CDZ Two options...the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse.

[Blues Man]

In Britain and the rest of Europe, their citizens have no Right to protect themselves from violent attack...and the best tool for self defense, guns....has been taken away from most of them, in particular the low income groups.

In the U.S. in most places Americans can opt to use guns for at a minimum home defense, and in a vast majority of the country over 19.4 million Americans can legally carry guns for self defense.

In Britain, in particular.....rapes, brutal beatings, brutal knifings (that result in death or life changing injuries), robberies and murder, essentially have to be endured......and almost any attempt at self defense can land the actual victim in jail and prison.

In the U.S.......Americans can use their legal guns...which they do 1.1 million times a year, to stop rapes, brutal beatings, knifings, robberies and murder.

In our country we had 10,235 gun murders.....of those murders over 70-80% of the victims were criminals murdered by other criminals...they were not normal citizens. Of the rest of the victims, the vast majority are the friends, family and associates of the criminals hit by mistake as the actual criminal was the target.

Guns, again, are used in the U.S. 1.1 million times a year to save lives...from rape, robbery, beatings, knifings and murder.........over 170,000 lives saved by some research..........not to include the crimes stopped that also saved lives....

In the U.K.......victims of crime are majority innocent people......who are preyed upon by the British criminals...

Which model do you prefer?

We kill lots of people. They don't kill nearly as many. We should do what they are doing.
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Most of those gun deaths take place in our uber violent inner cities and we don't do anything to stop it because the powers that be don't give a shit if young urban criminals kill other young urban criminals.

 

[2aguy]

In Britain and the rest of Europe, their citizens have no Right to protect themselves from violent attack...and the best tool for self defense, guns....has been taken away from most of them, in particular the low income groups.

In the U.S. in most places Americans can opt to use guns for at a minimum home defense, and in a vast majority of the country over 19.4 million Americans can legally carry guns for self defense.

In Britain, in particular.....rapes, brutal beatings, brutal knifings (that result in death or life changing injuries), robberies and murder, essentially have to be endured......and almost any attempt at self defense can land the actual victim in jail and prison.

In the U.S.......Americans can use their legal guns...which they do 1.1 million times a year, to stop rapes, brutal beatings, knifings, robberies and murder.

In our country we had 10,235 gun murders.....of those murders over 70-80% of the victims were criminals murdered by other criminals...they were not normal citizens. Of the rest of the victims, the vast majority are the friends, family and associates of the criminals hit by mistake as the actual criminal was the target.

Guns, again, are used in the U.S. 1.1 million times a year to save lives...from rape, robbery, beatings, knifings and murder.........over 170,000 lives saved by some research..........not to include the crimes stopped that also saved lives....

In the U.K.......victims of crime are majority innocent people......who are preyed upon by the British criminals...

Which model do you prefer?

We kill lots of people. They don't kill nearly as many. We should do what they are doing.
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Demographics explain that, not guns. The whitest countries tend to have the lowest violent crime in general, as do countries like Japan and South Korea.

Take away the legal guns, and you'll still have plenty of knifings and gang violence here. And since most criminals already can get guns illegally, there will still be plenty of shootings.

Are Americans just inherently more violent and murderous than the rest of the world?

No......we just have criminals who commit crimes, get caught, and then the democrat party politicians, judges and prosecutors let them go.......for now, Britain doesn't do that...but their left wing is trying hard to let their violent criminals go too...

Our violent crime is committed by a tiny, tiny number of people in our democrat party controlled cities...if they would stop releasing them, our crime rate in democrat party cities would be amazingly low...like the rest of America....

In places not controlled by the democrat party, our gun crime rates are as tiny or smaller than in Europe.

So are gun crimes limited to within the criminal community, like you said or not?

Completely limited, no...since criminals actually can drive cars, and our wonderful government moves the families of gang members out to the suburbs....

