CDZ Two options...the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse.

[GLASNOST]

And the facts are that the Uk is a lot safer thaan the US with all of its guns. All of Western Europe is safer.

I doubt that you can prove this claim.

He already has.

 

[Open Bolt]

I thought you wanted to shy away from the discussion of guns ...

Never!

but here you are helping to prove that guns are the most dangerous of all.

Not at all. Cars are much much more dangerous than guns.

Maybe you need to think a bit harder before you respond.

No. I'm good.

He already has.

Not that I've seen. Although I admit I've only gotten through the first third of this thread so far.

 

[GLASNOST]

Never!



Not at all. Cars are much much more dangerous than guns.



No. I'm good.



Not that I've seen. Although I admit I've only gotten through the first third of this thread so far.

You are contradicting yourself.

 

[Blues Man]

And the facts are that the Uk is a lot safer thaan the US with all of its guns. All of Western Europe is safer.

No not really

The UK has higher crime rates in than the US in many categories.

Murder isn't the only crime you know.

And besides , since you don't know shit about this country you don't know that most murders occur in the poorest inner cities and that is by design.

The powers that be just don't give a shit about the young poor urban minorities that kill each other and the minority communities don't really give a shit either.

If either of those 2 groups really cared then somethin g would be done about it.

We do not prosecute gun crimes as the federal crimes they are so of course we have more. It has nothing to do with law abiding citizens owning guns.

 

[2aguy]

Really? Golly! So, all of those men, women and children who get blown to bits at kindergartens, primary schools, junior high schools, high schools, colleges, universities, post offices, churches, road rages and shopping malls are (sorry .... 'were') gang or drug cartel members? Hmmm, you learn something new every day!.

330 million Americans......how many committed mass public shootings in 2021....

6

How many did they murder....

43

Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...

So....6 people in a country of over 330 million committed mass public shootings....and for this, you think we should ban 600 million guns...?


Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

Total number of mass public shootings by year....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

 

[2aguy]

And the facts are that the Uk is a lot safer thaan the US with all of its guns. All of Western Europe is safer.

You mean except for the 15 million men, women and children you Europeans murdered in that 6 year period from 1939-1945.......when Americans with guns had to come in and stop the slaughter....

These aren't people killed as collateral damage...these are unarmed men, women and children murdered by the socialists.......

If you divide that number between the years 1939-2022.....Europe murdered more people than every single year of gun murder in the United States...

You assholes don't get to ignore that...

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No not really

The UK has higher crime rates in than the US in many categories.

Murder isn't the only crime you know.

And besides , since you don't know shit about this country you don't know that most murders occur in the poorest inner cities and that is by design.

The powers that be just don't give a shit about the young poor urban minorities that kill each other and the minority communities don't really give a shit either.

If either of those 2 groups really cared then somethin g would be done about it.

We do not prosecute gun crimes as the federal crimes they are so of course we have more. It has nothing to do with law abiding citizens owning guns.

Murder is the only crime that is comprable as there has to be a body. If we didnt count our poorest areas we wouldnt have any deaths either So stop pick and choosing to try and make your case. The stats dont lie. Guns make you less safe. Its not even a debate.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You mean except for the 15 million men, women and children you Europeans murdered in that 6 year period from 1939-1945.......when Americans with guns had to come in and stop the slaughter....

These aren't people killed as collateral damage...these are unarmed men, women and children murdered by the socialists.......

If you divide that number between the years 1939-2022.....Europe murdered more people than every single year of gun murder in the United States...

You assholes don't get to ignore that...

Same old shit. Find a new load of bollox.

 

[Open Bolt]

You are contradicting yourself.

I doubt it. But feel free to point out where you think there is a contradiction in my words.


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The stats dont lie. Guns make you less safe.

So do lawn mowers.

 

[GLASNOST]

Murder is the only crime that is comprable as there has to be a body. If we didnt count our poorest areas we wouldnt have any deaths either So stop pick and choosing to try and make your case. The stats dont lie. Guns make you less safe. Its not even a debate.

Thank you for that clarification but I'm afraid that the BS from that corner is unlimited and we'll have to endure it till the end of time.

 

[GLASNOST]

I doubt it. But feel free to point out where you think there is a contradiction in my words.

You say it's not guns .... but you proved that it is guns.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You say it's not guns .... but you proved that it is guns.

LOL only in your delusions

 

[Open Bolt]

You say it's not guns .... but you proved that it is guns.

That is incorrect. I have proved no such thing.

But here is proof that cars are much more dangerous than guns.

There were 458 fatal gun accidents in the US in 2018.

There were 39,404 fatal car accidents in the US in 2018.


Gun accident data acquired from this page:

NRA-ILA | Gun Safety

Find the answer to many of your FAQs here including information on Universal Background Checks, "Assault Weapons", and conceal carry.

www.nraila.org

Car accident data acquired from this page (I downloaded the data table to get the specific number for 2018):

Historical Car Crash Deaths and Rates - Injury Facts

Between 1913 and 2022, the number of motor-vehicle deaths in the United States increased 996%, from 4,200 deaths in 1913 to 46,027 in 2022.

injuryfacts.nsc.org

I guess I should have read lower on the NRA page. They had car accident numbers there too. But since I already looked up the other car accident numbers I guess I'll leave it like it is.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Thank you for that clarification but I'm afraid that the BS from that corner is unlimited and we'll have to endure it till the end of time.

i dont think they are bothered by common sense arguments. They just like guns.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

That is incorrect. I have proved no such thing.

But here is proof that cars are much more dangerous than guns.

There were 458 fatal gun accidents in the US in 2018.

There were 39,404 fatal car accidents in the US in 2018.


Gun accident data acquired from this page:

NRA-ILA | Gun Safety

Find the answer to many of your FAQs here including information on Universal Background Checks, "Assault Weapons", and conceal carry.

www.nraila.org

Car accident data acquired from this page (I downloaded the data table to get the specific number for 2018):

Historical Car Crash Deaths and Rates - Injury Facts

Between 1913 and 2022, the number of motor-vehicle deaths in the United States increased 996%, from 4,200 deaths in 1913 to 46,027 in 2022.

injuryfacts.nsc.org

I guess I should have read lower on the NRA page. They had car accident numbers there too. But since I already looked up the other car accident numbers I guess I'll leave it like it is.

Your figures are wrong. Gun deaths are many times the figures you quote.

 

[Open Bolt]

i dont think they are bothered by common sense arguments. They just like guns.

Any time I hear the term "common sense" invoked, it is always someone wanting to violate people's civil liberties.

No thank you. I'll pass on the civil liberties violations.

Your figures are wrong. Gun deaths are many times the figures you quote.

Feel free to cite a credible source that gun accident numbers are any higher than what I listed.

 

[2aguy]

Your figures are wrong. Gun deaths are many times the figures you quote.

And they are still not higher than car deaths….

 

[2aguy]

Your figures are wrong. Gun deaths are many times the figures you quote.

You are trying to mix intentional criminal gun use with accidents…..

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your figures are wrong. Gun deaths are many times the figures you quote.

Accidental deaths by firearms are very low actually

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You are trying to mix intentional criminal gun use with accidents…..

Yup even mixing in murder and suicide the numbers are smaller then car deaths,