Two Ways to Help Stop Mass Shootings

[Donald H]

Bovine scatology. Let's see how much you THINK you know vs reality.

Las Vegas shooter -- took 6 or MORE AR styles to his suite. Didn't modify the RIFLES for "rapid fire", bought a gimmick that bumped the stock of the rifle against a trigger finger.

Yes, I believe that's all correct, but I haven't actually spent time studying that shooting. I have no reason to think you wouldn't be telling it like it was.

If these are "assault weapons designed for military use -- WHY DID ONE PERSON NEED SIX OF THEM? WHY DID HE NEED A GIMMICK ADD-ON to ACHIEVE "rapid fire"?

I didn't say they were assault rifles designed for military. But I would say the assault rifle designed for military use were patterned after them. And of course the shooter didn't modify his weapons to fully automatic.
Actually I wonder why he didn't? Would it not be fairly simple for even an amateur machinist/

And why when the cavalry arrived did they find 2 or 3 of those rifles with bulging barrels and permanently jammed?

I didn't know that but why would I be interested in finding out?

You're hopelessly ill-informed.

Actually i'm quite well informed on firearms but my knowledge is somewhat outdated. I became familiar with the FNC1 and FNC2.

Bulged barrels can be caused by several differnt causes but the most likely in this case would be continuous rapid fire IMO.

 

[Donald H]

For fuck sack name the branch of service that uses ar 15s? The police use them but not the military

I didn't say there was one.

I get the feeling we're not all working together to reach the same end. What the hell are you so miffed about?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I didn't say there was one.

I get the feeling we're not all working together to reach the same end. What the hell are you so miffed about?

You are correct we aren't working together no fucking way do I want anything you have to offer to be considered.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Yes, yes. Let's save the babies while they are in the womb, but once they are in school, let's make it easy for them to be killed.
Makes perfect sense.

You're the one denying them police protection and other safety precautions that you're more than willing to pay an arm and a leg for to give to politicians and countries that need security that our own borders are not given to the tune of well over forty billion dollars.

*****SMILE*****

 

[flacaltenn]

I didn't say they were assault rifles designed for military.

I didn't know that but why would I be interested in finding out?

You said they were designed for the INFANTRY? Which is it?

And of course the shooter didn't modify his weapons to fully automatic.
Actually I wonder why he didn't? Would it not be fairly simple for even an amateur machinist/

It's not easy and it's FUTILE. Because like the Las Vegas shooter -- EVEN with the vicious LOOKING heat sink on the barrel -- you'll jam it or blow up the fucking barrel. The "bump stock that he used is a "hold my beer" gimmick for shooters plincking cans. Serious gun enthusiasts probably wouldn't miss it if it was gone. But THAT is easy to design and retrofit and is a LIABILITY for use in mass shootings. You just demonstrated you STILL dont know why the L.V. needed SIX of them.

I didn't know that but why would I be interested in finding out?

Because it would cure your ignorance of calling ANY semi-auto weapon an "assault weapon". The term itself is MEANINGLESS. I have a sporting clays shotgun that can hold four in the tube and one in the chamber. With the right shell load, I can fire as fast as I pull the trigger. Is that an "assault shotgun"?

Bulged barrels can be caused by several differnt causes but the most likely in this case would be continuous rapid fire IMO.

Here we're talking about barrels liquifying and melting from the heat. The "heat ribbing" is only so effective on a NON-MILITARY grade rifle. THe first thing that melts is the RIFLING that spins the bullets and keeps on the sight line.

 

[Donald H]

You said they were designed for the INFANTRY? Which is it?

I used a quote that fit both when slightly modified.

It's not easy and it's FUTILE. Because like the Las Vegas shooter -- EVEN with the vicious LOOKING heat sink on the barrel -- you'll jam it or blow up the fucking barrel. The "bump stock that he used is a "hold my beer" gimmick for shooters plincking cans. Serious gun enthusiasts probably wouldn't miss it if it was gone. But THAT is easy to design and retrofit and is a LIABILITY for use in mass shootings. You just demonstrated you STILL dont know why the L.V. needed SIX of them.

I have no idea why he needed 6 of them. I've never suggested otherwise.
My best guess would be because he was destroying them with in experiments with rapid fire. The methods he used to accomplish same are pretty well understood I think.

Because it would cure your ignorance of calling ANY semi-auto weapon an "assault weapon". The term itself is MEANINGLESS. I have a sporting clays shotgun that can hold four in the tube and one in the chamber. With the right shell load, I can fire as fast as I pull the trigger. Is that an "assault shotgun"?