The majority of our criminals shootings occur in tiny areas of democrat party controlled cities, committed by a tiny number of criminals. The problem happens when the democrat party prosecutors drop gun charges, and when judges grant bail, and light sentences for even the most violent, repeat gun offenders....

The United States can really be divided up into three types of places. Places where there are no murders, places where there are a few murders, and places where murders are very common.

In 2014, the most recent year that a county-level breakdown is available, 54% of counties (with 11% of the population) have no murders. 69% of counties have no more than one murder, and about 20% of the population. These counties account for only 4% of all murders in the country.

The worst 1% of counties have 19% of the population and 37% of the murders. The worst 2% of counties contain 28% of the population and 51% of the murders. The worst 5% of counties contain 47% of the population and account for 68% of murders. But even within those counties the murders are very heavily concentrated in small areas.

Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders

You can examine the picture of the US counties in more detail by opening it in a new tab. The Distribution of murders The United States can really be divided up into three types of places. Places w…

crimeresearch.org

And....from the Washington Post....please tell us how "WAshington Post," spells NRA....

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas. These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/

You are talking in circles, and all your silly cut and paste is annoying. Try again later after your head cools off.

So...we have reached the point where you have no answer..........I have the facts, the truth and reality...you can't answer my questions, and you can't deny the facts.........

What does the woman do when the guy who brutally beat her and pulled out two of her teeth gets out of British prison in 4 years?

What does the young woman who was gang raped in the Manchester park do about keeping it from happening again? You know, since Sadiq Khan, mayor of london also said that London is not safe for women or girls...what do they do?

Answer this question directly, without any tap dancing or diversion, and I will consider continuing. You claim that if you don't associate with crooks, you don't have to worry about gun crime. Are all, or even most of the NRA gun nuts who are armed 24/7 associates of criminals, or criminals themselves? Yes or no.

I don't tap dance or divert....you can't answer my questions and you can't answer the facts, truth or reality of my information.

No, they are not.....NRA members are law abiding people. Do some have criminals in the family, sure....but they don't have criminals as family members as a majority of the population of NRA members. The areas in democrat party controlled cities where almost all of our gun crime takes place have generational poverty as a result of fatherless homes.....it creates generations of fatherless boys who turn to drugs, gangs and crime to find meaning and power........

So according to you, they have no need to fear gun violence. That makes them nutbags that don't need to carry a gun, but do it anyway. Right?

Where did I say that there is zero crime that they have to fear? The best neighborhoods have the money....they also have victims........so they can and do draw criminals......ask Sharon Tate.

Violence happnes randomly to normal people......but like fires and lightning strikes it is rare....especially if you don't bring it into your life by being a criminal or having a relative who is a criminal or a friend who is a criminal.

What about that is so hard for you to understand.

The woman in the suburbs near my home bringing in her groceries who was violently attacked by a local teenager from the local high school was completely safe from gang gun violence, but not that random teenager.

Your arguments really need some work........since the facts, truth, and reality do not support your world view, you are stretching and stretching to try to bend reality to your unreality...it isn't going to work.

You really should try to remember what you said before.
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I posted what I stated in the very first post...you should try reading it....

 

[Quasar44]

Maybe China can eliminate Seattle , Portland , SF and LA

 

[2aguy]

Okay......I have yet to see the fans of the European model explain how these women save themselves...

One woman...brutally beaten and has 2 teeth pulled out of her mouth by the hands of her violent attacker.....after the crime..not before...he is arrested and sentenced to 4 years in prison......he may get out early too....

What does she do in the British system?

The guy violated a then current restraining order........

Sohaib Younis broke a restraining order

Under the British System...what do you think this woman should do when this guy gets out in 4 years.....?

