Two Questions that non-LGBT-Q Supporters of Trans Rights Must Answer to be Credible

[JoeB131]

It is to those who hate women.

Or are just too fucking cowardly to stand up for and protect women.

It's a way for a cowardly, weak, pussified excuse for a man to feel better about not having what it takes to stand up for women.

Uh, guy, I was in the Army for 11 years.
(Oh, you claimed I wasn't, then I produced photographs of myself in uniform.)
No question about my willingness to stand up for people.

"Eek, that woman who peed in the next commode might have had a penis at one point" isn't something people need to be protected from.

Now, when I was in AIT at Ft. Lee (now thankfully renamed to Fort Gregg-Adams) we had this one redneck who babbled, "That women are only good for two things, Cooking and fucking!" (Even though we had three females in our class.) To which I responded, "So they are good for two more things than you are?"

It was a joy when this redneck washed out of the course because he couldn't understand the basic paperwork.

 

[JoeB131]

But there's one thing Mulvaney has yet to do: Have her first kiss as a girl.

"I'm getting a little impatient because, especially when you're feeling yourself and even looking at that Grammys picture, I'm like, that's somebody who should not be single," she tells PEOPLE exclusively. "But then you're like, wait, why is no one in the DMs?"

Not sure what "DMs" are, but this might be an opportunity for J. Edgar.

I've got a better question, why are you sooo fucking obsessed about a person you probably never heard of until some twit at Anhauser Busch sent her some novelty beer cans?

I kind of suspect that most of the anger at trans folks is a fear by cisgendered men that they might accidentally pick one up and get a Danny Bonaduce surprise.

 

[JoeB131]

The media's new idea of "manliness" is to be abusive toward women, rather than protective of women. Hard to blame women for falling for "bad boy" type men, when there are so few good men anymore. Instead we have adult males who are basically inert, neither abusing, nor protecting women. Instead, they mouth the phrases of woke theory to justify their refusal to be men.

Wow, that sounds like something an actual incel would say.

Men who solve problems, fix things, take the lead, and stand up for their loved ones, while respecting everyone until they are disrespected are going out of style. Not because they are no longer popular, but because so many young males find free porn and student loan so much easier than growing up to be men.

Again, you sound like one of those sad types who gets terribly upset that the new Star Wars movies have female protagonists. How dare they not respect my ideal of manliness?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Or that it's just not a big fucking deal, because we have some Victorian notions about 'private areas".

They are not "Victorian," they have been part of our culture for decades since before the Victorian era, all the way up to . . . well now. There are a vocal minority supporting biological males in the female private areas, but they are by no means represenative of contemporary culture. In fact, I rarely see a biological female who is not some kind of TV personality or celebrity say they want biological males to enter their bathrooms. It is nearly always a transwoman advocating for that.

When Christian missionaries came across tribal people who were naked most of the time, they wanted them to wear clothes. They tried persuasion, but went quickly to force if the people did not change fast enough.

The LGBT-Q activists and their allies are operating the same way.

I would say that they should have a history of identifying as female, they just can't decide that day, for instance. But here's the reality... trans-ladies have been peeing in those areas ever since the Victorians established them.

Yes, people have always played dress up. When caught, they had consequences.

Why in the world can they not decide that day? If they are about to enter the girls room and someone questions it, they can go in if they decided last Tuesday, but not if they decided this morning?

More to the point, suppose I want to use the ladies room because I believe they are generally cleaner, and I think urinals are always nasty. Shouldn't I be able to, just like the Japanese do it? The ladies in that bathroom assumed that risk, just as you said.

I don't want to have sex with them because most of them are hideously ugly.

That is the third reason you have given. First, it was that they were dishonest in not telling you they had a penis (which most trans allies would excoriate you for saying), then it was that they do not have a sex hole, and now it is that they are hideously ugly.

Not saying that you're wrong, all three are valid reasons. They all stem from the fact that "transwomen" are not women.