Of course it isn't an assault rifle or assault shotgun. But it's a good facsimile of an assault shotgun with maybe a longer barrel.

Here we're talking about barrels liquifying and melting from the heat. The "heat ribbing" is only so effective on a NON-MILITARY grade rifle. THe first thing that melts is the RIFLING that spins the bullets and keeps on the sight line.

I understand the purpose of rifling. And I think you're verifying my opinion on why the barrels were bulged. But still, it was only my educated guess on account of what I would suspect he was doing with his firearms.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Too many leftist democrats are profoundly ignorant and stubbornly clinging to making the numerous calls for more gun laws and bans despite that we have over 1,000-gun control laws already and often the mass killers passed the background check or just steal the firearms from their own parents or friends a problem that once didn't exist before Marxist propaganda infiltrated the country.

The same leftists Democrats who also resist looking at the DEMOGRAPHICS of the mass killers which indicate to me they are not looking for the solution to the problem but to increase control over the law-abiding people who doesn't abuse their guns it is SOLE reason why they use every tragedy for propaganda purpose to shackle the NRA, Republicans and continue to generate their divisive drive to build their endgame that is for total power over the country the essence of Marxism.

It has now become a patriotic duty of every decent American to resist the developing Marxist tyranny they are building against us by voting out every leftist, Marxist democrat scum out of office and vote in true loving supporters of the American Constitutional Republic!

Bring back the MODERATE Democrats and Republicans who truly love and support America back into the respective parties where it once again becomes possible to broker compromises and bi-partisan agreements to restore liberty and support justice for all and the end to blatant divisive and criminally Marxist based partisan politics.

Fight for your freedom, Fight for your families and Fight for the Republic!

 

[ClaireH]

I refused for years. Flat never will own a gun.

Then I got carjacked. An 18 year old gang banging illegal put a gun to my head and took my car. Because he had a gun didn't mean I has to have a gun. Instead of letting the system turn him loose I fought back. I hounded him at every court appearance. Then his lawyer provided dirt bag and co, my home address. I started getting nightly visits to persuade me to back off.

I got a gun. Then I got a shotgun. Then I got two rifles and a dog. "Come on mother fucker, I will enjoy blowing your head off". It all stopped. He ended up with 13 years and I joined the NRA.

When seconds count, the police are minutes away. Or not. It depends.

Good for you ECB to become proactive after a life-changing ordeal. The fact that the defense attorney of one of the thugs gave out your address? Honestly, I don’t know how I would’ve let that one go. Even 20 years after the fact, I’d be trying to get justice for that unethical action. Wow, not only a survivor of gang violence but upped your self-reliance ten-fold. I’d take my hat off to you if I had one on.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Good for you ECB to become proactive after a life-changing ordeal. The fact that the defense attorney of one of the thugs gave out your address? Honestly, I don’t know how I would’ve let that one go. Even 20 years after the fact, I’d be trying to get justice for that unethical action. Wow, not only a survivor of gang violence but upped your self-reliance ten-fold. I’d take my hat off to you if I had one on.

It is HIGHLY illegal to release the personal information of a victim or juror.

That was only the beginning. I was a practicing attorney myself at the time and the system attacked me and really tried to destroy me. He was a young, Mexican, illegal trying to make a better life. I was the racist in his way. I was supposed to NOT report the carjacking to the police. I was SUPPOSED to wait 24 hours then fill out a counter report that I could take to the insurance company. Listen to the bastards yammer about theft, arson and insurance. That's what the fuckers are talking about.

After I saw this dirtbag go to prison he started calling me. I called the warden to revoke his phone privileges. Nope. I got laughed at. Never play games with a pissed off lawyer that considers personal cases a hobby. I jerked his fat ass into court on a writ of mandamus and forced him to revoke ALL of Danny Dirt bags phone privileges.

Then I asked a couple of clients on the inside to teach this kid some manners.

 

[flacaltenn]

Question for the gun enthusiasts: If that had been one of your children or grandchildren killed at Robb Elementary School a few days ago, would you still feel the same way? Would you want to keep the gun laws the same? Would you still want our politicians to be puppets of the NRA?
Be truthful, please.

yes to the NRA representing our lobby. (which BTW I've asked you twice nicely about "my alternative" for lobbying Congress and haven't seen your response.) And for the gun laws, check the 3rd paragraph here.

