Two Examples of Why Trumps Wall Can Work, Be Built Quickly and Cheaply

[pwjohn]

CNN Fact Check: Illegal border crossings at lowest levels in 40 years - CNNPolitics.com

Here's some stuff that isnt ancient history....

Illegal immigrant children, non-Mexicans surge across U.S. Southwest border at record rate

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/u...-year-to-fight-surge-in-border-crossings.html

Senator: Record number of unaccompanied minors set to flood southern border

Yeah, so. Their numbers are still way down from years past when apprehensions were numbering in the hundreds of thousands, per month.

Way way down...... But these unaccompanied children from CA countries are pissing off my buddies at ICE.....

There's not much we can do about it except take them in. But predictions are just that. Predictions are not yet fact.

Send them home.

Let em stay.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yeah, working Middle Class Native born American citizens are just so much commodity today, in the view of the Establishment. And to excuse and justify their incompetence at securing our nation they spread the flagrant lie that a wall cannot work, and would cost too much anyway.

Here is proof it can work, be put up fast, and wont cost nearly as much as the social services and lost taxes of black market labor.

Is Trump Wrong About A Border Wall? One Stunning Chart Has The Answer

Hungary was a popular pathway for refugees on their way to Germany during the fall. When the daily illegal border crossings were at 7,000 per day, Prime Minister Viktor Orban decided to erect a fence along the border to Serbia and Croatia.

When the fence went up Oct. 17, the influx went down to 870 from 6,353 only a day earlier. Illegal border crossing were steadily below 40 per day throughout the rest of the month. The number picked up slightly in February, after migrants destroyed part of the fence, but it remains in the low hundreds.

IMO only one thing that will work long term, go after the employers and prosecute the illegals using false IDs.

Obviously the wall alone isnt going to work.
And to tell you the truth it would be easier to just stop supporting illegals in anyway,and as you said make it financially unwise to hire them.

Yeah, I think as long as the jobs are there people will find a way. Border security is certainly a must but not an end all. Same old story if we would just enforce our laws.

A physical wall isnt really necessary if you put the manpower and tech on the border,which needs to be done to stop drug trafficking and possible terrorist incursions as well as illegals.

Any fence or wall can be breached with a tunnel or extension ladder if it is unguarded

So the challenge is that we need to guard the 2000 miles of fence in addition to building it. Our biggest impediment to crossing is not a physical barrier, but vast expanses of desert that must be crossed. Aircraft, drones, cameras and sensors can pick up when someone is crossing that empty land and border agents can be sent to intercept

I could actually see a small fence with sensors that would alert the BP if someone tried to scale it.
That coupled with tunneling sensors would make for a pretty secure border.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Here's some stuff that isnt ancient history....

Illegal immigrant children, non-Mexicans surge across U.S. Southwest border at record rate

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/u...-year-to-fight-surge-in-border-crossings.html

Senator: Record number of unaccompanied minors set to flood southern border

Yeah, so. Their numbers are still way down from years past when apprehensions were numbering in the hundreds of thousands, per month.

Way way down...... But these unaccompanied children from CA countries are pissing off my buddies at ICE.....

There's not much we can do about it except take them in. But predictions are just that. Predictions are not yet fact.

Send them home.

Let em stay.

At your house?

 

[pwjohn]

Yeah, so. Their numbers are still way down from years past when apprehensions were numbering in the hundreds of thousands, per month.

Way way down...... But these unaccompanied children from CA countries are pissing off my buddies at ICE.....

There's not much we can do about it except take them in. But predictions are just that. Predictions are not yet fact.

Send them home.

Let em stay.

At your house?

They work hard enough to provide for themselves. Including a place to live.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Way way down...... But these unaccompanied children from CA countries are pissing off my buddies at ICE.....

There's not much we can do about it except take them in. But predictions are just that. Predictions are not yet fact.

Send them home.

Let em stay.

At your house?

They work hard enough to provide for themselves. Including a place to live.

They can do that in mexico.

 

[pwjohn]

There's not much we can do about it except take them in. But predictions are just that. Predictions are not yet fact.

Send them home.

Let em stay.

At your house?

They work hard enough to provide for themselves. Including a place to live.

They can do that in mexico.

Why bother when they're already doing it here.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Send them home.

Let em stay.

At your house?

They work hard enough to provide for themselves. Including a place to live.

They can do that in mexico.

Why bother when they're already doing it here.

Because they arent citizens of the United States...derp.

 

[pwjohn]

Let em stay.

At your house?

They work hard enough to provide for themselves. Including a place to live.

They can do that in mexico.

Why bother when they're already doing it here.

Because they arent citizens of the United States...derp.

