvard who decided to go all online. Why would anyone be expelled?
 
And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.


Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.
Why would foreign students need to be in the country if the classes are totally on-line?
Why do we have so many foreigners in our schools anyway? Shouldn’t those seats be given to Americans? To African-Americans?
 
If everyone ignored EO's it's not an issue
The immigration officers at international US airports are not/cannot ignore orders from the president

foreign students without visas are going back on the next available flight

Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
If their visas are terminated, which Ice is saying will happen, they will be leaving or staying illegally

As noted already....this will be in the courts for a long time. DACA students are still here right?
 
If everyone ignored EO's it's not an issue
The immigration officers at international US airports are not/cannot ignore orders from the president

foreign students without visas are going back on the next available flight

Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
If their visas are terminated, which Ice is saying will happen, they will be leaving or staying illegally

As noted already....this will be in the courts for a long time. DACA students are still here right?
This has nothing to do with DACA. DACA students won't be taking any physical classes either.
 
Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
Thats too bad but I can live with a certain amount of residue knowing that new students will not be allowed in

then maybe we can grant waivers for s korean and japanese student, or maybe just waiver everyone except the chinese
There is no reason for a waiver. There are no classes to attend.

Why is this so hard to understand? There will be no physical classes. Instead of having classes limited by the number of seats, classes will number in the thousands. Literally limitless.
But will for students who are expelled pay tution?

Trump's admin is trying to force colleges to hold live classes on campus to open up schools. That's all that this is about.
Trump is trying to force no such thing. Trump wants schools open. He wants public schools open. This has nothing to do with universities like Harvard who decided to go all online. Why would anyone be expelled?
bs. He wants kids out of their parents houses and on campus. And this is one means he it trying to use. It will blow up in his face, because he's not only incompetent, he doesn't live in the same reality most people live.
 
And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.


Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.
Why would foreign students need to be in the country if the classes are totally on-line?
Why do we have so many foreigners in our schools anyway? Shouldn’t those seats be given to Americans? To African-Americans?
Without seats there are no exclusions for anyone.
 
If everyone ignored EO's it's not an issue
The immigration officers at international US airports are not/cannot ignore orders from the president

foreign students without visas are going back on the next available flight

Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
If their visas are terminated, which Ice is saying will happen, they will be leaving or staying illegally

As noted already....this will be in the courts for a long time. DACA students are still here right?
This has nothing to do with DACA. DACA students won't be taking any physical classes either.
You sort of missed the pt. Harvard and MIT have already headed to court over Trump's attempt to force colleges physically open
 
If everyone ignored EO's it's not an issue
The immigration officers at international US airports are not/cannot ignore orders from the president

foreign students without visas are going back on the next available flight

Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
If their visas are terminated, which Ice is saying will happen, they will be leaving or staying illegally

As noted already....this will be in the courts for a long time. DACA students are still here right?
This has nothing to do with DACA. DACA students won't be taking any physical classes either.

No but it has to do with EO's.
 
Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
Thats too bad but I can live with a certain amount of residue knowing that new students will not be allowed in

then maybe we can grant waivers for s korean and japanese student, or maybe just waiver everyone except the chinese
There is no reason for a waiver. There are no classes to attend.

Why is this so hard to understand? There will be no physical classes. Instead of having classes limited by the number of seats, classes will number in the thousands. Literally limitless.
But will for students who are expelled pay tution?

Trump's admin is trying to force colleges to hold live classes on campus to open up schools. That's all that this is about.
Trump is trying to force no such thing. Trump wants schools open. He wants public schools open. This has nothing to do with universities like Harvard who decided to go all online. Why would anyone be expelled?
bs. He wants kids out of their parents houses and on campus. And this is one means he it trying to use. It will blow up in his face, because he's not only incompetent, he doesn't live in the same reality most people live.
I think online education is a plus for conservatives

a big plus
 
Lol...no they aren't. They won't be going anywhere.
Thats too bad but I can live with a certain amount of residue knowing that new students will not be allowed in

then maybe we can grant waivers for s korean and japanese student, or maybe just waiver everyone except the chinese
There is no reason for a waiver. There are no classes to attend.

Why is this so hard to understand? There will be no physical classes. Instead of having classes limited by the number of seats, classes will number in the thousands. Literally limitless.
But will for students who are expelled pay tution?

Trump's admin is trying to force colleges to hold live classes on campus to open up schools. That's all that this is about.
Trump is trying to force no such thing. Trump wants schools open. He wants public schools open. This has nothing to do with universities like Harvard who decided to go all online. Why would anyone be expelled?
bs. He wants kids out of their parents houses and on campus. And this is one means he it trying to use. It will blow up in his face, because he's not only incompetent, he doesn't live in the same reality most people live.
You don't seem to be living in any reality at all. Trump is not opposing any school going to all online classes.

He does want primary and high school students back in classrooms. So do most parents who need to get back to work themselves.
 

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