Two Questions that non-LGBT-Q Supporters of Trans Rights Must Answer to be Credible

[Seymour Flops]

Works on the assumption that transgenderism is a mental disorder, or that they hate their biological gender.

50 years ago, homosexuality was called a mental disorder.
100 years ago, women were considered mentally unstable because they had uteruses. (Hence, the word "Hysteria".)

So, we cannot accept any of modern psychology and psychiatry because in the past, those fields held views that we disagree with today?

Gender Dysphoria is listed in the DSM-V, which is a book of mental disorders for mental health professionals to reference. If you are that much smarter than today's psychologists, you should write your own book.

You mean like those uppity black people who insisted on using the same bathrooms white people got to use?

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A woman or girl not wanting to see a man's penis in the women's room =/= a racist white not wanting to see a black person in the white's room. Can't even give you a "nice try" for that one.

But we know why trans-women are going into the women's room. They identify as women.

Can you articulate any difference between "identify as," and "thinks they are" in that sentence?

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, you accidentally gave me what I was looking for: an admission that you don't like being close to exposed penises. Few heterosexual men do. So you should understand women and girls feeling the same way, is the point.

Oh, quite the contrary, when I go to a locker room, I see a whole bunch of penises. Not sure why you think "being in the proximity of, maybe" is the same as "being in intimate contact with".

I get that you want to do some rhetorical gymnastics, but if you keep that up, I cannot give you credit for answering honestly.

No, guy, you are the one who is engaging in the gymnastics, equating being in the same room as a naked person as being the same as having sex with them.

Yes, and the ancient pagans sacrificed babies so that the weather gods would grant them the right amount of rain. That is not a justification for abortion. Neither is communal toilets of days gone by a justification for having separate private areas for each of the two genders, but allowing men to violate that privacy at will.

Or it's a matter of culture. Sacrificing a baby is doing harm to a baby. "Eek I saw a penis" is not doing you any harm. Get over it. It's a penis.

But, you may be able to answer this quetion than none of your felling trans allies have: Would the simplest way be to just take all of the "Men" and "Women," "Boys" and "Girls" signs off of bathrooms and then each public establishment will have two unisex bathrooms? In the future, each newly constructed building can have one.

I see no problem with that, once we get over our hangups. A lot of places are ALREADY doing that. Go into a Starbucks sometime.

Ok, yeah. I don't want to argue the value of women's sports as a way for you to derail the topic. Start a thread entitled "Women's Sports are Useless," and I'll be happy to take the counter point on that.

On topic, though, the only reason female sports exist is to give them their own special category. So you are upset trannies are gaming a system the feminists already gamed.

On that thread state whether you believe women's sports should be eliminated with women being welcome to try out for the men's team, which will be called "the teams."

Or not. I'm just not that worked up on the subject.

Communal bathing, FKK, naturism, are different topics. You go into a nudist resort, or a nude sauna, and it would be silly to complain about what you see there. Go into a room marked "Women" and it makes sense to expect that only women will be there.

Okay. Some of them are Trans-women. Deal with it.

A male walking into a women's locker room with several naked women, and stripping down in front of them while watching them is outlandish behavior.

But trans-women aren't "male", are they?

I don't hate on them for existing. I see them all the time in Houston, and I have no problem with them. Frankly, out trannies know better than to think they should walk into women's bathrooms in public. I've never seen that once. It's a Texas thing where we respect each other. A very conservative church-going Texan being introduced to a transwoman who is not at all passable would say something like "well, bless your heart," and go home and pray for them.

Yeah, praying to your imaginary sky friend...that's always helpful. In fact, when my mom had cancer, I prayed she'd get better. She didn't. No God.

Which is fine. If they don't go into a women's private area, very few would care. We've had trans people of various kinds since forever, and we've had transexuals actively seeking to transform their bodies into another gender since the seventies at least. Nobody much cared until a small minority of them insisted on encroaching into women's sports and private areas.

Which means the bigots are finding the last little group they can hate on, please, please please let me hate them. Please.

The only reason I care about posting about transgenders is so I can watch liberals doing verbal gymnastics to avoid answering questions.