I don't think any less of them, than I do you.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

At your house?

They work hard enough to provide for themselves. Including a place to live.

They can do that in mexico.

Why bother when they're already doing it here.

Because they arent citizens of the United States...derp.

I don't think any less of them, than I do you.

I wont fall for your trickery.....

 

[rightwinger]

Any wall can be breached and half of illegal immigrants crossed legally and overstayed their Visas

Why do Mexicans stay? Because it is too difficult to go back and forth

For hundreds of years, Mexicans freely crossed our border to work and then returned home when the job was over. Once we set up barriers to returning, they just would stay

Temporary work visas are more effective than walls

 

[pwjohn]

They work hard enough to provide for themselves. Including a place to live.

They can do that in mexico.

Why bother when they're already doing it here.

Because they arent citizens of the United States...derp.

I don't think any less of them, than I do you.

I wont fall for your trickery.....

Don't forget witchcraft and that voodoo shit.

 

[Correll]

Yeah, working Middle Class Native born American citizens are just so much commodity today, in the view of the Establishment. And to excuse and justify their incompetence at securing our nation they spread the flagrant lie that a wall cannot work, and would cost too much anyway.

Here is proof it can work, be put up fast, and wont cost nearly as much as the social services and lost taxes of black market labor.

Is Trump Wrong About A Border Wall? One Stunning Chart Has The Answer

Hungary was a popular pathway for refugees on their way to Germany during the fall. When the daily illegal border crossings were at 7,000 per day, Prime Minister Viktor Orban decided to erect a fence along the border to Serbia and Croatia.

When the fence went up Oct. 17, the influx went down to 870 from 6,353 only a day earlier. Illegal border crossing were steadily below 40 per day throughout the rest of the month. The number picked up slightly in February, after migrants destroyed part of the fence, but it remains in the low hundreds.

IMO only one thing that will work long term, go after the employers and prosecute the illegals using false IDs.

Obviously the wall alone isnt going to work.
And to tell you the truth it would be easier to just stop supporting illegals in anyway,and as you said make it financially unwise to hire them.

Yeah, I think as long as the jobs are there people will find a way. Border security is certainly a must but not an end all. Same old story if we would just enforce our laws.

A physical wall isnt really necessary if you put the manpower and tech on the border,which needs to be done to stop drug trafficking and possible terrorist incursions as well as illegals.

Any fence or wall can be breached with a tunnel or extension ladder if it is unguarded

So the challenge is that we need to guard the 2000 miles of fence in addition to building it. Our biggest impediment to crossing is not a physical barrier, but vast expanses of desert that must be crossed. Aircraft, drones, cameras and sensors can pick up when someone is crossing that empty land and border agents can be sent to intercept

Some portions of the border have vast expanses of desert, others not, see El Paso/Ciudad Juarez for example.

Some portions of the wall will need guards, others not so much (see vast expanses of desert).

Some portions of the wall could have aircraft, drones, cameras and sensors to pick up when someone is crossing and border agents can be sent to intercept.

 

[Correll]

Any wall can be breached and half of illegal immigrants crossed legally and overstayed their Visas

Why do Mexicans stay? Because it is too difficult to go back and forth

For hundreds of years, Mexicans freely crossed our border to work and then returned home when the job was over. Once we set up barriers to returning, they just would stay

Temporary work visas are more effective than walls

Curtailing those VIsas so they can't get here in the first place to overstay seems one obvious answer.

As of course E-verify to prevent them from getting jobs.

 

[Correll]

Here's some stuff that isnt ancient history....

Illegal immigrant children, non-Mexicans surge across U.S. Southwest border at record rate

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/u...-year-to-fight-surge-in-border-crossings.html

Senator: Record number of unaccompanied minors set to flood southern border

Yeah, so. Their numbers are still way down from years past when apprehensions were numbering in the hundreds of thousands, per month.

Way way down...... But these unaccompanied children from CA countries are pissing off my buddies at ICE.....

There's not much we can do about it except take them in. But predictions are just that. Predictions are not yet fact.

Send them home.

Let em stay.

You said there was not other options other than letting them in. Sending them home is an option and thus your previous claim was wrong.

We do have at least one other option, and it is hard to credit that you were unaware of that option.

 

[Correll]

At your house?

They work hard enough to provide for themselves. Including a place to live.

They can do that in mexico.

Why bother when they're already doing it here.

Because they arent citizens of the United States...derp.

I don't think any less of them, than I do you.

"Less than"?

What does that have to do with the topic?

It is not whether they are "less than" anyone.

The point is that they are not wanted here, and they are a negative for the interests of the American Population.

Send them home.