A man has been jailed for four years for a vicious attack on his former partner in which he pulled out two of her teeth with his hands. Sohaib Younis broke a restraining order when he went inside the woman’s home and tried to resume their relationship last year. A struggle ensued and Younis told the victim he would ‘kill her’ if she called the police, then fled the scene, Bradford Crown Court heard. Younis returned a week later and entered her house but became angry when she refused to get into bed with him.
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The court heard he then launched a brutal assault and punched his ex several times in the face, dragged her into the living room by her hair and kicked her in the face. He then picked up a pair of scissors and stabbed her in the left side of her head. He refused to leave and lunged at her with a screwdriver causing a cut above her eye, prosecutor Nadim Bashir said. Ms Bashir told the court Younis, from Halifax, West Yorkshire, pinned the woman down, put his hand into her mouth and pulled out two of her bottom teeth – causing immense pain.


Read more: Man pulled woman's teeth out with his bare hands in terrifying attack



This woman...gang raped in a public park by a group of men the police will not identify or say how many there were...in Britain, her only option is a rape alarm.

What does this woman do the next time a group of men want to rape her?

Please....explain......what do these women do to prevent these attacks from being repeated in the British system.............the one guy is out in 4 years...what does she do?

 

[candycorn]

You need to provide sources for these numbers

Okay....

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

Statistics were debunked long ago.

There are nowhere near a million defensive gun uses per year.

That would be 2,740 a day, every day.

Put another way, that would be about 115 an hour, every hour, every day.

Visually....everyone you see in these 10 pictures of the stadium....would have had to have used a gun in self defense in a year.


The cartoonish figure has been debunked over and over again....

The figure is closer to about 80,000 and many of those are passive gun displays...not active gun uses.

Defensive gun use - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ask yourself...do you know anyone who has had to have a shoot out with someone? No.
Do you know anyone who knows anyone who has had a shoot out with someone? No.

 

[2aguy]

You need to provide sources for these numbers

Okay....

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

Statistics were debunked long ago.

There are nowhere near a million defensive gun uses per year.

That would be 2,740 a day, every day.

Put another way, that would be about 115 an hour, every hour, every day.

Visually....everyone you see in these 10 pictures of the stadium....would have had to have used a gun in self defense in a year.

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The cartoonish figure has been debunked over and over again....

The figure is closer to about 80,000 and many of those are passive gun displays...not active gun uses.

Defensive gun use - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ask yourself...do you know anyone who has had to have a shoot out with someone? No.
Do you know anyone who knows anyone who has had a shoot out with someone? No.

Negative.....you simply saying...."I debunk thee......" is not debunking research performed by at least 17 research groups, both private and public, including the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice...when they were under the control of the democrat party and looking to disprove Gary Kleck's research......17 studies.....using professional research methods...

barak obama, in 2013....looking to restart gun control ordered the Centers for Disease Control to go through all gun related research...spent about 10 million dollars to do it...

What did they find......research showed between 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses each year........in 2013, looking at all the research...

So you can deny the research, but it is the research......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[2aguy]

You need to provide sources for these numbers

Okay....

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

Statistics were debunked long ago.

There are nowhere near a million defensive gun uses per year.

That would be 2,740 a day, every day.

Put another way, that would be about 115 an hour, every hour, every day.

Visually....everyone you see in these 10 pictures of the stadium....would have had to have used a gun in self defense in a year.

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The cartoonish figure has been debunked over and over again....

The figure is closer to about 80,000 and many of those are passive gun displays...not active gun uses.

Defensive gun use - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ask yourself...do you know anyone who has had to have a shoot out with someone? No.
Do you know anyone who knows anyone who has had a shoot out with someone? No.

And while you are here......

.I have yet to see the fans of the European model explain how these women save themselves...

One woman...brutally beaten and has 2 teeth pulled out of her mouth by the hands of her violent attacker.....after the crime..not before...he is arrested and sentenced to 4 years in prison......he may get out early too....

What does she do in the British system?

The guy violated a then current restraining order........

Sohaib Younis broke a restraining order

Under the British System...what do you think this woman should do when this guy gets out in 4 years.....?