Actually, I find it fucking insulting when someone says 'I'll pray for you".

They you seek reasons to feel insulted.

Let's take your trans person who you Bible Thumpers are going to "Pray for". Why? They are clearly happy with their lives.

Wait, what? Are they happy with their lives, or do they have a shockingly high suicide rate?

They'd be happier if they didn't have to deal with bigots like you and the Mormon Stalker, but they are certain who they are and want to live that way.

Are they certain? At what age are they certain? Please respond either with data, or with "I dunno."

"I'm going to pray to my almighty Sky Pixie so that you change to something I'M comfortable with." What absolute narcissism.

I don't see saying that "I'll pray for you to change," meaning change your choices is any more narcissistic than saying, "Your thinking is wrong on this issue."

 

[Seymour Flops]

I've got a better question, why are you sooo fucking obsessed about a person you probably never heard of until some twit at Anhauser Busch sent her some novelty beer cans?

I kind of suspect that most of the anger at trans folks is a fear by cisgendered men that they might accidentally pick one up and get a Danny Bonaduce surprise.

If I was a chaser of chicks with dicks, you can bet I could do a lot better that that honky-tonk trailer trash.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Uh, guy, I was in the Army for 11 years.
(Oh, you claimed I wasn't, then I produced photographs of myself in uniform.)
No question about my willingness to stand up for people.

"Eek, that woman who peed in the next commode might have had a penis at one point" isn't something people need to be protected from.

Now, when I was in AIT at Ft. Lee (now thankfully renamed to Fort Gregg-Adams) we had this one redneck who babbled, "That women are only good for two things, Cooking and fucking!" (Even though we had three females in our class.) To which I responded, "So they are good for two more things than you are?"

It was a joy when this redneck washed out of the course because he couldn't understand the basic paperwork.

Fort Lee? What was your MOS? 76 Yankee?

I went through there for QM OBC and ADMOC (officer version of Rigger School), in 1989. Met Mrs. Flops at the officer's club and married her five weeks later.

 

[JoeB131]

Point you're missing is that it is not those opposing men in women's bathrooms that are the haters.

Uh, yeah, frankly, it kind of is. That you start thread after thread harping on their very existence is kind of telling.

I mean, I really dislike Mormons, but the only time I started threads on it was when Romney was in a slight danger of being president. That was when "Member of a deranged cult getting nukes" was a serious concern.

Protecting women is not hate.

Protecting them from what, exactly? Here's the reality- women are in a lot more danger from sexual assault, sexual harassment and sexual discrimination from Cisgendered men than transgendered women. You have a guy like DeSantis who just changed the Alimony Laws, leaving thousands of women in the lurch. Their right to reproductive health is under assault. Particularly when you have guys like Mormon Bob who honestly thinks women should be executed for having abortions. I worry far more about guys like that than Dylan Mulveny, to be honest.

Nor I. But I am not a female whose right to privacy has been recognized for decades until aggressive and hostile transfolk decided that nothing matters but their drama.

Wow, um, what were you saying about drama again?

That is not a difference at all. It is who they think they are. In reality, they are not women, but are trans-women. "Trans-women" are not "women," just because the second part of the hyphenated phrase is "women." No more than "non-women" or "would-be women," are a type of women.

And they are a very tiny minority of people. You still have not explained why 135 million American females have to give up their privacy and safety to accommodate them.

Oh, My god, before you said there were 165 million American females! Did we lose 30 million of them since yesterday? Did they all turn into Trans-Man and get dicks added to them.

 

[JoeB131]

If I was a chaser of chicks with dicks, you can bet I could do a lot better that that honky-tonk trailer trash.

Um, I guess. Frankly, I think she's kind of an attention seeking goof, but then again, so is Trump.

Fort Lee? What was your MOS?

I went through there for QM OBC and ADMOC (officer version of Rigger School), in 1989. Met Mrs. Flops at the officer's club and married her five weeks later.