 

[JimBowie1958]

There's not much we can do about it except take them in.

Typical liberal 'All We Can Do IS Let Them Win' rhetoric.

It is enough to make one wonder how any white male liberals still have the will to breath.

 

[rightwinger]

IMO only one thing that will work long term, go after the employers and prosecute the illegals using false IDs.

Obviously the wall alone isnt going to work.
And to tell you the truth it would be easier to just stop supporting illegals in anyway,and as you said make it financially unwise to hire them.

Yeah, I think as long as the jobs are there people will find a way. Border security is certainly a must but not an end all. Same old story if we would just enforce our laws.

A physical wall isnt really necessary if you put the manpower and tech on the border,which needs to be done to stop drug trafficking and possible terrorist incursions as well as illegals.

Any fence or wall can be breached with a tunnel or extension ladder if it is unguarded

So the challenge is that we need to guard the 2000 miles of fence in addition to building it. Our biggest impediment to crossing is not a physical barrier, but vast expanses of desert that must be crossed. Aircraft, drones, cameras and sensors can pick up when someone is crossing that empty land and border agents can be sent to intercept

Some portions of the border have vast expanses of desert, others not, see El Paso/Ciudad Juarez for example.

Some portions of the wall will need guards, others not so much (see vast expanses of desert).

Some portions of the wall could have aircraft, drones, cameras and sensors to pick up when someone is crossing and border agents can be sent to intercept.

That is basically what we are doing today. We build walls in Juarez or Nogales. Areas where you have miles of desert to cross have just a barbed wire fence. Easy to cross but once you do, sensors and aircraft will detect your presence and the border patrol will be sent

 

[rightwinger]

Any wall can be breached and half of illegal immigrants crossed legally and overstayed their Visas

Why do Mexicans stay? Because it is too difficult to go back and forth

For hundreds of years, Mexicans freely crossed our border to work and then returned home when the job was over. Once we set up barriers to returning, they just would stay

Temporary work visas are more effective than walls

Curtailing those VIsas so they can't get here in the first place to overstay seems one obvious answer.

As of course E-verify to prevent them from getting jobs.

I agree

We still need Mexican immigrants. Lets make them legal and give them a temporary work visa. Force employers to e-verify. If they don't throw the employer in jail

Jobs dry up, those border crossings are not worth it

 

[Correll]

Obviously the wall alone isnt going to work.
And to tell you the truth it would be easier to just stop supporting illegals in anyway,and as you said make it financially unwise to hire them.

Yeah, I think as long as the jobs are there people will find a way. Border security is certainly a must but not an end all. Same old story if we would just enforce our laws.

A physical wall isnt really necessary if you put the manpower and tech on the border,which needs to be done to stop drug trafficking and possible terrorist incursions as well as illegals.

Any fence or wall can be breached with a tunnel or extension ladder if it is unguarded

So the challenge is that we need to guard the 2000 miles of fence in addition to building it. Our biggest impediment to crossing is not a physical barrier, but vast expanses of desert that must be crossed. Aircraft, drones, cameras and sensors can pick up when someone is crossing that empty land and border agents can be sent to intercept

Some portions of the border have vast expanses of desert, others not, see El Paso/Ciudad Juarez for example.

Some portions of the wall will need guards, others not so much (see vast expanses of desert).

Some portions of the wall could have aircraft, drones, cameras and sensors to pick up when someone is crossing and border agents can be sent to intercept.

That is basically what we are doing today. We build walls in Juarez or Nogales. Areas where you have miles of desert to cross have just a barbed wire fence. Easy to cross but once you do, sensors and aircraft will detect your presence and the border patrol will be sent

We don't seem to be doing it well, as per the millions and millions of illegals that have crossed the border.

 

[Correll]

Any wall can be breached and half of illegal immigrants crossed legally and overstayed their Visas

Why do Mexicans stay? Because it is too difficult to go back and forth

For hundreds of years, Mexicans freely crossed our border to work and then returned home when the job was over. Once we set up barriers to returning, they just would stay

Temporary work visas are more effective than walls

Curtailing those VIsas so they can't get here in the first place to overstay seems one obvious answer.

As of course E-verify to prevent them from getting jobs.

I agree

We still need Mexican immigrants. Lets make them legal and give them a temporary work visa. Force employers to e-verify. If they don't throw the employer in jail

Jobs dry up, those border crossings are not worth it

We don't need them. Or at most we need very few of them.

Do NOT give them termporary work visa.

Do force employers to e-verify.

If they don't throw the employer is jail.

The employer, if he wants to fill those openings, might have to raise wages to find someone to do the work.

That is a win for America. And Americas.