Not really. I've stated my position. Pretty clearly.

So, we cannot accept any of modern psychology and psychiatry because in the past, those fields held views that we disagree with today?

Gender Dysphoria is listed in the DSM-V, which is a book of mental disorders for mental health professionals to reference. If you are that much smarter than today's psychologists, you should write your own book.

The point is, they've changed it from the DSM-IV, which listed it as a mental illness to be cured to one to be accommodated.

A woman or girl not wanting to see a man's penis in the women's room =/= a racist white not wanting to see a black person in the white's room. Can't even give you a "nice try" for that one.

I have to ask a question, when you do into locker rooms, do you do a "junk check".

I've been in locker rooms a whole bunch of times, and I have to tell you, I shower, I get dressed, and I don't spend any time checking out the other dude's junk.

Can you articulate any difference between "identify as," and "thinks they are" in that sentence?

The former is a matter of personal identity... that's the difference. It's who they are.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

But trans-women aren't "male", are they?

As a matter of undeniable scientific fact, yes, they are.

They certainly are not female, in any meaningful or rational sense.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Oh, quite the contrary, when I go to a locker room, I see a whole bunch of penises. Not sure why you think "being in the proximity of, maybe" is the same as "being in intimate contact with".



No, guy, you are the one who is engaging in the gymnastics, equating being in the same room as a naked person as being the same as having sex with them.



Or it's a matter of culture. Sacrificing a baby is doing harm to a baby. "Eek I saw a penis" is not doing you any harm. Get over it. It's a penis.



I see no problem with that, once we get over our hangups. A lot of places are ALREADY doing that. Go into a Starbucks sometime.

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I get it. You think that women and girls should just accept the idea that men with penises are going to be exposing them in what used to be female private areas. Because ancient Greeks, or something.

I disagree, but at least you are being consistent.

I take it that your answer to the first question is that there is no standard as to who can walk into a female private area. If they walk in, then by that very act, they announce that they are a woman or girl, no matter how male they look.

Or maybe you think that by walking into a women's bathroom, they announce nothing more than that they wish to walk into a woman's bathroom, and therefore have the right do that?

On topic, though, the only reason female sports exist is to give them their own special category.

Yes, they should have a special category so that they can enjoy the many benefits of sports.

So you are upset trannies are gaming a system the feminists already gamed.

Let trannies form their own leagues.

Okay. Some of them are Trans-women. Deal with it.

Trans-women are not women. If they were, we would not need to call them "Trans-women." We would just call them women.

But trans-women aren't "male", are they?

Of course they are male. That's why you don't want to have sex with them. If they are not male then why the need for the phrase "trans?" What are they transitioning from and to? If they are already female, no need to transition.

Yeah, praying to your imaginary sky friend...that's always helpful. In fact, when my mom had cancer, I prayed she'd get better. She didn't. No God.

Praying is helpful for some people, not for others. Few people who actually pray see it as a way of placing an order for service, and expecting the order to be fulfilled. Sorry about your mom.

I don't pray to any imaginary sky friend, I told you what a conservative church-going Texan would do. I would never ask Allah to change someone else. I never ask Allah to do anything, because Allah needs no advice from me on what to do.

Point you're missing is that it is not those opposing men in women's bathrooms that are the haters.

Which means the bigots are finding the last little group they can hate on, please, please please let me hate them. Please.

Protecting women is not hate.

The point is, they've changed it from the DSM-IV, which listed it as a mental illness to be cured to one to be accommodated.

I dont' know about that. You'd have to quote that DSM-IV talking about curing Gender Identity Disorder as it was called in that volume. I literally lost my old one in a flood, or I'd look it up.

I have to ask a question, when you do into locker rooms, do you do a "junk check".

I've been in locker rooms a whole bunch of times, and I have to tell you, I shower, I get dressed, and I don't spend any time checking out the other dude's junk.

Nor I. But I am not a female whose right to privacy has been recognized for decades until aggressive and hostile transfolk decided that nothing matters but their drama.

The former is a matter of personal identity... that's the difference. It's who they are.