76Y. Since then they changed the MOS number to 92Y for some reasons in the 1990's right after I left. (I like to joke that like Michael Jordan, they retired my number after I left)

 

[themirrorthief]

There are two questions that should be required before you even discuss how you think that transgender people should have all rights and privileges enjoyed by cisgender people of the gender they are transitioning to.

For this thread, I'll talk about transwomen who want to be able to use which ever bathroom, changing room, or locker room they choose. Specifically, biological men who identify as women and expect others to affirm that by saying nothing when they go into private women's spaces.

If you support that, your two questions are:

1) How far along in the transition does a bio-male have to be for us to have to accept that they are a woman or girl? Do they have to dress like a woman? All the time, or can they just change into a girl's swimsuit for the meet, and otherwise avoid feminine cothes or makeup? Does it not even matter because "girls clothes" and "boys clothes" are just social constructs anyway?

I'm chubby, bearded, balding, and wear men's clothes. If I were to walk into a women's bathroom or locker room, and there are people around who notice me walking in, should they say anything, either to me or to management? Or should they assume that by walking into the women's room, I indicate that I am a transwoman and mind their own business? If they ask and I tell them I'm trans, should that be the end of the discussion?

If that is not enough, then where do you draw the line?

2) Would you have sex with a pro-op transwoman? Assume that - other than having a penis - she is attractive enough for you to be interested if the opportunity was there. If you're married or otherwise committed, you can still answer the question as a hypothetical. I'm happily married also, but we won't go to heck or have to sleep on the couch if we speculate about whether we'd have sex with the St Pauli Girl vs. the Bud Lite Girl.

These questions are key to your being sincere abut supporting transwomen and girls "rights" to female private spaces. If you would not have sex with a pre-op trans because the penis would make you so uncomfortable that you could not enjoy sex, then you have no business at all ridiculing and mocking a fourteen year old girl who would be uncomfortable in a locker room with a girl or woman with a penis.

none of this matters man and woman are exactly the same...ask any liberal

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If you have taken your flabby ass to a health club lately…

Someone who is morbidly obese, to the point of looking like a heart attack, a stroke, or some combination thereof just waiting to happen, is calling me “flabby”.

 

[JoeB131]

Someone who is morbidly obese, to the point of looking like a heart attack, a stroke, or some combination thereof just waiting to happen, is calling me “flabby”.

Except I'm really not... and it's clear you haven't been to a health club lately.
Are you still stalking strangers on the internet, Bob?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Except I'm really not... and it's clear you haven't been to a health club lately.
Are you still stalking strangers on the internet, Bob?

I've seen the pictures that you've posted online of yourself. You're not exactly someone who should be calling anyone else “flabby”.

And why would I need to go to a health club? My profession is my health club.

 

[progressive hunter]

There are two questions that should be required before you even discuss how you think that transgender people should have all rights and privileges enjoyed by cisgender people of the gender they are transitioning to.

For this thread, I'll talk about transwomen who want to be able to use which ever bathroom, changing room, or locker room they choose. Specifically, biological men who identify as women and expect others to affirm that by saying nothing when they go into private women's spaces.

If you support that, your two questions are:

1) How far along in the transition does a bio-male have to be for us to have to accept that they are a woman or girl? Do they have to dress like a woman? All the time, or can they just change into a girl's swimsuit for the meet, and otherwise avoid feminine cothes or makeup? Does it not even matter because "girls clothes" and "boys clothes" are just social constructs anyway?

I'm chubby, bearded, balding, and wear men's clothes. If I were to walk into a women's bathroom or locker room, and there are people around who notice me walking in, should they say anything, either to me or to management? Or should they assume that by walking into the women's room, I indicate that I am a transwoman and mind their own business? If they ask and I tell them I'm trans, should that be the end of the discussion?

If that is not enough, then where do you draw the line?

