U.S. announces nearly $6 billion in funding for Ukraine

[Deadstick]

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Many Americans must be as thick as Elephant shit if they can't see what the hell is going on.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Russia invaded Ukraine, retard.

No NATO threatened Russia.

Russia does not get to dictate which alliances sovereign nations enter into.

Evidently that's false, they are never going to lose in Ukraine, they do not care how much it costs or how many lives, that's what you don't understand, Russia has won, they cannot be defeated. If you could see clearly it is obvious that Russia is able and willing to continue this war of attrition and once Trump gets in that will be the end.

 

[para bellum]

No NATO threatened Russia.

No one threatened Russia. NATO is an alliance, it does not operate independently of it's member States.

Putin is an opportunist and saw his chance with a weak US President. Same as 2014.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No one threatened Russia. NATO is an alliance, it does not operate independently of it's member States.

Tell that to the Russians. NATO already has people in Ukraine, NATO are already fighting Russia using Ukraine as cover, as a proxy.

Putin is an opportunist and saw his chance with a weak US President. Same as 2014.

Sure, I'm no admirer of Putin. Everyone expected Putin to be assassinated because of this war and the impact it has had on Russian society, but that hasn't happened because the Kremlin too fully support the war against NATO.

You think Trump is going to tell Russia to go home? are you actually that naive?

 

[para bellum]

Tell that to the Russians. NATO already has people in Ukraine, NATO are already fighting Russia using Ukraine as cover, as a proxy.

I am telling it to you because you are the one who said NATO threatened Russia. That did not happen.

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, after the west and Russia spent 20 years disarming Ukraine, and promising to respect their sovereignty.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I am telling it to you because you are the one who said NATO threatened Russia. That did not happen.

Russia decided it was threatened by Ukraine becoming a NATO member. A bit like the US has decided that China is a threat to the United States.

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, after the west and Russia spent 20 years disarming Ukraine, and promising to respect their sovereignty.

Ukraine underwent a coup in 2014 supported by the United States.

Yes it did what it said it would do if NATO continued its Eastward expansion, nobody was surprised when Russia attacked.

The West wanted Russia to attack Ukraine.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war | Seumas Milne

Seumas Milne: The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all

www.theguardian.com

That might be more explicable if what is going on in eastern Ukraine now were not the mirror image of what took place in Kiev a couple of months ago. Then, it was armed protesters in Maidan Square seizing government buildings and demanding a change of government and constitution. US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.

"America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the far-right Svoboda party as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.

When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.

and

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward NATO expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union. Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by NATO or the EU.

 

[para bellum]

Ukraine underwent a coup in 2014 supported by the United States.

Even if you buy into that narrative, the US's puppet was Poroshenko, and he was defeated by Zelensky in 2019.

 

[Kruska]

Everything is possible, the time will show. Actually these games in escalation only make sense if Trump will be able to lower oil prices, to say 40 bucks/barrel.

In essence, absolutely correct

After-all that is what this dispute and war is ALL about.

Renewable energy, nuke power and NATURAL-GAS are the keys to the future energy markets - not sure about Ukraine exploiting oil or having unused oil deposits.
But natural-gas is what Ukraine beholds a mass - and that is essentially what Putin/Russia fears the most. Since an EU/NATO controlled Ukraine would be an economic death-blow to an autocratic Russia.

 

[Ringo]

Porn actress Stormy Daniels, who was paid by Trump to keep quiet, told reporters that immediately after Donald Trump won the election, she was contacted by Zelensky's office and was asked how to properly blow Mr. Trump to get money, “They were very persistent”

 

[Deadstick]

No one threatened Russia. NATO is an alliance, it does not operate independently of it's member States.

Putin is an opportunist and saw his chance with a weak US President. Same as 2014.

NATO members do what they are told when they are told by the US Reich.

 

[Deadstick]

Even if you buy into that narrative, the US's puppet was Poroshenko, and he was defeated by Zelensky in 2019.

The last time there was a legitimate election in Ukraine was in 2010 and Yanukovych won it, any so called election after the Coup is null and void.