A man has been jailed for four years for a vicious attack on his former partner in which he pulled out two of her teeth with his hands. Sohaib Younis broke a restraining order when he went inside the woman’s home and tried to resume their relationship last year. A struggle ensued and Younis told the victim he would ‘kill her’ if she called the police, then fled the scene, Bradford Crown Court heard. Younis returned a week later and entered her house but became angry when she refused to get into bed with him.
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The court heard he then launched a brutal assault and punched his ex several times in the face, dragged her into the living room by her hair and kicked her in the face. He then picked up a pair of scissors and stabbed her in the left side of her head. He refused to leave and lunged at her with a screwdriver causing a cut above her eye, prosecutor Nadim Bashir said. Ms Bashir told the court Younis, from Halifax, West Yorkshire, pinned the woman down, put his hand into her mouth and pulled out two of her bottom teeth – causing immense pain.


Read more: Man pulled woman's teeth out with his bare hands in terrifying attack



This woman...gang raped in a public park by a group of men the police will not identify or say how many there were...in Britain, her only option is a rape alarm.

What does this woman do the next time a group of men want to rape her?

Please....explain......what do these women do to prevent these attacks from being repeated in the British system.............the one guy is out in 4 years...what does she do?

 

[candycorn]

Again, there is zero way that there are 1,000,000+ defensive gun uses in a year. Not in the US; not world wide. The actual figure is likely in the 80,000 range.

 

[2aguy]

Again, there is zero way that there are 1,000,000+ defensive gun uses in a year. Not in the US; not world wide. The actual figure is likely in the 80,000 range.

And again, you didn't answer the question.....

have yet to see the fans of the European model explain how these women save themselves...

One woman...brutally beaten and has 2 teeth pulled out of her mouth by the hands of her violent attacker.....after the crime..not before...he is arrested and sentenced to 4 years in prison......he may get out early too....

What does she do in the British system?

The guy violated a then current restraining order........

Sohaib Younis broke a restraining order

Under the British System...what do you think this woman should do when this guy gets out in 4 years.....?

A man has been jailed for four years for a vicious attack on his former partner in which he pulled out two of her teeth with his hands. Sohaib Younis broke a restraining order when he went inside the woman’s home and tried to resume their relationship last year. A struggle ensued and Younis told the victim he would ‘kill her’ if she called the police, then fled the scene, Bradford Crown Court heard. Younis returned a week later and entered her house but became angry when she refused to get into bed with him.
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The court heard he then launched a brutal assault and punched his ex several times in the face, dragged her into the living room by her hair and kicked her in the face. He then picked up a pair of scissors and stabbed her in the left side of her head. He refused to leave and lunged at her with a screwdriver causing a cut above her eye, prosecutor Nadim Bashir said. Ms Bashir told the court Younis, from Halifax, West Yorkshire, pinned the woman down, put his hand into her mouth and pulled out two of her bottom teeth – causing immense pain.


Read more: Man pulled woman's teeth out with his bare hands in terrifying attack



This woman...gang raped in a public park by a group of men the police will not identify or say how many there were...in Britain, her only option is a rape alarm.

What does this woman do the next time a group of men want to rape her?

Please....explain......what do these women do to prevent these attacks from being repeated in the British system.............the one guy is out in 4 years...what does she do?

 

[2aguy]

Again, there is zero way that there are 1,000,000+ defensive gun uses in a year. Not in the US; not world wide. The actual figure is likely in the 80,000 range.

How did you get 80,000....let me tell you......some other anti-gun extremist looked around for the only study that has a number that small...it is called the National Crime Victimization Survey, conducted every year...

Your problem? All of the other gun studies I listed, actually ask the question...did you use a gun for self defense as part of the research process...

The National Crime Victimization Survey does not have the word "gun," in it, and never asks any direct question about using a gun for self defense....the respondents have to indepently bring up gun self defense in response to other questions......and that is the only reason they get a number that low...

