Two Questions re: Ukraine

[MetalMars]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

I know you are a troll and not asking questions, but I will respond so you can ignore the answers.

1. Russia started the war.
2. Trump is indeed trying to stop the killing. Other than direct warfare, which I don't believe even you want, I believe Trump is doing his best to end the killing. It would help if Europe stopped buying Russian Energy, but they are obviously not serious about stopping anything.

 

[imawhosure]

You two have now provided excellent proof of complete Cognitive Rigidity .

Both of you have become members of the Simple Simon Club and entitled to your ID Card Stating that you are a sufferer of Mass Formation Psychosis .

Feel happy to direct us to any of your other Brain Freeze moments in order to improve your place on the Cerebral Small Vessel Disease ( CSVD ) table

HEHEHEHEHEHE, nice speech from a European, LEFTIST, loon-)

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Didn't Biden extend the exit date to September 11th unilaterally?

Correct. That's the one change Biden made to the Trump Surrender agreement that Trump negotiated with the terrorists.

He did so to give Americans and our allies more time to get out, since Trump's deadline was too short.

And now Trump has removed their protected status, like the rat fink he is.

 

[BlindBoo]

Tater followed NOTHING in that deal, Stupid. Pedo Joe owns that debacle.

The grand deflection. The Doha Agreement was fulfilled in 2020, well our end of the agreement anyway. The Taliban didn't fulfill 6 out of 7 of it's conditions. Conditions that should have been met before we started Trump's Skedaddle. In 2020 Trump withdrew 4 times as many troops as he left behind for the next president, who had to deal with the withdrawal deadline. Just 2,500 troops. Not enough to carry out any evacuation.

 

[OldFlame]

You’ve posted over 125,000 times in here, and still manage to delude yourself into thinking that no one knows you’re a leftist trying to masquerade as some sort of moderate?

You only engage with other leftists, insult the hell out of Republicans, never respond to republicans, and promote leftist ideological goals….plus you have an arrogance the size of Texas and WE somehow don’t know where you stand?

That’s the dumbest thing you ever posted.

 

[Mac-7]

Again you prove you know nothing. Obama started it.

SHUT OFF FOX NEWS!!!!!!

Obama opened the door and practically invited Putin in, but the actual invasion began under biden

 

[Missourian]

The grand deflection. The Doha Agreement was fulfilled in 2020, well our end of the agreement anyway. The Taliban didn't fulfill 6 out of 7 of it's conditions. Conditions that should have been met before we started Trump's Skedaddle. In 2020 Trump withdrew 4 times as many troops as he left behind for the next president, who had to deal with the withdrawal deadline. Just 2,500 troops. Not enough to carry out any evacuation.

Again. Didn't Biden unilaterally extend the exit date?

According to the words that came out of Biden's mouth (we can't assume they were his words given his decline, but these were the words spoken by Biden)...

Biden Announces Full U.S. Troop Withdrawal From Afghanistan by Sept. 11

President Joe Biden announced the drawdown of all 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan beginning May 1 and concluding by Sept. 11, the 20th anniversary of the war.

www.defense.gov

 

[BlindBoo]

You don't remember history very well. Afghanistan fell and the Taliban took over under Biden, not under Trump.

How convenient of you to forget the events of 2020. Before the Doha Accords were signed we had over 13,000 troop stationed there. By the end of 2020 and Benedict's term, we only had about 2,500. Those withdrawals, along with a few others, was our commitment in those accords. The Taliban didn't honor 6 out of 7 of it's commitments. Why did Benedict continue to withdraw all those troops when the Taliban refused to comply with the conditions they agreed too? Afghanistan was already descending into chaos throughout 2020 because the Taliban was allowed to continue it's terrorization of the Afghan Countryside.

 

[BlindBoo]

Again. Didn't Biden unilaterally extend the exit date?

According to the words that came out of Biden's mouth (we can't assume they were his words given his decline, but these were the words spoken by Biden)...

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Biden Announces Full U.S. Troop Withdrawal From Afghanistan by Sept. 11

President Joe Biden announced the drawdown of all 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan beginning May 1 and concluding by Sept. 11, the 20th anniversary of the war.

www.defense.gov

What Biden did after being left with just 2,500 troops, and a rapidly approaching complete withdrawal deadline May 1st 2021, doesn't absolve Benedict Donald's actions in 2020.

 

[imawhosure]

You two have now provided excellent proof of complete Cognitive Rigidity .

Both of you have become members of the Simple Simon Club and entitled to your ID Card Stating that you are a sufferer of Mass Formation Psychosis .

Feel happy to direct us to any of your other Brain Freeze moments in order to improve your place on the Cerebral Small Vessel Disease ( CSVD ) table

Let us all face reality, and argue if you wish---------> The itty-bitty, shi**y European committee,
that have NEVER been able to handle their own crap, want YOU, the American PUBLIC to save their worthless a**es again! When the POOP hit the fan, how much did LUIZA and all his EU friends invest in saving Ukraine? Reports are from 1/3rd, to 1/2 of the investment the USA invested. But of course, MR PROPAGANDA/GASLIGHTING/ASTRO TURFING LEFTIST LOON known as the BIG L, (short for LOSER) wants to tell all of you how WE have to project more power.....for THEM, lol!