 

[otto105]

Russia's goal is to stop NATO expansion into states bordering the Russian federation, they've now more or less achieved that goal. Ukraine will never become a NATO member, that is what's clear.

You mean states like Sweden and Finland?

 

[otto105]

The last time there was a legitimate election in Ukraine was in 2010 and Yanukovych won it, any so called election after the Coup is null and void.

So, you lika the pootin.

 

[Deadstick]

So, you lika the pootin.

Putin has nothing to do with the facts of the matter, just telling you what took place something you people don't seem to understand, or don't want to.

 

[otto105]

Putin has nothing to do with the facts of the matter, just telling you what took place something you people don't seem to understand, or don't want to.

Hilarious

You do lika the pootin.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You mean states like Sweden and Finland?

Finland has been part of NATO since 1994 and Sweden doesn't share a border with Russia. So, no, I don't mean either of those.

 

[ESay]

In essence, absolutely correct

After-all that is what this dispute and war is ALL about.

Renewable energy, nuke power and NATURAL-GAS are the keys to the future energy markets - not sure about Ukraine exploiting oil or having unused oil deposits.
But natural-gas is what Ukraine beholds a mass - and that is essentially what Putin/Russia fears the most. Since an EU/NATO controlled Ukraine would be an economic death-blow to an autocratic Russia.

I never read or was told before that Ukraine has any sizeable deposits of natural gas, at least the ones that are worth waging a war for them. At best, there were talks that Ukraine has enough to cover its domestic needs (these talks usually were up at the times of disputes with Russia about gas prices). I don't count here Russian loons or such bags of shit like Graham who use this rhetoric to sell this war for their sheep.

What can really knock out Russia from European gas market is a pipeline from Qatar through Middle East and Turkey to Europe. But I doubt the Yanks will be happy to see it, as long as they want their cut of a pie for their LNG. Besides, it will further deepen European reliance on Turkey on their energy supply deliveries.

 

[Pastelli]

...the puzzle section .Your inane drivel is irritating .

Forum outcast infamous RACIST motivated posting:
'Luiza' - Nazism:
(luiza.86585)

• Pro Jihad child killing.
• Admitting Jews today are the same ethnicity as Jesus . But often tries to lie about it.
• Advocates for genocide.
• Pro Jihad entities use of its children.
• Promoting Hitler garbage.
• Spamming the forums with despicable wording.

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Gas chambers or Ovens - Nazi Luiza asks?



Exterminating J.




Against all Jews.



And more...



And more...

Responding to thread by Islamist quoting a fake piece by infamous CJ Werleman.
30 Jan 2024

Today's Jews are as Jesus ethnicity she admits. But racist Luiza still hates via ancient lies canards stereotypes.




In whitewashing HER-Hitler and Nazis' worshipping, Luiza claimed to "deny" Kristallnacht .(Feb 5, 2024).




More from the horrific Luiza on WW2, IT wrote:
The disabled , Roma and Jews were probably top of the list which was fiendishly brilliant.... .(Mar 6, 2023).




On the Jewish 'race' - Nov 10, 2024, Islamist racist Luiza :

____________________​

The “four founding mothers,” he added, “are from lineages that originate long before the launching of the Jewish people some 3400 years ago. They probably came from a large Middle Eastern gene pool.

“As consistent with the Bible, in which the founding Jews were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and his sons, and the matriarchs were ‘imported’ from non–Jewish peoples and then converted, the haplotypes of contemporary Jewish men are much less varied.”

Gene tests show that two fifths of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from four women - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Kruska]

I never read or was told before that Ukraine has any sizeable deposits of natural gas, at least the ones that are worth waging a war for them. At best, there were talks that Ukraine has enough to cover its domestic needs (these talks usually were up at the times of disputes with Russia about gas prices). I don't count here Russian loons or such bags of shit like Graham who use this rhetoric to sell this war for their sheep.