That is not a difference at all. It is who they think they are. In reality, they are not women, but are trans-women. "Trans-women" are not "women," just because the second part of the hyphenated phrase is "women." No more than "non-women" or "would-be women," are a type of women.

And they are a very tiny minority of people. You still have not explained why 135 million American females have to give up their privacy and safety to accommodate them.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Which means the bigots are finding the last little group they can hate on, please, please please let me hate them. Please.

Real men feel a strong sense of duty to protect women and children from deranged sexual perverts.

Pathetic, worthless, excuses for men, take the side of the perverts.

You've made it quiet clear enough which you are.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There are two questions that should be required before you even discuss how you think that transgender people should have all rights and privileges enjoyed by cisgender people of the gender they are transitioning to.

For this thread, I'll talk about transwomen who want to be able to use which ever bathroom, changing room, or locker room they choose. Specifically, biological men who identify as women and expect others to affirm that by saying nothing when they go into private women's spaces.

If you support that, your two questions are:

1) How far along in the transition does a bio-male have to be for us to have to accept that they are a woman or girl? Do they have to dress like a woman? All the time, or can they just change into a girl's swimsuit for the meet, and otherwise avoid feminine cothes or makeup? Does it not even matter because "girls clothes" and "boys clothes" are just social constructs anyway?

I'm chubby, bearded, balding, and wear men's clothes. If I were to walk into a women's bathroom or locker room, and there are people around who notice me walking in, should they say anything, either to me or to management? Or should they assume that by walking into the women's room, I indicate that I am a transwoman and mind their own business? If they ask and I tell them I'm trans, should that be the end of the discussion?

If that is not enough, then where do you draw the line?

2) Would you have sex with a pro-op transwoman? Assume that - other than having a penis - she is attractive enough for you to be interested if the opportunity was there. If you're married or otherwise committed, you can still answer the question as a hypothetical. I'm happily married also, but we won't go to heck or have to sleep on the couch if we speculate about whether we'd have sex with the St Pauli Girl vs. the Bud Lite Girl.

These questions are key to your being sincere abut supporting transwomen and girls "rights" to female private spaces. If you would not have sex with a pre-op trans because the penis would make you so uncomfortable that you could not enjoy sex, then you have no business at all ridiculing and mocking a fourteen year old girl who would be uncomfortable in a locker room with a girl or woman with a penis.

Your questions have nothing to do with the overall subject, only your fascination and desire for a transwoman.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Which means the bigots are finding the last little group they can hate on, please, please please let me hate them. Please.

Protecting women is not hate.

It is to those who hate women.

Or are just too fucking cowardly to stand up for and protect women.

It's a way for a cowardly, weak, pussified excuse for a man to feel better about not having what it takes to stand up for women.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It is to those who hate women.

Or are just too fucking cowardly to stand up for and protect women.

It's a way for a cowardly, weak, pussified excuse for a man to feel better about not having what it takes to stand up for women.

The media's new idea of "manliness" is to be abusive toward women, rather than protective of women. Hard to blame women for falling for "bad boy" type men, when there are so few good men anymore. Instead we have adult males who are basically inert, neither abusing, nor protecting women. Instead, they mouth the phrases of woke theory to justify their refusal to be men.

Men who solve problems, fix things, take the lead, and stand up for their loved ones, while respecting everyone until they are disrespected are going out of style. Not because they are no longer popular, but because so many young males find free porn and student loan so much easier than growing up to be men.

Real men are still very popular. I know, I raised four of them, or I should say we raised four of them with Mrs Flops giving explicit instructions on how to be men while I set the example. They were hugely popular with girls, since they had so little competition. In their early teens, when they came with us to stores or the mall, girls they knew were always coming up to talk to them. So much so, that Mrs. Flops would roll her eyes and say "of course," when we saw one approaching.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Male incels tend to be MAGA types with subcategories among Mormonism and white Pentecostalism.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Since no one except JoeB is interested in even trying to answer the questons, here is something you trans allies could do:



For those who think that they never see transfolk, that person in that video is not a woman. That is a "transwoman" which is not a type of woman, but an imitator of women. It's a dude who thinks he can wear womanhood like a halloween constume.