And, even without having the word "gun," in their research, without actually asking any question about using a gun for self defense......they got 80,000 defensive gun uses...

Gun murder...10,235 in 2019........

Can you tell which number is bigger....

The source you are using that you don't link to or understand is like asking people what car they drive, then asking what they use the car for...and when they respond "I went to the store to buy orange juice," you then claim your study is the definitive study on breakfast juice purchases by Americans....

The Daily Kos on why the NCVS is wrong...
Defensive Gun Use Part III - The National Crime Victimization Study

The disadvantages of this study design are:
1) the study is not specifically designed to measure DGUs;

2) the study does not track every type of crime;

3) the study does not ask every interviewee about episodes of DGU;

4) interviewees are not specifically asked about defending themselves with a gun;

5) follow-up studies have demonstrated that the incidence of assault (and especially assaults by relatives and non-strangers) in the NCVS is under-reported, and if crime is under-reported then so too will DGUs be under-reported;

6) respondents’ anonymity is not preserved, and some interviewees may therefore feel wary or unwilling to discuss gun use with federal government employees.

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm....still waiting for those who support the European model for self defense to explain what these women should do........

In America, I would advise them to buy a gun, learn how to use it...also, I would suggest they watch the videos by Tim Larkin on self defense....read his books.........

What do you guys suggest the women in Britain do?

 

[Leo123]

Anyone asking for stats is ignorant. Everyone knows that crime in Europe is rampant.

 

[sartre play]

Gun owner, But last years numbers for gun deaths 38,658 is to many, even if you deny that number, half of that is almost 20 thousand dead. Some thing has gone very wrong.

 

[2aguy]

Gun owner, But last years numbers for gun deaths 38,658 is to many, even if you deny that number, half of that is almost 20 thousand dead. Some thing has gone very wrong.

We don't deny the number. The number is made up of over 2/3 suicides, and 1/3 gun murder....with the majority of the gun murder victims who are criminals, not normal people


So in no way are the numbers "too many," when 60% are suicides..........

Suicide by gun....2019

23,941

Gun murder.....

10,235

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Meanwhile.....with 600 million guns in private hands, and over 19.4 million Americans who can legally carry their guns in public for self defense.....

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders......

There are not too many guns.....our problem is the democrat party, a political party that keeps releasing violent gun criminals over and over again, no matter how many times they are caught with illegal guns and caught using illegal guns for crime...

 

[2aguy]

I have just discovered Tim Larkin...an expert in self defense........he teaches what to do when criminals give you no option....where your life is on the line, and the only option is violent injury to your attacker...

I just found this video....it is from a 2009 trip to England by Tim Larkin.......at the 1:26 mark....you see the attitude of the British........even if you are going to be brutally murdered....violence is not an option ....you must simply die...to be brutally raped, murdered, beaten, knifed......defending yourself by injuring your attacker is not to be tolerated....

As Tim Larkin explains, in response to the insanity......the 17 year old who was stabbed to death did everything that the British wanted him to do...he walked away, he gave no resistance....and they stabbed him to death.........

 

[2aguy]

Another day....and no answer from those who want European self defense.......

 

[2aguy]

Another day, still no answer...

 

[2aguy]

Another day.....another day the anti-gun extremists refuse to address my questions........they have no answer for the women of Britain facing gang rape, brutal beatings and murder....

 

[2aguy]

Another day.....another day the anti-gun extremists refuse to address my questions........they have no answer for the women of Britain facing gang rape, brutal beatings and murder....

And candycorn refuses to answer the question too......not surprising.........they have no answer ....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Another day.....another day the anti-gun extremists refuse to address my questions........they have no answer for the women of Britain facing gang rape, brutal beatings and murder....

And candycorn refuses to answer the question too......not surprising.........they have no answer ....

That one really is the quintessentially perfect Democrat voter.....doesn't have or need two cerebral neurons to rub together.