What can really knock out Russia from European gas market is a pipeline from Qatar through Middle East and Turkey to Europe. But I doubt the Yanks will be happy to see it, as long as they want their cut of a pie for their LNG. Besides, it will further deepen European reliance on Turkey on their energy supply deliveries.

The below data is from 2017.

Ukraine Oil reserves
Ukraine has a century-long history of oil and gas production and possesses substantial conventional and unconventional hydrocarbon reserves, estimated at 9 billion tonnes of oil equivalent (Btoe).

Ukraine Gas Reserves
39,000,000 MMcf
Global Rank: 23rd | Share of World's Gas: 0.56 %

36 years of natural gas left
(at current consumption levels)

Summary Table​

	Million Cubic Ft (MMcf)	Global Rank
Gas Reserves ​	39,000,000	23rd in the world
Gas Production​	670,985	36th in the world
Gas Consumption ​	1,171,928	29th in the world
Yearly Deficit​	-500,943
Gas Imports​	500,943
Gas Exports​	0
Net Imports ​	500,943

And IIRC - there are far more substantial Gas reserve deposits (according to a 2020/21 survey) in the Black-Sea and Eastern-Ukraine areas, then those mentioned above.

E.g.
From Wikipedia,

See also: Russia–Ukraine gas disputes and Natural gas transmission system of Ukraine
Ternopil
Ukraine extracts about 20 billion cubic meters of fossil gas each year, and since 2022 this has almost met demand.[1] Ukraine has been estimated to possess natural gas reserves of over 670 billion cubic meters (in 2022),

E.g. From Rand Corporation

Ukraine does indeed control Europe's second-largest known reserves of natural gas, almost 80 percent of which are located east of the Dnipro River. And though Ukraine theoretically might have considerable shale gas reserves, Russia currently has no experience or technology for shale gas production. For shale oil production, Russia has historically relied on Western technology. However, this reliance has been seriously impeded since 2017, when the United States introduced sanctions to ban American companies from providing shale oil extraction technologies to Russia.

Russia’s invasion and continued possession of the Donbass region and the Crimea Peninsula since March 2014 has subsequently caused significant, strategic level damage to Ukraine’s economy. Looking at Figures 5 and 6, the fighting between Ukraine and the DPR/LPR in the southern edges of the Dnipro-Donetsk basin, along with its proximity to Russia-Ukraine borders, would appear to deny Ukraine the full use of its largest oil and gas basin. Furthermore, the possession of Crimea by Russia would appear to deny Ukraine access to its Crimea Oil and Gas basin as well as use of its Deepwater Licences due to the risk of Russian naval activity in the Black Sea.

Adding to the above problems is the impact of Russia’s invasion on Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) in the industry. After the conflict began in 2014, oil and gas firms Royal Dutch Shell and Chevron withdrew their investments in the Yuzovsky and Olesska shale gas blocks, affecting even the Carpathian basin despite it being insulated from the fighting. As shown in Figures 4-6, the withdrawal of these investments has amplified the impact of losing the Dnipro-Donetsk basin and the Crimea basin Central Intelligence Agency, 2021; Intelligence Fusion, 2021).

The Forgotten Potential of Ukraine’s Energy Reserves

A resolute development of Ukraine’s untapped reserves in the production, export and storage of energy would be in the interest of all sides involved.

hir.harvard.edu

Despite the enormous potential of Ukraine’s energy reserves, there are non-trivial costs to developing Ukraine’s capabilities. According to an assessment study by the Ukrainian Institute for the Future, a transformation of Ukraine into a self-sufficient energy consumer and potential exporter would require a number of investments amounting to approximately US$19.5 billion. Of this amount, about US$3.5 billion are needed for developing gas fields and building pipelines, US$14 billion would have to be invested into oil extraction, and US$2 billion would go toward oil refining.

Hydrogen is another new horizon for Ukraine’s underdeveloped energy industry. Today, various gas distribution companies are examining Ukraine’s pipeline capacities with the hope of converting some of the existing infrastructure to deliver hydrogen to their customers in the future. The EU has identified Ukraine as a priority partner for future collaboration in the use of hydrogen to enhance the Union’s energy supply and security.