He's barking up the wrong tree, since trans allies tend to be liberal Democrats. Liberal Democrats don't volunteer to help others, nor give other people money. They rely the forced generosity of others for their student loan, no work/no show jobs, and other forms of welfare.

If I'm wrong, say so. Just send this guy five bucks and post that you did.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

seymour talks of what he does not know

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Male incels tend to be MAGA types with subcategories among Mormonism and white Pentecostalism.

 

[miketx]

To me, that is none of my business

I can’t understand why Republicans obsess over it

We don't obsess over, you scum can't stop whining about it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

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Another male incel:

But there's one thing Mulvaney has yet to do: Have her first kiss as a girl.

"I'm getting a little impatient because, especially when you're feeling yourself and even looking at that Grammys picture, I'm like, that's somebody who should not be single," she tells PEOPLE exclusively. "But then you're like, wait, why is no one in the DMs?"

Not sure what "DMs" are, but this might be an opportunity for J. Edgar.

BTW, here's a female Incel:



Sad part is that if this woman is smart enough to figure out that liberal men are basically wussies who are too intimidated by women to play the man's role in a relationship, then she is also smart enought to see through other liberal nonsense. But at her age, she is under way to much peer pressure, or she would be dating non-liberal men already.

 

[miketx]

seymour talks of what he does not know

Who are those queers in your avatar?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Seymour Flops has the hots for Dylan Mulvaney!

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Another male incel:

There's a term I've heard—“Transmaxxing”. I just now Googled it, to see if I could make any sense of it, and no, I really can't. At the surface, it's about male incels going “trans girl”, not because they think they were “born in the wrong body”, but because they somehow believe their lives will be better as “trans girls” than as men.

Beyond that, I am completely lost as far as trying to make any more sense of it, to understand why they think that this is any improvement. But it certainly does not seem implausible that Dylan Mulvaney might be an example of this phenomenon.

 

[miketx]

There's a term I've heard—“Transmaxxing”. I just now Googled it, to see if I could make any sense of it, and no, I really can't. At the surface, it's about male incels going “trans girl”, not because they think they were “born in the wrong body”, but because they somehow believe their lives will be better as “trans girls” than as men.

Beyond that, I am completely lost as far as trying to make any more sense of it, to understand why they think that this is any improvement. But it certainly does not seem implausible that Dylan Mulvaney might be an example of this phenomenon.

They are all mentally ill.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

They are all mentally ill.

 

[JoeB131]

I get it. You think that women and girls should just accept the idea that men with penises are going to be exposing them in what used to be female private areas. Because ancient Greeks, or something.

Or that it's just not a big fucking deal, because we have some Victorian notions about 'private areas".

I take it that your answer to the first question is that there is no standard as to who can walk into a female private area. If they walk in, then by that very act, they announce that they are a woman or girl, no matter how male they look.

I would say that they should have a history of identifying as female, they just can't decide that day, for instance. But here's the reality... trans-ladies have been peeing in those areas ever since the Victorians established them.

Yes, they should have a special category so that they can enjoy the many benefits of sports.

Or we can stop giving out free scholarships for being strong and just give them out for being smart. That's an idea. Again, get rid of the Title IX scams, no one would care about this issue.

Of course they are male. That's why you don't want to have sex with them. If they are not male then why the need for the phrase "trans?" What are they transitioning from and to? If they are already female, no need to transition.

I don't want to have sex with them because most of them are hideously ugly.

Praying is helpful for some people, not for others. Few people who actually pray see it as a way of placing an order for service, and expecting the order to be fulfilled. Sorry about your mom.

Actually, I find it fucking insulting when someone says 'I'll pray for you".

Let's take your trans person who you Bible Thumpers are going to "Pray for". Why? They are clearly happy with their lives. They'd be happier if they didn't have to deal with bigots like you and the Mormon Stalker, but they are certain who they are and want to live that way.

"I'm going to pray to my almighty Sky Pixie so that you change to something I'M comfortable with." What absolute narcissism.