Tyre Nichols body cam footage

[XponentialChaos]

Absolutely not.

So the police fucked up. Awesome, we agree.

 

[tahuyaman]

Resists, Mr Semantics. You know exactly what he meant.

The officers were dead wrong on this one. They did nothing right. Everything they did was wrong.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Are we trying to save lives or score points?

The absolutely best way to avoid a confrontation with police is to comply.

And there’s a second side to that as well.

Police need to de-escalate and they need to not beat people to death.

People don’t trust the police because of assholes like these cops, and because people will rush in to defend them regardless of the poor judgment they use.

There were 5 of them there. Five of them. Not a single one of them told the others to stop as they beat this guy to death. Is this going to help people trust the police or not?

We need to hold police accountable. We need to get rid of the bad apples.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The police in Memphis see this behavior every day. Not pulling over immediately is almost universally a bad sign.

And yet the police in St Louis told my wife if there are flashing lights behind her on one of the streets she takes to and from work to not pull over but drive up to the fire station on the road and then pull over as criminals also have flashy lights.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Comply or risk getting the shit beat out of you.

A gamble I’ve never taken.

You are a good little drone, never question authority.

 

[tahuyaman]

Sorry. There's a video. He was fighting back.

He was not. The guy was scared and he was pleading with the officers. They were preventing him from doing exactly what they were ordering him to do. The officers basically got in each other’s way. Their improper actions caused this to escalate to a place which was completely avoidable.

 

[tahuyaman]

And there’s a second side to that as well.

Police need to de-escalate and they need to not beat people to death.

People don’t trust the police because of assholes like these cops, and because people will rush in to defend them regardless of the poor judgment they use.

There were 5 of them there. Five of them. Not a single one of them told the others to stop as they beat this guy to death. Is this going to help people trust the police or not?

We need to hold police accountable. We need to get rid of the bad apples.

I don’t know how anyone can defend these officers. I know that no experienced law enforcement people would.

 

[tahuyaman]

The military "hurts people and breaks things". What's the difference?

A police department is not a military force. Police and military train and prepare for far different scenarios.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

By the time this goes to trial, conservatives will vilify Nichols more than they have Hitler

As you will vilify "the police" for the action of these 5 thugs

 

[Missourian]

And there’s a second side to that as well.

Police need to de-escalate and they need to not beat people to death.

People don’t trust the police because of assholes like these cops, and because people will rush in to defend them regardless of the poor judgment they use.

There were 5 of them there. Five of them. Not a single one of them told the others to stop as they beat this guy to death. Is this going to help people trust the police or not?

We need to hold police accountable. We need to get rid of the bad apples.

I'd imagine Mr Nichols would rather be alive than hold police accountable if he had his druthers.

I don't disagree with you.

But would you be a cop in Memphis.

I wouldn't.

Not enough money in the world.

What's the upside?

So if I won't do...and you wouldn't do it... as, even though we disagree often, your arguments are logical...

...so who is left to do the policing?

Those who are undertrained, unsuitable, just looking for a paycheck.

And those people are going to inevitably end up in situations like this.

The message is...if a suspect fights with you...it's safer for you to just let them go.



Do you disagree

 

[Missourian]

And yet the police in St Louis told my wife if there are flashing lights behind her on one of the streets she takes to and from work to not pull over but drive up to the fire station on the road and then pull over as criminals also have flashy lights.

And then resist arrest?

You live near St. Louis...that explains a lot.

 

[Woodznutz]

A police department is not a military force. Police and military train and prepare for far different scenarios.

But they often act the same (hurt people and break things).

 

[tahuyaman]

By the time this goes to trial, conservatives will vilify Nichols more than they have Hitler

Nope. Conservatives will condemn the way the police handled this particular situation.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And then resist arrest?

Nope, no resisting, just getting the car and her to a safe space to pull over.

You live near St. Louis...that explains a lot.

We do, my wife works downtown at the VA. Does that explain a lot as well?

 

[Missourian]

Nope, no resisting, just getting the car and her to a safe space to pull over.

Nothing wrong with that...but once you move to a safer area...you don't resist...you comply.

 

[Missourian]

We do, my wife works downtown at the VA. Does that explain a lot as well?

Not nearly as much as you being an urbanite. But I'm positive you DON'T live in East St. Louis.

Probably O'Fallon close to the mall.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I'd imagine Mr Nichols would rather be alive than hold police accountable if he had his druthers.

I don't disagree with you.

But would you be a cop in Memphis.

I wouldn't.

Not enough money in the world.

What's the upside?

So if I won't do...and you wouldn't do it... as, even though we disagree often, your arguments are logical...

...so who is left to do the policing?

Those who are undertrained, unsuitable, just looking for a paycheck.

And those people are going to inevitably end up in situations like this.

The message is...if a suspect fights with you...it's safer for you to just let them go.



Do you disagree

Looks like we have common ground. A few points:

- No, I wouldn’t want to be a police officer. It’s a difficult and dangerous job that not anyone can do. These five idiots obviously can’t do the job either.

- This is why I have argued against defunding the police. You don’t fix these issues by taking funds away from them. If anything, they need more funds along with with more accountability.

- Doctors, pilots, police. What do they have in common? When they don’t know how to do their job, people die. It’s as simple as that. As such, they need to be well-compensated, well-trained, and have high standards of accountability.

- In general, obviously we should not be letting suspects go. In this situation, it would be better to just impound the car than to beat the guy to death. But to your point, no we shouldn’t let suspects go. We should expect five police officers to be able to handle a single skinny guy who is laying on the ground, without needing to resort to beating him to death.

- It seems that these officers, along with exercising extremely poor judgment, are also really out of shape. Hearing them on the body cam footage and they are breathing way too hard, for way too long for such a short encounter. Maybe this is why five dudes couldn’t handle a little skinny guy. It’s a physical job and maybe they’re not cut-out for it anymore.

- Let’s suppose you’re out at a night club. A 20-something-year-old 145-pound guy starts acting belligerent. Bouncers kick him out of the club. Do the bouncers need to beat the guy to death in order to get him under control? Ridiculous. Why do we have lower expectations for “highly trained” police officers? Police need to be better than this.

 

[XponentialChaos]

As you will vilify "the police" for the action of these 5 thugs

Not all police.

These 5? Absolutely.

 

[JusticeHammer]

He seemed compliant enough.

Five cops could have just restrained him if they needed to. They didn't have to beat him.

He wasn't compliant at all.

 

[pknopp]

The kicking in the head thing was uncalled for and I agree with you there. But when I watched the video what I seen was officers having to use physical force against a suspect using physical force against them. So again I ask, if a suspect fights an arrest, what are police to do outside of physical restraint or force, just let them go?

A suspect? Suspecting of doing what?