Where were YOU big L?

Stick it! The best thing we can do is leave you constantly fighting EUROPEANS to your own devices. Between the bunch of you, YOU started 2 world wars, have tried to kill each other almost as long as the actors in the Middle East have, and unless bailed out by the United States, in modern times have lost every war......or were losing every war.....the lot of you participated in until we showed up.

Raise your OWN taxes Luiza, AKA, the BIG L! We aren't going to allow Trump to send you any more cash, no more weapons, unless you PAY, and PAY BIG!

 

[Missourian]

What Biden did after being left with just 2,500 troops, and a rapidly approaching complete withdrawal deadline May 1st 2021, doesn't absolve Benedict Donald's actions in 2020.

Doesn't it?

If Biden didn't agree with Trump's actions, he had a responsibility to change course.

Trump is responsible for actions that occurred while he was president.

Biden, or the secret cabal that governed for Biden with Biden as a figurehead, are responsible for the action and consequences of their decisions.

And this is the problem!

A mentally sound Biden may have done things differently. The cabal had little skin in the game. The buck stops with Biden.

Are you saying Biden was lying in his speech? That no one was consulted? That there was no "Biden Plan"? That Biden or the cabal didn't actually conclude it was time to bring the troops home? They just closed their eyes, crossed their fingers and followed Trump's plan to the letter???

We know that's bullshit, because... Biden unilaterally changed the exit date.

Your position is he moved the exit date to September 11th with an known possibility... an expectation even, that the withdrawal would fail spectacularly???

Because that's far worse than just making a mistake. That's borderline criminal!

So which is it? Biden was lying, or Biden was completely incompetent. Those are your choices. That is what your vote led to.

 

[BlindBoo]

If Biden didn't agree with Trump's actions, he had a responsibility to change course.

What a lame excuse for Benedict Donald not enforcing the condition of his so called conditional withdrawal in 2020 that was. You think Biden could have reversed the damage to the peace accord even if he wanted to? What The Gaffer did and how Benedict Donald put him in between a rock and a hard place are two different things.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Doesn't it?

If Biden didn't agree with Trump's actions, he had a responsibility to change course.

Trump is responsible for actions that occurred while he was president.

Biden, or the secret cabal that governed for Biden with Biden as a figurehead, are responsible for the action and consequences of their decisions.

And this is the problem!

A mentally sound Biden may have done things differently. The cabal had little skin in the game. The buck stops with Biden.

Are you saying Biden was lying in his speech? That no one was consulted? That there was no "Biden Plan"? That Biden or the cabal didn't actually conclude it was time to bring the troops home?

That he moved the exit date to September 11th with an expectation the withdrawal would fail spectacularly???

Because that's far worse than just making a mistake. That's borderline criminal!

So which is it? Biden was lying, or Biden was completely incompetent. Those are your choices. That is what your vote led to.

Missourian, it's NEVER the fault of the democraps, and it is ALWAYS the fault of Trump. That's Rule #1 in the democrap playbook. Don't like Rule #1? Then you are a racist, a Nazi, and stupid. That's rule #2. There are only 2 rules.

 

[Missourian]

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You think Biden could have reversed the damage to the peace accord even if he want to?

If he couldn't, he should have never been president.

We don't elect a President to just go along! We elect a President to make the tough decisions!

Sometimes the unpopular decisions.

If Trump had the big chair on September 11th, he would have been responsible. But Biden had been President for almost a year.

You can attempt to spin this in any direction you want, but the fact is, Biden has the final decision. And he chose poorly.

The Buck Stops with the man in the big chair.

 

[BlindBoo]

If he couldn't, he should have never been president.

The option was on the table and presented to him. They could have retaken Kabul with about 10 thousand fresh troops and only suffer a few hundred casualties. The hard decision was to end the 20 year occupation.

Why did Benedict give the Taliban such an advantage in 2020?

 

[Missourian]

The hard decision was to end the 20 year occupation.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[XponentialChaos]

There is no war in Ukraine. None has been declared.

There’s definitely a war happening in Ukraine.

 

[BlindBoo]

Can't have it both ways.

It was hard in that he had to go against the Military who wanted to continue the occupation. Then he ordered the military to plan and execute the evacuation. Trumpy tried to evacuate everyone by Jan 15 2021, but the military guys apparently told him what a shit show that would be and he chickened out.

 

[Missourian]

It was hard in that he had to go against the Military who wanted to continue the occupation. Then he ordered the military to plan and execute the evacuation. Trumpy tried to evacuate everyone by Jan 15 2021, but the military guys apparently told him what a shit show that would be and he chickened out.

Read with less partisanism, you're saying Trump made the right decision and Biden made the wrong decision.

Which is exactly my point.

 

[jc456]

From an Independent rather than a Republican...

1. Russia started it

Technically Ukraine Started the war in 2014 with obammy

Did Putin invade Ukraine because of NATOs "broken promise"? | Feature from King's College London

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