YES -- because the crime was a PERSON problem and not a gun problem. Who do I blame if one of my kids gets purposely pushed onto subway tracks? The TRAIN??? And the "person problem" is NOT just the mentally unstable teen shooter. There's MANY "person problems" that exacerbated this crime. Starting with the broken family, the out of touch grandparents over their heads in dealing with this perp, and the SROfficer NOT on premises, and the TERRIBLE response to rush the room with KIDS STILL ALIVE in there.

THat's why -- Ms Turquoise, I'm now convinced that kids are not maturing quickly enough to be able to purchase a long rifle with a magazine or clip. I HATE doing that because the fair majority probably are as mature as some 39 somethings. But clearly, the law now is purchases on HANDGUNS are at age 21 and I would like the rifle purchases - except for single shot bolt action -- to also be 21. IT WILL help in a large percentage of these kid on kid school shootings.

 

[flacaltenn]

I used a quote that fit both when slightly modified.

I have no idea why he needed 6 of them. I've never suggested otherwise.
My best guess would be because he was destroying them with in experiments with rapid fire. The methods he used to accomplish same are pretty well understood I think.

Of course it isn't an assault rifle or assault shotgun. But it's a good facsimile of an assault shotgun with maybe a longer barrel.

I understand the purpose of rifling. And I think you're verifying my opinion on why the barrels were bulged. But still, it was only my educated guess on account of what I would suspect he was doing with his firearms.

Point is -- the AR is guaranteed to fail under extended "rapid fire". And BATF makes CERTAIN all "AR style" rifles STAY that way. Go ask them.

 

[flacaltenn]

TIme-out. Pop quiz. Is this nasty looking weapon -- an "assault rifle"?? Ms. Turquoise

I had an Anschutz as a TEEN (same class, same purpose) without all the optical stuff.

 

[Vagabond63]

cant help but notice you deflected when proven wrong,, why is that??

Where have I "deflected" and where have I been "proven wrong"?

If someone invades my home, exactly how are those branches of the military going to protect me?

Ah, so you are expecting an invasion and have a locked and loaded assault rifle in every room, easy to get hold of whenever this "invasion" should happen? Hope you get it right when it happens.

Mom: Daughter mistaken for intruder by father, fatally shot

Police say a man fatally shot his 16-year-old daughter in the family’s Ohio home after he mistook her for an intruder

abcnews.go.com

 

[Vagabond63]

Yep.....joe biden has taken money from every foriegn country that would let his drug addicted son set foot on their soil...including Russian and China...

Nah, everyone knows that was Trump.

 

[Vagabond63]

Yeah.....you get charged by a feral hog, or a violent criminal, and then wonder what you do when your first shot misses...

So you agree that you are all bad shots then? Fun fact regarding bolt action rifles: In 1914 the British army were armed with the Lee-Enfield bolt action rifle. When the Germans first encountered British Infantry, they thought they were all armed with machine guns due to how rapidly they fired their bolt action rifles.

 

[Vagabond63]

You guys thought the Maginot Line would save you from the Germans....

No, the French did, after the slaughter of WW1, they had no stomach for a repeat. The Maginot line could have worked but for the political issues surrounding building it along the borders of allied/friendly countries, which the Germans invaded to get around it.

you guys thought that giving up your guns to your governments would make you safer....

Who gave up their guns in Europe? Gun laws were quite lax in Europe, the French, for example even had their own "2nd ammendment" Article 42 of the Penal Code of 1810. Restrictions were put in place in 1939 because of fears about a Communist uprising at the time

Then the German socialists murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children, and didn't stop until Americans...with their guns, made them stop....

Actually, the Soviet Union made the greatest contribution to stopping Hitler and the Nazis, who were never "socialists" as you keep declaring. If anything the Nazis were what your current Republican Party and our Conservative Party are becoming.

 

[Vagabond63]

All of these weapons are semi-automatic.

Erm, the bottom two are handguns, not rifles, do pay attention.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

In the 1960s Ronald Reagan was Governor of California. The Black Panthars in Oakland, CA were becoming active and wanted to protect their neighborhoods from police brutality against African-Americans.
They started openly carrying guns. Once they even visited the California state Capitol building carrying guns. (I know Reagan didn't like that).
So---Gov Reagan made a new law stating it was illegal to openly carry guns in public. No such law had existed in California before that.
Just an example of what politicians can do when and if they want to.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

flacaltenn
No. That looks like a toy gun to me.

 

[OnePercenter]

Use a gun in the commission of any crime: Federal, life without parole.
Use a gun in the commission of any crime that causes injury or death of another person: Federal death penalty.