2) Would you have sex with a pro-op transwoman? Assume that - other than having a penis - she is attractive enough for you to be interested if the opportunity was there. If you're married or otherwise committed, you can still answer the question as a hypothetical. I'm happily married also, but we won't go to heck or have to sleep on the couch if we speculate about whether we'd have sex with the St Pauli Girl vs. the Bud Lite Girl.

These questions are key to your being sincere abut supporting transwomen and girls "rights" to female private spaces. If you would not have sex with a pre-op trans because the penis would make you so uncomfortable that you could not enjoy sex, then you have no business at all ridiculing and mocking a fourteen year old girl who would be uncomfortable in a locker room with a girl or woman with a penis.

all the surgeries in the world will make a man a women,,

and because its a man I am not gay so I wouldnt date a tranny,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Works on the assumption that transgenderism is a mental disorder, or that they hate their biological gender.

50 years ago, homosexuality was called a mental disorder.
100 years ago, women were considered mentally unstable because they had uteruses. (Hence, the word "Hysteria".)

No one should expect a 'right to privacy" in a public place. As stated cisgendered women have probably been peeing and pooping next to transgendered women since segregated bathrooms were invented in the 19th century. (Before that, no one really cared that much!)




You mean like those uppity black people who insisted on using the same bathrooms white people got to use?

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But we know why trans-women are going into the women's room. They identify as women.

both trans and all forms of gay are a mental disorder,,

 

[miketx]

Works on the assumption that transgenderism is a mental disorder, or that they hate their biological gender.

50 years ago, homosexuality was called a mental disorder.
100 years ago, women were considered mentally unstable because they had uteruses. (Hence, the word "Hysteria".)

No one should expect a 'right to privacy" in a public place. As stated cisgendered women have probably been peeing and pooping next to transgendered women since segregated bathrooms were invented in the 19th century. (Before that, no one really cared that much!)




You mean like those uppity black people who insisted on using the same bathrooms white people got to use?

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But we know why trans-women are going into the women's room. They identify as women.

queer

 

[JoeB131]

I've seen the pictures that you've posted online of yourself. You're not exactly someone who should be calling anyone else “flabby”.

And why would I need to go to a health club? My profession is my health club.

It's still a little weird to be stalking people on line looking for pictures..

Kind of like getting up at 3 in the morning to rant about them.

Look, man I know I ruined your life when I told you the truth about Joseph Smith, but you need to move on, man.

 

[JoeB131]

all the surgeries in the world will make a man a women,,

and because its a man I am not gay so I wouldnt date a tranny,,

Again, tell me which one of these three used to be a man.

both trans and all forms of gay are a mental disorder,,

What do you base that on? Because it's not something you are comfortble with?

 

[rightwinger]

both trans and all forms of gay are a mental disorder,,

So is Conservatism

 

[Seymour Flops]

Again, tell me which one of these three used to be a man.

What do you base that on? Because it's not something you are comfortble with?

You want me to guess, it's the one on the right. Possibly the one on the left. If it is the one in the middle, I'd be extremely surprised.

But what is the point of that question? That a transwoman can look like an actual woman even though a transwoman is male? Sure they can, give the incredible amount of time, money and energy pageant contestants spend making themselves look like the pageant ideal of a beautiful, it would not be surprising that such efforts could even make a man look like the pageant ideal of beauty.

FWIW, the one in the middle looks much too natural to be a dude in drag. If I'm wrong about that, either the art of womanface has improved more than I realized, or the pic is enhanced.

Another reason to guess the one on the right, is that she is featured prominently compared to the others. Let me guess: She won? What a surprise ending that must have been, that they let the tranny win. Just like when "Lia" Thomas was awarded first place after tying with Gaines.

You've already admitted that you wouldn't have sex with a transwoman and made no exception that I know of. Which makes perfect sence because you are a heterosexual male, and transwomen are a type of man, not a type of woman.

 

[progressive hunter]

Again, tell me which one of these three used to be a man.

What do you base that on? Because it's not something you are comfortble with?

just because they are good with make up doesnt make them a women you stupid fuck,,

drop their pants and I can tell you,,